A generic rant.

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#26
Yes... but many of those infants die and if India continues to raise it's population like this, i can see dark clouds on the horizont.

Cheep labor and loose legislation is tempting but only up to a point, and i doubt that after a point the western countryes will allow for India's share to grow.

After all it would mean less for them. :sweat:

As for China, i knew about that policy btu even so given the fact that many families want baby boys, a huge number of infants end up abandoned. :(
 

SimmyC

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#27
Yes. And this creates another problem for China. More boys than girls.

Now, what will millions of horny men going to do once they reach that certain age? Especially when the government can afford more guns. <_<
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#28
SimmyC said:
Yes. And this creates another problem for China. More boys than girls.

Now, what will millions of horny men going to do once they reach that certain age? Especially when the government can afford more guns.? <_<
Why am i getting the impression that we'll face another period of plundering?

Women, goods and money...

And seeing that many countryes around there have nukes, the fact that for the chinese one million or more don't matter too much... we can already see the results.
 

Legacy|iB

Well-Known Member
#29
Yah - the whole one child policy forces most families to want boys. Due to this, there are no girls for those boys, and they'd eventually grow up wanting some. Then they join the military. What do you get? Over a million horny and lonesome Chinese soldiers with nothing, other than to serve their country.

Combine that with China's rapidly growing economy (AKA - more money to develop weapons), you've pretty much got the most powerful military force in history developing right now.

That's a how a friend described it to me at least.
 

toraneko

Well-Known Member
#30
Even without all the economic problems, I don't really mind independant women.

It's the ones who feel compelled to demonstrate their independance on me that I can't stand.

Example: I, like many men from the South US, was raised by my mother to believe that it is gentlemanly and a show of good manners to hold a door open for women. Thus, one day at college when I did so for a female student.
My reward for this courtesy was a slap in the face and a rant from her about how I was a "sexist pig" and that she was "perfectly capable of opening the damn door herself!"
Nevermind the fact that I had also held the door for the young man who came before her. Common courtesy, after all.

I still feel I should have slapped her right back, in the name of "equal treatment".
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#31
Combine that with China's rapidly growing economy (AKA - more money to develop weapons), you've pretty much got the most powerful military force in history developing right now.
Unfortunatly for the chines their economy is based heavily on forgeries. Take that away... and you have the biggest crash in history. And if one peg falls down, the other fallow.

I still feel I should have slapped her right back, in the name of "equal treatment"
Don't remind me. :sweat:
 

Terdwilicker

Well-Known Member
#32
I have some "good" news then. The troubles of overpopulation are going to be controlled by Nature. There's no magic involved, just economics and something called "Limits To Growth".

Most of the food in the world is grown using fertilizer and pesticides made from natural gas and petroleum products. Oil is currently $77/bbl. The price will keep going up, driving up the cost of producing food. There is a catch, however. The oil is running out, worldwide. There is a lot of debate about when production will peak, however there's plenty of information to prove it will peak... last year. Following the peak of oil production there is a plateau, where production shifts around a little, then declines rather firmly and irrevocably... down. Oil is a product that everybody needs. It provides the energy of modern society. There is NO REPLACEMENT FOR OIL. Nuclear power takes 10 years to build a plant safely. Coal is dirty and not dense enough to power cars or delivery trucks, and converting it to fuel takes even more energy. Natural gas is running out worldwide. North America nearly ran out last fall, thankfully a warm winter prevented crashes like what happened in the UK. Europe and the UK get their natural gas imported from Russia, whose natural gas lines run through the Ukraine, where fighting over energy costs had the lines shut down several times last winter. The UK lost gas pressure due to stealing by Germany and Poland last year.

What does this mean? Well, bad things. Really bad things. Right now we have a BEST case scenario. Prices for fuel are high, but not sprialling out of control, which they'll do once more oil fields decline. Two of the 3 biggest fields are already openly in decline. There are no more magic oilfields to replace them. And even if there were, the next biggest reasonable oilfield would only last 14 days of current oil use. That's all. Since natural gas is used to make fertilizer to grow food, and natural gas is running out, there will be less food to eat when farmers have to convert to organic methods. Yields are lower for years as they re-learn to grow food the old way. There will also be problems getting fuel for the tractors, eventually.

If something bad happens in the Middle East, say a war involving Iran, there is a chance they'll hit the Persian Gulf oil terminals and shut off something like 30% of world oil supply. Even though it would only be a temporary shutdown you could easily see the price of fuel double in days, and double again a week later. The real price of fuel that the average person is willing to pay, to get to work and pay the rent, is somewhere around $12/gallon. A few estimates put it higher, around $17/gal. This prices the fuel well beyond the ability of poor countries, like China and India, to pay. Without fuel to run their vehicles, powerplants, food deliveries, there is an economic crash. Without cheap fertilizer and diesel to run the tractors, food crop yields will be low and again, prices will rise, possibly well beyond the ability of China and India to pay for it, plus there's a simple limit to how much there is to go around. Most of the grain used to feed China and India comes from the USA's grain-belt. The USA has already shown a willingness to save itself first.... so you do the math. The USA will eat, China and India, despite being trading partners, will starve. No civilization is more than 3 meals from rebellion. Oh, and just how many people rely on modern nitrogen feritilizer grown foods? Around 2 billion.

So, the troubles of China and India are just beginning. They're going to regret their large populations. I worry about Japan being invaded, but they're going to be hurting too and if they don't have anything to eat either, maybe Japan won't be invaded by Chinese seeking food (and women).

Sorry to be so depressing. Enjoy your lives and comforts while you can.
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#33
I'm well aware of that fact, that's why i was making references to the share each country has.

It's a naturall fact: Race for resources, but here some countryes have a huge lead while others will most likely have to force their way.

We'll be out of oil in 30-50 years...

What then?
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#34
There is a replacement for oil. We just haven't developed them yet. <_<

And again, you mentioned peak oil and so forth, it is STILL debatable. The truth is, a lot of places still have tons of oil (off the coast of California, Gulf Coast, Alaska, ANWR debate, and oil shale in Wyoming and Canada), we just have been stopped (envirommentlist) to get them, or, even with oil at $77 a gallon, economically unfeasable still (oil shale).

As for global overpopulation, in many ways, this is still a myth. You could fit 6 billion people in Texas for example if we really wanted too, and still have enough room to play gulf. As for resources like food and water, well, if we built desalinization plants, build nuclear power, and uses the remaining land for food production, viola, enough to feed even that population.

The reason why we have widespread famine in Africa is due to corrupt dictatorship governments. I mean, how do you keep yourself in power? With this little thing of control of the food supply. Give your supporters the food, and deprive your opposition. After all, your opposition can't fight back if they are starving to death.

Zimbabwe is also an example of, racisim caused famine. To reverse the years of white oppression, the Zimbabwe government under the rule of Mugabe, took white owned land and gave them to <s>poor black</s> powerful supporters of him. Problem is, none of these new owners knew how to farm. Guess what happened?

Africa would be in much better shape if they had better infrastructure and a much better methods of farming. Of course to get that, you have to have goverments that give a damn. What we have there now, not doing it.

Oh, and if we are truly running out of land to farm, why are European and American farmers subsidized? Problem isn't food, but distribution.
 

runestar

Well-Known Member
#35
While I have no doubt that a thread will surely be derailed at some point or another(it now seems necessary, not just expected), the direction it takes still tends to amaze me sometimes. :lol:

Now, lets continue precipitating the impending demise of the world as we know it. :p

What then?
Maybe then, more people will stay at home and write fanfiction. <_< Which can be both a blessing and a curse...
 

BlackSun

Well-Known Member
#36
Now, lets continue precipitating the impending demise of the world as we know it.? :p
Or we could begin thinking of fic ideas involving the demise of the worlds of Love Hina, Ranma, etc... and each cast reaction to it.

I think I didn't make much sense, but I'm too sleepy to care.
 

Alzrius

Well-Known Member
#37
GenocideHeart said:
The problem with your theory is that in the majority of cases there's no taming - even after a steady relationshiop begins, the man always ends up being whipped buy the woman.
I disagree.

The question of whether or not the guy is "taming" her by wearing her down over time, or just taking her abuse again and again until she's convinced he's not a threat is a debate that's hard to resolve. That said, I think the actual process is less important than the end result that the manga conveys. It's less important how the guy gets the girl; only that he does. It's wish-fulfillment for guys who empathize with the protagonist; they too can be this everyman who gets a gorgeous woman on their arm, and thus feel like a million yen.

In a lot of cases (such as, I think, Love Hina), the author tries to present a situation of the guy having his cake and eating it too. Keitaro obviously isn't the sort of guy who'd ever deliberately try to get a beautiful woman hanging off of his arm just to feel good about himself; it just happens to end up that way for him. In essence, instead of having to choose whether to be good, or get the goods, he gets both.

Few mainstream, uber-popular manga will ever deliberately portray the guy actively trying to bring a haughty woman down so he can claim her; I think that's a tad bit too sexist, despite Japan's stereotypes. However, that doesn't mean that things don't end up that way anyway.
 

Terdwilicker

Well-Known Member
#38
The trouble with Peak Oil isn't that there's 30 more years of oil (probably not nearly that much) but that production declines while growth still wants to go UP, which drives the price sky high in a battle over a limited resource.

The other problem which isn't really addressed is that production in oil wells doesn't peak at 50% anymore. It peaks in the low 90%, usually around 92% of total, thanks to new technology and methods of extraction. And the drop of, as has been the case the North Sea, is severe and very fast, something like 15% a year. That doesn't sound like much, but its compounding at that rate a well could be empty in 5 years. With globalism, that means total world economic chaos, and that means starvation.

And NO, you can't put 6.2 billion living people in Texas, much less feed them on wishful thinking. Food takes water and petrochemicals to grow. The entire "green revolution" is based on this reality. Take out the chemicals and return to organics will take years to build up the soil enough to generate a reasonable crop. And there's a major problem with water supply, a problem that's been building in the great plains for most of a century. A century of wheat has been grown on what's called 'Fossil water'. This is a BAD THING, as it is not replaced until we have another ice age. Rain on the great plains is not enough for agriculture, which means most of it goes fallow and the grain harvest drops to a small percentage of previous. Again, 2 billion starve to death. Yes, it's very unpleasant and creepy.
 

toraneko

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#39
I think it really does have more to do with the "everyman appeal." Since Love Hina is the primary example in this thread, I'll go with that.

Keitaro's such a loser that most readers could look down at him and think, "Wow. If he can do this stuff, I bet I could, too." The later growth and subsequent "de-loserization" he undergoes also connects the reader to him - after all, no "real" character would remain the exact same after several years and many life-changing situations.
Keitaro seeks the "impossible goal" of attending Tokyo University. Through hard work, luck, etc., he makes it in.
Keitaro seeks to win the heart of Narusegawa Naru. Through persistence, luck, etc., he is able to do so.

The manga epilogue solidifies this, with other "losers" making it into ToDai, and the Hinata-sou acquiring a mythical reputation because of this.

The unifying message, and undertone to the whole series, is the idea that if you try hard enough, keep at it long enough, and stay true to yourself, you can accomplish the impossible.

That's one of those "after-school special" kind of messages that appeals to a wide audience on at least some level, and that's why it works for a popular manga.

Now, if you want to see a show more-or-less about "taming women," watch Iketeru Futari. I hate damn near everything about the show, but it exemplifies the idea.
 

Israfel

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#40
On the topic which Toraneko was addressing, another one of the things that seems to me to play a very important part in all of this is the Hinata-Sou itself. It seems like over the course of the manga it's established as a sort of magical static place where everything is charmed, nothing is harmed, and most importantly of all, nothing ever changes. The fact that it seems almost set outside of time, a place where nothing changes, seems to be the most important to them because how many people do you think would give an arm and a leg to be somewhere where they would never have to deal with...well with having to move on basically. The problem with anime (the epic ones especially) is that in them nobody ages (generally), nobody ever leaves (or if they do they are quickly retrieved or come back), and everyone is basically static, mentally, emotionally, sexually, and maturity-wise.

They never have to worry about such things as growing older, what will happen after they graduate, or the other 'characters' leaving them, generally, unlike us in the real world. but getting back to the Hinata-Sou specifically, it's always hinted at that the old inn holds magic within it's walls, the biggest example of this is the Annex debacle with Kanako, and that there's something mystical about it, not to mention the creepy old men and how the signs always seem to point you to it, as seen in the anime. If you look back you'll notice how it seems that within those walls nothing can be hurt, and nothing changes. All the major changes (such as Keitaro maturing) happen outside of its walls (with the Keitaro example, when he was away traveling with Seta) and Keitaro's great injury also only happens outside of its walls, though in real life, I somehow doubt he would be able to leap to the roof of Toudai and detach one of the simple by spinning around on it unscrewing it as if it were a plug, only to then have it fall on you, so there is some suspension of disbelief needed there.

Also, the biggest change of the show, Naru finally admitting she's in love with Keitaro, happens during the Spring Special, or on the trip to Molmol, if I remember correctly, so once again they find they need to leave the Hinata-Sou to gain any sort of progress whatsoever. The magic of the Hinata-Sou is at once a blessing and a curse, for if nothing can ever change than you can have complete confidence in everything and everyone around you and would be 'safe', but also you would never be able to see any progress within yourself or with your relations with the people around you, thus leaving you to stagnate within your 'safety'.

If I ever put up one of my LH works you'll see this belief reflected in my writing as any major changes in the characters or their relations will only happen outside of the Hinata-Sou and were anything ever to happen within it then it would have to be of epic proportions and more so I would consider the inn's magic broken because of it and the fall out from such a thing would not be pretty, real life would hit all of the residents pretty hard form that point on, imagine our little talks about LH where we apply real world logic to an anime world and you have somewhat what I picture would happen in this scenario.

There are admittedly some exceptions to this rule, the biggest is obviously the 'never aging' thing which is contradicted by the final chapter in volume 14 but I'm writing that off as time skip which I don't really count as 'aging', more like punctuated equilibrium if you ask me but whatever. The other thing people might argue is when other people such as Tsuruko or Mei (Naru's younger step-sister) come and interrupt the inn's day to day running, but if you really look at the way those visits went, did anything really change? Everyone still stayed within their preset personality types, sure Motoko may have had to fake a relationship with Keitaro which she would not normally do but she still retains the same personality without and we see little to no real development from her besides the one line where she asks him if it would really be so bad to marry her, and if I remember that correctly it happens outside of the Hinata-Sou.

I know that it's probably just because it's a story that somebody wrote and had established characters in mind and thus they would stay to their personality set, but I like to think that Akamatsu just might have had a few more reasons for the way that he did things and the parallels that he set between the 'real world' (the world outside of the Hinata-Sou) and their world (within the Hinata-Sou), so, possible mystical undertone, or just the ramblings of someone who's spent far too much time analyzing Eva and has started to bleed over to other fandoms, you decide.

Oh, and on the oil thing, well we humans abused the earth and now you better believe that someone's gonna' be payin' the Pied Piper. I think it's about time that the 'chaff be cut from the wheat' as it were and humanity purged of some of its 'weaker' elements, every other animal species on earth is strong and adapts, physically, much faster and better to their surrounding than humanity, why? Natural selection, the weak who have weak genes die of while the strong live on to breed, and thus the weak or those ill suited to survive are weeded out and do not propagate their weakness within the species.

But we humans, no we protect the weak, we treasure our weak, we glorify our weak, and our gene pool is just further and further polluted as the strong are suddenly the minority and the weak the dominant faction, suddenly it's the strongÆs duty to provide for the weak because they are unable to for themselves. Hell we even glorify those traits that make the weak weak, it's Slave morality, that's what it is, read Nietzsche and his critique of Christianity, in which he calls Christianity a slave religion due to them being the one who nursed an raised this belief of ours that it is the strongÆs duty to provide for the weak and even to imply that being strong was a bad thing and that the ideals of a weak man are noble and right.

Christianity gained the popularity and following it did because so much of the human race is weak and suddenly theyÆd found a religion which told them that they were not weak, they were selfless, that they were noble, that they were a 'better man' for being weak! All the traits of the strong it spat upon and said were vile and wrong while it lionized the traits of the weak, simply because the weak had finally found something they were good at, banding together with other weaklings and grumbling about their weakness, misery has always loved company.

Anyway, read Nietzsche, he explains this so much better than I ever could. Just know that if I ruled the world there would be a very Draconian set of laws in place and I am somewhat of a Darwinist, if you couldn't guess that by now, and to just take everything said here with a grain of salt, I don't want to be beaten with a Bible by any particularly religious people who might have been offended by this.

Also, I find it funny how two conversations, one on anime and one on oil and mass starvation, can be held simultaneously within the same thread and even overlapping between posts, this amuses me. And your original comment holds true Terdwilicker, I do have a mighty large number of opinions.

[EDIT] Here Simmy, easier to read?
 

SimmyC

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#41
Yes, you could fit 6 billion people in Texas. I didn't say this was desirable mind you (we'd be living all in skyscrapers and shoved into crowded trains), but we could. And there are the issues like desalination plants and so forth that will solve the water issue. Food? Chemicals and genetic engineering. Hell, the United States currently has too MUCH food (after all, why do you think we are fatasses?), so in reality, food isn't a problem.

And giving all our surplus to Africa isn't a solution in case you were about to say that. Since again, the corrupt governments would still be there, and they will horde the food, while the masses starve.

And Fossil water? True, if we use aquifers without recharing them, we will lose that water source. However... this goes back to the desalination plants. The only issue here is again, getting the salt out of the water in sufficient amount of quantity. Which again, requires a lot of energy. We just need the balls (and the cash) to do it.

And let's not get started on genetically modified foods (which is another way we can continue to feed a growing population). This will throw this thread even further out off topic. <_< Odd, me complaining about offtopicness. :p

And the peak oil issue is again, debatable. Hell, I remember reports that say that we should be out of oil right about, well, hell, we should be out of oil PERIOD! And I don't see a huge shift back to bicycles right now.<_< eck, there are even a few, yes a few, that believe that oil is constantly recharging themselves (pointing out that certain oil wells that were 'dry' before, suddenly find themselves with more oil).

But even if we have enough oil for 1000 years, you are right about one thing, production. Getting to it (or more likely, NOT getting to it) is why oil is $77 a barrel now. Of course OPEC in many ways might be the blame for this. After all, the high prices of oil could be attributed to the fact that, well, they are not pumping more oil becuase they said so. The other issue again, there is plenty of oil in the gulf, but because of environmetal rules, we can't get to it. Plus ANWR and plus off the California coast.

And along those lines again, it isn't that we shouldn't look for alternatives either. Problem again is, how to get these alternatives? Hydrogen, the 'leading' candidate to replace oil in cars... where are we going to get the hydrogen to make them? Ironically, it is from gas. -_- The best way would be with electrolosis but we currently don't have the capablity to produce enough for a nation of 300 million people (much less 6 billion). I would say the solution is Nuclear power, but then again, you run into the environmentalist again (and if you are anti-Nuclear power, you can argue it has its own problem). Of course, not Nuclear, we have coal, hydro electricity, solar, wind power, etc. ALL have issues (bird lovers hate wind power, solar only works when the sun is out, hydroelectricity ruins local enviornments, etc). <_<

But this is getting into a rediculous area and so I will RETURN this thread back on topic.

So, violent girls? Again, the issue we have here... why do they go for the violent girl? I know what Love Hina's underlying message is. But do you really want to try hard for a woman that anyone outside of Akamatsu's mind would call, a psychotic bitch? Trying hard enough is one thing. Trying hard enough to acquire a tard is another. <_<

And if this is the view of what women should be like in Japan, than Japan is in deep trouble. Of course, as mentioned before, with Japan losing population, well, looks like they are on that downward spiril.

[edit]Oh and Israfel... GAH!!!!!!! HUGE ASS PARAGRAPHS!!!! HARD TO READ!!! :blink:
 

GenocideHeart

Well-Known Member
#42
So, violent girls? Again, the issue we have here... why do they go for the violent girl? I know what Love Hina's underlying message is. But do you really want to try hard for a woman that anyone outside of Akamatsu's mind would call, a psychotic bitch? Trying hard enough is one thing. Trying hard enough to acquire a tard is another. dry.gif

And if this is the view of what women should be like in Japan, than Japan is in deep trouble. Of course, as mentioned before, with Japan losing population, well, looks like they are on that downward spiril.
Simmy summed my stance up. I could understand going for a gorgeous woman that DOESN'T use you as a punching bag and is at least remotely sane.

Naru isn't gorgeous IMHO, for one (that'd be Mutsumi, or Motoko, or Kitsune, or even Adult Su, but Naru ranks barely average in the attractive scale to me), and she's a total psycho worse than even Motoko. What else should I say? She's not worth pursuing when there's much better alternatives, one of which (Mutsumi) is ready to throw herself at you, and while she may be a total ditz and a walking disaster zone, she's also someone who'll never hit you just to relieve stress, which is something I totally see Naru doing, even after years of marriage.

And seriously, the woman of Keitaro's dreams was the promised girl... but if you recall, Naru was barely big enough to understand speech and talk a little, so technically, the promise was made by MUTSUMI, and Naru was just included.

So in teh end, he DIDN'T get the woman of his dreams, and instead got a violent broad who is guaranteed to keep hitting him for minor things for years to come.

My only quiestion is how long before Keitaro either snaps or files for divorce. There's no doubt in my mind that the marriage is doomed, it's only a question of time.
 

SimmyC

Well-Known Member
#43
I completely agree. Masochist or not, Keitaro and Naru's relationship will not last. I mean, how long can any one put up with what Naru puts him through? Hell, I'm surprised that he hasn't snapped already. <_<

And of course, that is one of the reasons why I wrote the first part of Brother's Keeper. Naru is still hitting Keitaro despite a few years of marriage, and even a baby on the way (which I feel sorry for if it is brought into this world with Naru as the mother). :p Granted, what will happen in the story after that might be constituted as Naru bashing quite a bit, but... well, can't say she's some innocent girl so to speak. :unsure:
 

Moshulel

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#44
And of course, that is one of the reasons why I wrote the first part of Brother's Keeper. Naru is still hitting Keitaro despite a few years of marriage, and even a baby on the way (which I feel sorry for if it is brought into this world with Naru as the mother).
This does raise a question you know... what will happen with childs from these pairings?

What life expectancy do you give for example to child born from Ranma and Akane? This could prove to be an interesting exploration, have them married with a child and then just have Akane behaving like Akane, Ranma would receive a serious wake up call and he'll realize that Akane is not the proper mother for his childs...
 

cilrais

Well-Known Member
#45
Moshulel said:
What life expectancy do you give for example to child born from Ranma and Akane? This could prove to be an interesting exploration, have them married with a child and then just have Akane behaving like Akane, Ranma would receive a serious wake up call and he'll realize that Akane is not the proper mother for his childs...
I do recall reading a fic about akane killing her child and being in an insane asylum... not exactly my cup of tea.
 

runestar

Well-Known Member
#46
I am guessing the child will end up resembling one of the parents, perhaps meek like Ranma, or more shrewish like the mother.

Do you think the sex of the child will matter? Perhaps if the child is a female, the mother might see fit to "educate" her on how she should deal with men, and if said child was a male... :huh:
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#47
I do recall reading a fic about akane killing her child and being in an insane asylum... not exactly my cup of tea.
I don't know why, but that thing does strike me as something Akane would do... :sweat:
 

toraneko

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#48
Yikes. I'm going to ignore the whole "child-killing" portion and go back to the "violent bitches" part.

I may try to be objective and unbiased in my analysis of characters, but I don't think anything less than divine intervention will keep Naru and Keitaro together in the long run. They're too much alike in all the wrong ways, and too different to have good common ground. He reminds her of parts of herself she doesn't like to own up to.

The Ranma/Akane debate has been done to death, but I'll sum up my opinions on it:
-They're both too stubborn to ever really work.
-He's too much of a misogynistic "player", and his ego blocks most all common sense.
-She's too much of a misanthropic, can't realize the truth when it's staring her in the face, and is, all in all, a poor example of a combination of two X chromosomes.
-They will never grow up. Ever. They'll be 80+ years old, and still doing their usual bullshit.
-Takahashi is a hack who can't be bothered to bring the story to a real conclusion, despite ample opportunity.

As for the two having children... I believe it's physically impossible. Why? Because Naru's been slowly castrating the poor dumb sod since he first came to Hinata-sou. ^_^
 

GenocideHeart

Well-Known Member
#49
toraneko said:
The Ranma/Akane debate has been done to death, but I'll sum up my opinions on it:
-They're both too stubborn to ever really work.
-He's too much of a misogynistic "player", and his ego blocks most all common sense.
-She's too much of a misanthropic, can't realize the truth when it's staring her in the face, and is, all in all, a poor example of a combination of two X chromosomes.
-They will never grow up. Ever. They'll be 80+ years old, and still doing their usual bullshit.
-Takahashi is a hack who can't be bothered to bring the story to a real conclusion, despite ample opportunity.
You win a million Internets. Do you want them shipped to you anonymously? :snigger:
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#50
toraneko said:
As for the two having children... I believe it's physically impossible. Why? Because Naru's been slowly castrating the poor dumb sod since he first came to Hinata-sou. ^_^
This comment also wins you several internets
 
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