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Shirotsume

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Spring is the new fall of release dates. Everything is either March/April or Sept/Nov for the big games.
 

Antimatter

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Links awakening is probabaly my most looked forward to nintendo game this year. Loved the GB game as a kid.
 

Karnath

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I'm really looking forward to the Final Fantasy 8 Remaster, as well as the Final Fantasy 7 Remake.
 

Antimatter

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The fact that FF7's remake is going to take multiple games and even more time for resolution isn't really playing too well with me. I'm tempted to just hold off on it and pick it up once all is said and done.

FF8's on the other hand, i'm all over that one day 1 unless it has some game breaking bugs or something. I'm a huge fan of that game, flaws and all, and would love to replay it.
 
The fact that FF7's remake is going to take multiple games and even more time for resolution isn't really playing too well with me. I'm tempted to just hold off on it and pick it up once all is said and done.

FF8's on the other hand, i'm all over that one day 1 unless it has some game breaking bugs or something. I'm a huge fan of that game, flaws and all, and would love to replay it.
We don't actually know that about the FF 7 remake.

It was originally announced that way, but fan backlash may have actually changed those plants. It doesn't seem like it's actually going to be released episodically anymore. There hasn't been any mention of anything like that in a while. That seems deliberate.

The episodic release seems to have been abandoned at this point, but that's not confirmed either.

I've heard speculation that it may be getting split into two parts rather than several. That makes sense as FFVII has a natural halfway point at the end of Disk One. Disks Two and Three are both shorter.

In fact, they made it sound like it might actually all be in one release. They mentioned the game would take up 2 Blu-ray Disks.

On the other hand, Square is deliberately dodging questions about it. They're saying they don't want to talk too much about it yet to anyone who asks.

It's probably not going to come out next year from the sound of things. Maybe as a holiday release if it's the first half.

At this point, I don't think even Square knows, but I think the episodic plan was scrapped either for a full release or two part release.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
I'll just wait for the PS5 Final Fantasy 7.5 Remake HD Remix ~A Scattered Consciousness~ Anthology Collection.
 

Antimatter

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We don't actually know that about the FF 7 remake.

It was originally announced that way, but fan backlash may have actually changed those plants. It doesn't seem like it's actually going to be released episodically anymore. There hasn't been any mention of anything like that in a while. That seems deliberate.

The episodic release seems to have been abandoned at this point, but that's not confirmed either.

I've heard speculation that it may be getting split into two parts rather than several. That makes sense as FFVII has a natural halfway point at the end of Disk One. Disks Two and Three are both shorter.

In fact, they made it sound like it might actually all be in one release. They mentioned the game would take up 2 Blu-ray Disks.

On the other hand, Square is deliberately dodging questions about it. They're saying they don't want to talk too much about it yet to anyone who asks.

It's probably not going to come out next year from the sound of things. Maybe as a holiday release if it's the first half.

At this point, I don't think even Square knows, but I think the episodic plan was scrapped either for a full release or two part release.
From the way they talked about it at E3, the first game is basically just midgard or related. They mention not knowing just how many games the series will be in the end due to the added material.

They talk about that here.


I don't think we'll see the end of this new series for several years now. I can see it easily being a trilogy or better.
 

Karnath

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It does look like there is more to the story though, one part shows Cloud fighting on a bike with Jessie riding behind. The first time Cloud rides a bike in the original game Jessie is already dead.
 
From the way they talked about it at E3, the first game is basically just midgard or related. They mention not knowing just how many games the series will be in the end due to the added material.

They talk about that here.


I don't think we'll see the end of this new series for several years now. I can see it easily being a trilogy or better.
Maybe, but we don't know. Square is being tight lipped about it and refuses to mention anything about it being episodic anymore.

The only thing I'm sure of is that they are currently avoiding the subject.

Like I said, there was a fair amount of fan backlash to the idea, and they may have backtracked on it. We aren't sure, and I have my doubts even they know how it will be released at this point.

Kotaku is a political blog pretending to be games journalism. They frequently fuck up information like this and often talk out their asses about things they clearly know nothing about. Their editing staff has no concept of fact checking. I have no respect for them as a publication, and don't trust anything they publish. In fact, I feel a little dirty about giving them a page view by checking that link you posted.

First of all, that article is flat out wrong about Midigard being 5-10% of the original game.

Midigard is roughly the first half of Final Fantasy VII. You leave at the end of Disk 1.

Disk 2 and 3 together are actually only slightly more information than what is on Disk 1 believe it or not. Neither of the latter two disks is anywhere near full. What is on those two disks is actually only slightly more than what would fit on one disk. Disk 1 uses nearly all the available space on the disk.

All of Final Fantasy VII is roughly 45 hours of game if you're just doing the main quest and a few side quests, maybe 75 if you're going for 100%. You leave Midigard and end Disk 1 at around 20 hours in.

Yes, it is possible to put a hundred hours into the game, but that's not normal. Most people will finish it in somewhere around 45 to 75 hours.

The reason the other disks seem like more of the game percentage wise than they are is because that's where most of the side activities are and it pads things out a bit. Things like Chocobo breeding, racing, the mini games at the Golden Saucer, etc, all that stuff is on the second disk. The third is mostly endgame stuff.

Also, the fact that there is an overworld and the environments are more varied contributes to the latter part feeling "bigger" when it is actually only slightly so. You spend a lot of time going from place to place in the latter part of the game, where as Midigard is a fairly centralized location that uses a hub and most areas within it look visually similar.

The first part of the Final Fantasy VII remake being the Midigard segment fits with what I said and actually suggests that it being a two part game is plausible.
 
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A three part would make more sense to me.
It's possible, but I have my doubts.

They'd have to add a lot more than you'd think to the latter part of the game to do that if the releases are roughly equivalent size.

Yes, the are adding content, but they'd pretty much have to add way more to the latter part of the game to really stretch it out.

Seriously, disk two and three together aren't that much more than what is on disk one. It just seems like more than it is because of how the content is structured, and because that's where a lot of the time sink side stuff is at.

You spend a lot more time going from place to place in the latter part of the game, and the mini games are a bit grindy if you want to get everything. Finding rare chocobos and training them takes a lot of time, but isn't really that big a part of the game and is entirely optional.

The only way I see this being more than two parts is if the second part and beyond are much shorter segments than part one. That, or they are going to have to add a ton of content to stretch it out.

That's possible, but the release would be more like 1/2 the game in part one if they're doing disk 1's content as the first part, then 1/4, and 1/4 after that to make it three parts. That makes less sense to me, as there really isn't a good halfway point I can think of on disk 2.

Honestly, my time estimates are pretty generous in my previous posts.

Disk one takes more than fifteen hours, but less than twenty if you do a normal playthrough. 20 hours assumes you do a bit of grinding to make the latter part a bit easier.

If you aren't heavy into the side stuff, Disk 2 really only takes about 10-12 hours.

Disk 3 in the original release is nearly empty. It's basically just the end of the game and nothing else, it's less than 4 hours of content.
 
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Antimatter

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https://www.speedrun.com/ff7#PSX_Disc

Wow, speedrun for any% no slots (no cat sith slots that is) is like 7 hours and some change. The ps1 FF games are actually very short if you don't dilly daddle. All that sidequest stuff, cut content, etc are things I can easily see S-E padding out for the remake, ditto for adding in story bits from Crisis core, Before crisis, the movie and so on. The mythos for the game have expanded a heck of a lot since the original release.

Not to mention working with feedback from FF15's disaster of a scenario, ditto for FF13's. Both had massive cut content and felt like partial games.

As for the article, it literally quotes S-E, which was the point. the quote is the same everywhere you look, that was just the first google hit for it.
 

Antimatter

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On an unrelated note, Bloodstained showed off the special Kojima art that will be used for the $100+ tier slipcases, as well as a new poster included in those tiers.

It's pretty lit.


And naturally the comments are filled with people still biching about the swordwhip DLC and now about how the PC players are the only true 'collectors edition' as their physical copies are being delayed till all the patches and DLC are out. Int he meantime they get a steam code.

Some are crying foul saying they woudl have preferred the console ones delayed as well. The problem is console logistics don't allow for that. Multiple pressings were not going to happen, and there is no way the consoles would generate temp keys like that.

You'd think console players woudl be used to this by know given how few to none of my physical console games are complete, outside of years later GoTY editions.
 
On an unrelated note, Bloodstained showed off the special Kojima art that will be used for the $100+ tier slipcases, as well as a new poster included in those tiers.

It's pretty lit.


And naturally the comments are filled with people still biching about the swordwhip DLC and now about how the PC players are the only true 'collectors edition' as their physical copies are being delayed till all the patches and DLC are out. Int he meantime they get a steam code.

Some are crying foul saying they woudl have preferred the console ones delayed as well. The problem is console logistics don't allow for that. Multiple pressings were not going to happen, and there is no way the consoles would generate temp keys like that.

You'd think console players woudl be used to this by know given how few to none of my physical console games are complete, outside of years later GoTY editions.
Gamers are like old people at restaurants.

They will find anything they can to bitch about in the hopes that someone will give them free shit.
 

Antimatter

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Gamers are like old people at restaurants.

They will find anything they can to bitch about in the hopes that someone will give them free shit.
It's hilarious. Some dude covered the page in a curse filled rant where he claims that Iga = Inafune and not having 100% of all DLC on disk for backers means they lied.

It's a circle jerk of 'I don't like thing!". I love it.
 
First of all, that article is flat out wrong about Midigard being 5-10% of the original game.

Midigard is roughly the first half of Final Fantasy VII. You leave at the end of Disk 1.


Disk 2 and 3 together are actually only slightly more information than what is on Disk 1 believe it or not. Neither of the latter two disks is anywhere near full. What is on those two disks is actually only slightly more than what would fit on one disk. Disk 1 uses nearly all the available space on the disk.

All of Final Fantasy VII is roughly 45 hours of game if you're just doing the main quest and a few side quests, maybe 75 if you're going for 100%. You leave Midigard and end Disk 1 at around 20 hours in.

Yes, it is possible to put a hundred hours into the game, but that's not normal. Most people will finish it in somewhere around 45 to 75 hours.

The reason the other disks seem like more of the game percentage wise than they are is because that's where most of the side activities are and it pads things out a bit. Things like Chocobo breeding, racing, the mini games at the Golden Saucer, etc, all that stuff is on the second disk. The third is mostly endgame stuff.

Also, the fact that there is an overworld and the environments are more varied contributes to the latter part feeling "bigger" when it is actually only slightly so. You spend a lot of time going from place to place in the latter part of the game, where as Midigard is a fairly centralized location that uses a hub and most areas within it look visually similar.

The first part of the Final Fantasy VII remake being the Midigard segment fits with what I said and actually suggests that it being a two part game is plausible.
I think you need to replay FF7 if you believe the bold point. You leave Midgar several hours into the game, but nowhere near the end of disc 1. Disc 1 ends after the fight against Jenova-LIFE and Aeris' funeral. Disc 2 ends after the battle in Midgar when you return and parachute into the city, and disc 3 is basically just the final dungeon and sidequests. You're right about disc 2 and 3 being mostly filled up with cutscenes. I've actually read that the entire game is on all three discs, the only difference being which FMVs are on each disc.
 
I think you need to replay FF7 if you believe the bold point. You leave Midgar several hours into the game, but nowhere near the end of disc 1. Disc 1 ends after the fight against Jenova-LIFE and Aeris' funeral. Disc 2 ends after the battle in Midgar when you return and parachute into the city, and disc 3 is basically just the final dungeon and sidequests. You're right about disc 2 and 3 being mostly filled up with cutscenes. I've actually read that the entire game is on all three discs, the only difference being which FMVs are on each disc.
Damn. This is right.

I was thinking a lot more of the disk was in Midgar. I think part of why I thought that was because a lot of the areas on disk 1 use a lot of the same assets, the reactor areas, the prison, etc...

Disk 2 does go back to Midgar, but a lot more of the areas look more distinctive.

It's still way, way more than 5-10% of the game, and easily at least a quarter of it. I still think you spend about half the game actually in Midgar, but the time you spend there is more broken up than I remember.

Most of the areas you go to after leaving Midigar are much smaller than anything in Midgar, several areas, like Corel Prison, take less than ten minutes if you aren't dicking about.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
According a thousand people polled, it usually takes between 40-60 hours to beat FFVII, with the median being 50h which makes me happy.

Of that, it looks like Midgar usually takes somewhere between 3-5 hours, so saying 5-10% seems accurate.
 
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