Bleach A New World

nick012000

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AN: Usual disclaimers: I don't own Bleach or Exalted. I do own any original characters like Uryu's utterly normal girlfreind, but I doubt it matters much.

This story is set well after the defeat of Aizen. Ichigo's hooked up with Orihime, Nel, and Rukia and they're very happy in their polyamorous relationship. He's not entirely sure whether it was Orihime's or Nel's idea. Sado wound up with Nemu. Captain Kurotsuchi got his head blown off by Ulquorria.

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Ichigo nodded as he looked at Ishida cooking at the grill, spatula in one hand, bottle of beer in the other.

"So, this is how people cook in Australia?"

Uryu nods as he sips from the bottle, and prods the sausages a bit with the spatula.

"Not all the time, obviously, but when you get all your freinds together, yeah."

Ichigo glances around. His girls were off giggling with Nemu and Uryu's Australian fiancee. he hoped Orihime didn't get too drunk- she was on her second bottle, and with her imagination, she could be a bit unpredictable. Tatsuki was arm-wrestling Ikkaku as Yumichika looked on and Ichigo caught him making some sort of stereotypical comment about beauty.

Grimmjow takes a swig from his bottle.

"Freinds, yeah."

Renji took a swig of his.

"Just like old times, huh?"

Ichigo laughs.

"Yeah, sure. But I'm pretty sure there was less drinking and more fighting, eh , Grimmjow?"

Grimmjow flashes a predatory grin right back.

"You want to go, be my guest."

"Not right now, thanks. I don't particularly want to have to explain to my girlfreind why two of my freinds suddenly collapsed."

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Meanwhile, several dimensions away, The Dowager of the Irreverent Vulgate in Unrent Veils was pondering. More specifically, she was pondering the Well of Udr; the interdimensional portal through which she had almost destroyed Creation before those glory-grubbing fools ruined her work. The fools. Soon she'd find the Anti-Creation, and all of reality would slide into Oblivion!

She grinned as she peered into the Well, sifting through the many universes displayed as she sifted through them. A bunch of young mortals gathered around some sort of cooking machine. The fools, clinging onto their pathetic lives.

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Orihime giggled as she leaned against her green haired lover's copious chest and told the story to Uryu's girl.

"An' then I shouted, 'I REJECT!'"

With that, her hairpins split apart, the fairies drunkenly rotating about her, their intersecting feilds flickering in and out of existance.

"An' then it wen' POOF!"

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The Dowager flinched back, her Perfect Defenses activating as the Well shuddered and exploded, leaving the youths scattered about the crater where it used to be.

"Ug. 'hime, what did you just do?" the orange haired boy asked.

The Dowager felt the hissing whispers of disapproval welling up within her.

"You fools!" She shreiked in disbelieving rage. "You destroyed the Well of Udr!"

The boy had the impertinance to glare at her! Glare at her! Did he not know who she was?! The drunken little minx giggled.

"Who are you?"

"I am the Dowager of the Irreverant Vulgate in Unrent Veils! I will not be denied! I will find the Anti-Creation, and I will use it to drag the sick world into the Oblivion in which it belongs! But first, I will kill you all!"

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Ichigo looked at the strange, horned woman- spirit? - with snakes for fingers as she continued shreiking. As she began talking about destroying the world, Ichigo grabbed his substitute shinigami badge. Grasping it, his soul bursts forth of his body with a crackle of spiritual particles.

Grasping Zangetsu, Ichigo grins.

"I'd like to see you try."

"Insolent ghost! You dare challenge a Deathlord, one of the Chosen of the Neverborn themselves? I will forge your soul into a piece of furniture, and you will suffer for your insolence until the end of time!"

Ichigo's grin grows further.

"Gotta beat me first."

Whipping Zangetsu from his back, Ichigo charges the snake-fingered woman with the too-long title, his blade arcing up and crashing down through her into the rock of the floor.

"You cannot harm me, you arrogant, impertinant little snot! I will show you the true power of the Neverborn!"

Whipping the sword up, he blocks a knife-hand blow from the witch before delivering a counter-blow of his own, his eyes widening as he sees her fade from existance before his blow lands, only to return a split second later.

"A most unbeautiful conflict."

Ichigo grimaces, sliding under another strike.

"Shut up Yumichika! Busy fighting the crazy witch!"

She shrieks at that, as she unleashes a flurry of strikes Ichigo barely evades, Zangetsu flashing as he parries blow after blow.

"Mad! They call me mad! So are they! I will destroy all of you, I destroy Creation and I will destroy them along with it!"

She launches another palm strike. Ichigo decides to go for a different tactic, his blade deflecting her strike up and to the left as he spins around inside her reach, his foot rising up to strike her stomach. Or, at least it would have, if she didn't go and fade from existance again. Taking the momentum, he spins past her, his feet kicking up dust as he slides into a fighting stance.

Ichigo glances at his freinds. It looks like Uryu's girlfreind is starting to wake up.

"Ugh. What's going on? Why's Ichigo fighting a monster woman with a giant meat cleaver?"

She can seem him?

Blocking another blow, her hand guided over his head, he realizes this isn't going to work. Well, he's no expert, but it looks like it's activating some sort of active power to defend against his blows, since she actually seems to flicker out of existance for a moment.

Therefore, if he could attack fast enough that she doesn't have the opportunity to use it, he might be able to actually hurt her.

He grins, as he leaps away from another attack, lifting his Zanpakuto towards her as he summoned his spiritual energy.

"Bankai!"
 

zerohour

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#2
... I should really find out the backstory to Exalted.
 

jbcarpen

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#3
Um, the bleach crew are boned. (well, probably)

The Dowager is utterly immortal. if you kill her, she will come back even more pissed.

Oh, she also has access to attacks that are guaranteed to hit no matter how good you are (unless you are a celestial exalt with a perfect) and which are also guaranteed to cut your soul in half.
 
#4
one word: Plot. Plot solves everything. i like the idea, and i wanna see where it'll go.
 

kelenas

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#5
I'm in agreement with jbcarpen here. Taking the Bleach crew from their native universe, and immediately throwing them at one of Exalted's Big Bads for a fight is a good way to get them horribly killed, maimed, or tortured (or all three, possibly even in that precise order), or to marginalize the threat the Deathlords, as well as any comparable entities, pose to creation (and by extension pretty much the entire Exalted setting).

My advice; rethink the way the Bleach-crew is transferred to the Exalted setting, and/or have them arrive someplace where they won't immediately be confronted with someone who could wipe out a few cities just because she feels like it.
Also, keep in mind that fighting skills aren't the only thing that matters in Exalted, far from it. Unless they develop some countermeasures, they're virtually defenseless against Social-Fu and a variety of other nasty things that could happen to them (like the warping powers of the Wlyd, for example). Sheer willpower and stubbornness will only get them so far.
On that line, you might want to think of how the Bleach-powers interact with those of the Exalted setting; Orihime's "I Reject!" for example, shouldn't be the be-al-end-all of problem solvers to avoid Bad Things happening to the Bleach crew. Otherwise, it'd get rather boring.

- Kelenas
 

drakensis

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zerohour said:
... I should really find out the backstory to Exalted.
To recap the matters raised here for those not familiar with Exalted:

Deathlords are the ghosts of some of the Solar Exalted killed during the coup that broke their rule over Creation. The Deathlords gained vast power in the Underworld by pledging themselves to the Neverborn, the (mostly) dead creators of Creation, and the cause of killing all of Creation and thus freeing the Neverborn from their last ties to it.

About 770 years ago the Great Contagion killed 90% of of everything that lived. Not every human, not every animal. Everything. It would, at least according to the Dowager (who had created/obtained it through the Well of Udr), haved finished off the other ten percent as well if two of her fellow Deathlords hadn't invited the legions of the unformed out of the Wyld (the Sea of Chaos which surrounds Creation on all sides) to try to destroy what was left.

Perfect Defenses are among the greatest powers of the Exalted and as former Exalted (and the 'step-parents' of the Abyssal Exalted) the Deathlords usually have several. A perfect defense will stop anything. If a Solar is being nuked he can Heavenly Guardian Defense a parry that will by Sol Invictus block that nuke no matter how improbable it might be. The only flaw is that all Perfect Defenses have a single weakness tied to the Exalt's virtues. Exploiting these weaknesses is vitally important in high level Exalted combat.

As an aside, given that the Bleach crew's attacks are generally crafted to handle hollows and other ghosts, if Ichigo gets a hit in then the Dowager will probably be hurt. However, even if he killed her, she'd just reform beside her patron. Deathlords are bastards about that. Fortunately, that is several thousand miles away from the Well of Udr, so if anyone can take her down then they will at least have time to figure out what's going on.
 

nick012000

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I'll point out the Konso. If Ichigo (or any of the other Shinigami present) manages to hit and kill her, he wouldn't send her back to her Neverborn masters to reform. He'd send her into Lethe to reincarnate.

Needless to say, this would cause a great deal of panic in both Heaven and the Underworld when the former suddenly have to deal with the hekontkhiere that just arrived attached to a soul that they have to reincarnate somehow, and the latter when they deal with the implications that someone just sent one of the Deathlords into Lethe.

The panic in Heaven would only grow greater once Orihime start ressurrecting all the soulsteel and zombies in the Dowager's fortress left and right with her power (quite possibly creating duplicates of the same people).
 

jbcarpen

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nick012000 said:
I'll point out the Konso. If Ichigo (or any of the other Shinigami present) manages to hit and kill her, he wouldn't send her back to her Neverborn masters to reform. He'd send her into Lethe to reincarnate.
Explicitly not possible, the Deathlords are outright immune to ANYTHING that would send them into lethe. You're better off finding a way to make her patron withdraw his protection. (good effing luck.)

Even the weakest among the deathlords (The Mask of Winters) makes Aizen look like a pimple. Everything that Aizen accomplished, the Mask could do in less time and with less effort. He can also do so very much more.

The only chance they have is if the only full human in the group gets a solar shard and holds off the Dowager long enough for the rest of them to escape (the new solar will die doing this.)
 

nick012000

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Well, to be fair, Konso is supposed to send them into Soul Society; it's just that Soul Society doesn't exist in Creation, so she sort of winds up in Lethe by default. Additionally, the purification aspect of Konso means that by the time she winds up in Lethe, she's not a Deathlord anymore, just a very powerful ghost. Besides, that's just all the more reason for the Deathlords to start panicking. After all, it's not supposed to be possible, yet it happened anyway. :p

Also, I'll point out that she comes across as one of the less physically-oriented Deathlords. She only knows two martial arts styles (besides the two Abyssal ones all the Deathlords know), and she has no noted Custom Charms besides her shapeshifting Arcanoi. IMO, she's probably only got 5 or 6 dots in her various combat-oriented attributes. Ichigo also has about five dots in his combat attributes, along with a bunch of specialties in things like Zangetsu or Fighting Unarmored. If he tried to fight someone like the FaFL or the Bodhisattva, he'd die horribly.
 

FH_Meta

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I'm fairly certain that trying to send any of the Deathlords through Lethe would fail as the dreams of the Neverborn reclaim the souls.

Dreaming power beyond comprehension would tear the deathlord to his master's presence. It would be like trying to neutralize an ocean of vinegar with a stick of baking soda.


EDIT: This also doesnt count the powers that she has as a deathlord that should allow her to nearly kill any of the non-shinigami crew with a look and two motes. (Note, they're dieing, but that can be taken care of.) Or having pretty much all the Abyssal charms.

A shinigami's zanpakuto is not greater than the Void.

Also, the sight of the Well is a horrible thing. It is a horrible thing. It will be back, when the Abhorrance of Life desires it.

EDIT 2: Also combat form for the Dowager is STR, DES, and STA of 15.
 

drakensis

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I concur that konso would do SFA to a Deathlord. Konso is basically a banishment, roughly comparable to the Banish Ghost necromancy spell (konso is a little more potent, but also more specialised). It will drop a ghost into the Underworld. There is no indication that it would push them into Lethe (and even if it did, the Deathlords probably couldn't enter Lethe even if they wanted to).

OTOH, I wouldn't see them as having more than moderate difficulty retreating if need be. A little shunpo should shake off anything less than the Dowager or a powerful Abyssal (and Shoat of the Mire does not qualify) and if they scatter or just keep running they have decent odds of losing her or frustrating her to the point she gives up and goes back to Noss Fen to lay strategms against them.

Deathlords have almost peerless defenses. Their attacks are merely superb.
 

FH_Meta

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They also have egos beyond all reason.

Really, if they weren't so egoistic, they'd have probably killed off Creation by now.
 

gimp

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As much as I am a fanboy of bleach (yoruichi+matsumoto+orihime=profit) and exalted. I would have to say that fighting a deathlord is asking for unpleasant things to happen( the least of which could being made a toilet seat for somthing...unpleasant). Perfect defenses stop anything, perfect physical laughs at infinite damage, perfect social or shaping defenses stop everything else. There is a essence 6 sidereal martial arts charm that reshapes the target into WHATEVER the user desires, but that can be stoped by a tier 1 solar charm that prevents shaping.

The only way Ichigo and co could possibly fight a deathlord, would be if they all exalted as celestials with all perfect defenses ( the hanging kind so that they don't need to use a charm use to protect themselves) or scenelongs that stop all the various ways a deathlord has to screw you. Note that, that will only prevent you from dieing outright, it doesn't actually let you drive one off, let alone destroy a deathlord permantly.
 

FH_Meta

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The other way is that it's all part of some sort of stupidly complex plan to do something or other.

Most deathlords skip the Xanataos Gambit and go into Xanatos Roulette and Gilligan territory without trying.
 

jbcarpen

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nick012000 said:
Well, to be fair, Konso is supposed to send them into Soul Society; it's just that Soul Society doesn't exist in Creation, so she sort of winds up in Lethe by default. Additionally, the purification aspect of Konso means that by the time she winds up in Lethe, she's not a Deathlord anymore, just a very powerful ghost. Besides, that's just all the more reason for the Deathlords to start panicking. After all, it's not supposed to be possible, yet it happened anyway. :p
Also remember that their souls are fused with a Hekatonkhire. The last time someone tried to shove one of those through Lethe, it broke reality and created the underworld. It also created the first shadowland.
 

Lord Raine

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As an aside, given that the Bleach crew's attacks are generally crafted to handle hollows and other ghosts, if Ichigo gets a hit in then the Dowager will probably be hurt. However, even if he killed her, she'd just reform beside her patron. Deathlords are bastards about that. Fortunately, that is several thousand miles away from the Well of Udr, so if anyone can take her down then they will at least have time to figure out what's going on.
Aye, but they're still screwed even if they manage that. Adding a few days to how much time they have won't do much, unless the Plot kicks in and someone or something bails them out. They're going to suffer fates far worse than mere death otherwise. Just not right away.

The only chance they have is if the only full human in the group gets a solar shard and holds off the Dowager long enough for the rest of them to escape (the new solar will die doing this.)
For the record, the term "fully human" does not seem entirely appropriate in this context. There are several individuals who would qualify as being human. Just because they happen to have other powers that work while their soul is absent from the body doesn't make them not-human. Both Ichigo and Orihime, at the very least, would qualify as "human", as would Chad and Uryu.

In fact, the only individuals that I would say wouldn't be counted as human would be those with artificial souls, and any Hollows. Which would rule out any Modsouls, Nemu, and any Hollows and Arrancar.

And Nemu is debatable, seeing how her soul is supposedly so advanced that it's only considered not-real because it was manufactured, not because of any actual innate quality (or lack there-of). It is, for all intents and purposes, a real human soul.

And possibly Mayuri as well, depending on whether or not he's voided his status as human by his self-modifications.

A shinigami's zanpakuto is not greater than the Void.
That's true. But the funny thing is, Ichigo's very well might be, pending a still unexplained plot point.

Zangetsu effortlessly blocked and deflected a direct blow from a fully unleashed artifact of unfathomable potency. The Soukyoku was supposedly equal to the combined force of over a million Zanpakuto in Bankai state combined.

And Zangetsu did an effortless intercept. It wasn't an attack, or even a real block. Zangetsu just so happened to be between Ichigo and Soukyoku, and that was enough to stop it dead. At which point Ichigo merely flicked Zangetsu, and pushed the Soukyoku away.

And Zangetsu wasn't even in Bankai.


You're right. But in this particular instance, you're also wrong, because while we may not know exactly what it is, there is something very strange about Zangetsu, and it's already displayed what could be considered cosmic-levels of power once before.

I concur that konso would do SFA to a Deathlord. Konso is basically a banishment, roughly comparable to the Banish Ghost necromancy spell (konso is a little more potent, but also more specialised).
I disagree, on the grounds that we have no idea exactly how powerful Konso is. From what we've seen, it could range anywhere from "weak" to "stupidly powerful", depending on how you want to interpret it.

You could, for instance, argue that no one has used it against any of the Espada because they're too powerful for it to work against.

But you could also argue that they haven't because it only works on a single soul, and Arrancar are composed of hundreds (or even thousands) of souls stuffed into a single body. Which could, in turn, mean that it's not that Konso doesn't work on them, so much as it is you would have to Konso them hundreds of times for it to do anything.

If you go with the first, I highly doubt it would do anything at all to a Deathlord.

But if you go with the second, well, then, things get a bit more interesting. If Konso's limit isn't power, but that it only works on a single thing at a time, then it could be possible to send a Deathlord on a nasty trip by tagging them with it.

It all depends on how you want to interpret what Konso does.
 

Waruiko

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Isn't part of a zanpakuto's power to cleanse the soul or their misdeeds and evil committed after they died? What would that do?
 

Ryuugi

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Lord Raine said:
As an aside, given that the Bleach crew's attacks are generally crafted to handle hollows and other ghosts, if Ichigo gets a hit in then the Dowager will probably be hurt. However, even if he killed her, she'd just reform beside her patron. Deathlords are bastards about that. Fortunately, that is several thousand miles away from the Well of Udr, so if anyone can take her down then they will at least have time to figure out what's going on.
Aye, but they're still screwed even if they manage that. Adding a few days to how much time they have won't do much, unless the Plot kicks in and someone or something bails them out. They're going to suffer fates far worse than mere death otherwise. Just not right away.

The only chance they have is if the only full human in the group gets a solar shard and holds off the Dowager long enough for the rest of them to escape (the new solar will die doing this.)
For the record, the term "fully human" does not seem entirely appropriate in this context. There are several individuals who would qualify as being human. Just because they happen to have other powers that work while their soul is absent from the body doesn't make them not-human. Both Ichigo and Orihime, at the very least, would qualify as "human", as would Chad and Uryu.

In fact, the only individuals that I would say wouldn't be counted as human would be those with artificial souls, and any Hollows. Which would rule out any Modsouls, Nemu, and any Hollows and Arrancar.

And Nemu is debatable, seeing how her soul is supposedly so advanced that it's only considered not-real because it was manufactured, not because of any actual innate quality (or lack there-of). It is, for all intents and purposes, a real human soul.

And possibly Mayuri as well, depending on whether or not he's voided his status as human by his self-modifications.

A shinigami's zanpakuto is not greater than the Void.
That's true. But the funny thing is, Ichigo's very well might be, pending a still unexplained plot point.

Zangetsu effortlessly blocked and deflected a direct blow from a fully unleashed artifact of unfathomable potency. The Soukyoku was supposedly equal to the combined force of over a million Zanpakuto in Bankai state combined.

And Zangetsu did an effortless intercept. It wasn't an attack, or even a real block. Zangetsu just so happened to be between Ichigo and Soukyoku, and that was enough to stop it dead. At which point Ichigo merely flicked Zangetsu, and pushed the Soukyoku away.

And Zangetsu wasn't even in Bankai.


You're right. But in this particular instance, you're also wrong, because while we may not know exactly what it is, there is something very strange about Zangetsu, and it's already displayed what could be considered cosmic-levels of power once before.

I concur that konso would do SFA to a Deathlord. Konso is basically a banishment, roughly comparable to the Banish Ghost necromancy spell (konso is a little more potent, but also more specialised).
I disagree, on the grounds that we have no idea exactly how powerful Konso is. From what we've seen, it could range anywhere from "weak" to "stupidly powerful", depending on how you want to interpret it.

You could, for instance, argue that no one has used it against any of the Espada because they're too powerful for it to work against.

But you could also argue that they haven't because it only works on a single soul, and Arrancar are composed of hundreds (or even thousands) of souls stuffed into a single body. Which could, in turn, mean that it's not that Konso doesn't work on them, so much as it is you would have to Konso them hundreds of times for it to do anything.

If you go with the first, I highly doubt it would do anything at all to a Deathlord.

But if you go with the second, well, then, things get a bit more interesting. If Konso's limit isn't power, but that it only works on a single thing at a time, then it could be possible to send a Deathlord on a nasty trip by tagging them with it.

It all depends on how you want to interpret what Konso does.
Agreed on the first point.

Doubtful on the second point.

Calling bullshit on the third point. Soukyoku was never said to be equal to a million Bankai's. It was also never said to be equal to a million shikai's. It's likely equal to a million seal zanpakuto. Which, conpaired to any and all seen Bankai, is not that impressive.

On point four, regardless of how powerful it may be, it's not as powerful as World creating Titans from beyond time and space. Which are what keeps Deathlords from dying.

Also, isn't Konso what's used on normal souls? I'm pretty sure you have to use a Soul Cutter's edge to purify Hollows. Either way, it's not working on a Deathlord.

Also, on the second possibility, Deathlords are made of more then one soul. They are the souls of Former God-Kings plus the soul of a 'dead' Third Circle Demon, enhanced by the Power of Cthulhu's brother, sister, wife, daughter, and or son.
 

drakensis

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#20
Ryuugi said:
Waruiko said:
Isn't part of a zanpakuto's power to cleanse the soul or their misdeeds and evil committed after they died?? What would that do?
As Shub-Niggurath has her back, little to nothing.
Concur. In a similar fashion, the Essence Shard of an Abyssal would simly return to it's Monstrance of Celestial Portion without effect unless someone did something fairly special.

Now what that would do to a Solar who was subject to the Great Curse... that would be interesting.
 

FH_Meta

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#21
OK, batch reply here. Given how the Exalted afterlife works, purifying a soul would do SFA unless you're dealing with a ghost that's being tainted by the Whispers, but isn't a Spectre yet.

Specters don't get purified, they fall into the Void on death, and I can't think of anything off hand that would do otherwise.

Purifying a normal ghost would cause it to reform near a fetter, fall into Lethe, or the Void, depending on a few different factors.

Trying to purify a Exalt under the Great Curse would also do SFA. The Curse is part of the Exaltation proper, and not the soul. Given that it takes Primordial to monkey around with those things, all you could do is kill the Exalt, and hope they don't have ways of surviving.
 

Lord Raine

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#22
Calling bullshit on the third point. Soukyoku was never said to be equal to a million Bankai's. It was also never said to be equal to a million shikai's. It's likely equal to a million seal zanpakuto.
Failed right there, because you're calling me out for making an assumption, but then making an assumption.

The wording specifically states that it has the unleashed force of a million Zanpakuto. That's canon. A sealed blade is not "unleashed", no way, no how, not a chance.

The term unleashed force would logically be referring to the output of a Zanpakuto at full power. And the full power of a Zanpakuto would be Bankai. Thus, it follows that the Soukyoku has the force of a million Bankai's.


Also, the very fact that the Soukyoku is only used to execute those of titanic spiritual pressure and power is proof that the force it brings to bare is well beyond what any single Shinigami would be capable of unleashing. It is directly stated in the descriptions and dialogue that the Soukyoku exists to destroy individuals for whom other methods of execution would not work, simply because of the titanic scale of the individual's power. That by itself, if nothing else, affirms the concept that the Soukyoku possesses power beyond what any single individual should possess, barring truly extraordinary circumstances (like whatever-the-hell Ichigo is).

Also, isn't Konso what's used on normal souls? I'm pretty sure you have to use a Soul Cutter's edge to purify Hollows.
I'd imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that most Hollows are trying to eat your face. It's kind of stupid to leave yourself wide open and try and wack them with the pommel of your sword when you can get the same effect from stabbing them or cutting them.

Also, while I can't remember where, I distinctly remember a Plus being passed on from being cut with the edge of a Zanpakuto. That points to the methods being interchangeable, in that hitting them with the pommel or cutting them with the blade both do more or less the same thing.

In fact, Konso doesn't seem to be an actual technique so much as it is something that just happens automatically whenever you wack a spirit with a Zanpakuto. It's possible that the pommel-tap only exists so it doesn't traumatize Pluses.

Also, on the second possibility, Deathlords are made of more then one soul. They are the souls of Former God-Kings plus the soul of a 'dead' Third Circle Demon, enhanced by the Power of Cthulhu's brother, sister, wife, daughter, and or son.
Which means that, assuming we go with Konso being mostly absolute but only working on one thing, it's still a viable option. Meinos Grande have hundreds or even thousands of souls in them, which would logically make Konso'ing them impratical.

How many souls does a Deathlord have? Three? Maybe four? Five tops.

I like the odds of a technique that puts down a Deathlord for good in, at the very very outside, five hits.

Even if it didn't actually destroy them or get rid of them in any perminant manner, they're still getting large chunks of their essence and power blasted off of them. That can't be good for them.
 

jbcarpen

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#23
Lord Raine said:
Calling bullshit on the third point. Soukyoku was never said to be equal to a million Bankai's. It was also never said to be equal to a million shikai's. It's likely equal to a million seal zanpakuto.
Failed right there, because you're calling me out for making an assumption, but then making an assumption.

The wording specifically states that it has the unleashed force of a million Zanpakuto. That's canon. A sealed blade is not "unleashed", no way, no how, not a chance.

The term unleashed force would logically be referring to the output of a Zanpakuto at full power. And the full power of a Zanpakuto would be Bankai. Thus, it follows that the Soukyoku has the force of a million Bankai's.


Also, the very fact that the Soukyoku is only used to execute those of titanic spiritual pressure and power is proof that the force it brings to bare is well beyond what any single Shinigami would be capable of unleashing. It is directly stated in the descriptions and dialogue that the Soukyoku exists to destroy individuals for whom other methods of execution would not work, simply because of the titanic scale of the individual's power. That by itself, if nothing else, affirms the concept that the Soukyoku possesses power beyond what any single individual should possess, barring truly extraordinary circumstances (like whatever-the-hell Ichigo is).

Also, isn't Konso what's used on normal souls? I'm pretty sure you have to use a Soul Cutter's edge to purify Hollows.
I'd imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that most Hollows are trying to eat your face. It's kind of stupid to leave yourself wide open and try and wack them with the pommel of your sword when you can get the same effect from stabbing them or cutting them.

Also, while I can't remember where, I distinctly remember a Plus being passed on from being cut with the edge of a Zanpakuto. That points to the methods being interchangeable, in that hitting them with the pommel or cutting them with the blade both do more or less the same thing.

In fact, Konso doesn't seem to be an actual technique so much as it is something that just happens automatically whenever you wack a spirit with a Zanpakuto. It's possible that the pommel-tap only exists so it doesn't traumatize Pluses.

Also, on the second possibility, Deathlords are made of more then one soul. They are the souls of Former God-Kings plus the soul of a 'dead' Third Circle Demon, enhanced by the Power of Cthulhu's brother, sister, wife, daughter, and or son.
Which means that, assuming we go with Konso being mostly absolute but only working on one thing, it's still a viable option. Meinos Grande have hundreds or even thousands of souls in them, which would logically make Konso'ing them impratical.

How many souls does a Deathlord have? Three? Maybe four? Five tops.

I like the odds of a technique that puts down a Deathlord for good in, at the very very outside, five hits.

Even if it didn't actually destroy them or get rid of them in any perminant manner, they're still getting large chunks of their essence and power blasted off of them. That can't be good for them.
You still aren't accounting for things like abyssal guardian mastery.

Heck, you aren't accounting for soulsteel armor. That stuff is literally made out of hundreds of tortured souls. They also have an ability that lets them redirect any deleterious effect that hits them to some hapless nearby ghost.

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"parry, perfect counterattack, soul cleaving wound"
"soul falls off"
 

Lord Raine

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And yet one blow from a Zanpakuto is all it takes to Konso away thousands of souls at once.
 

FH_Meta

Well-Known Member
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It's going to do shit all to their soul because carving off essence represents destroying a in a very specific way. Most of them tend to be something like the bastard hybrid of a Quincy and some of Mayuri's worse experiments.

Singular Rune of Hatred will do it, because it's a single word so damned hateful that speaking it diminishes you in all ways, but does worse to the target.

The Abyssal Charms that do this are all Abyssal Charms, and by default, really damned nasty.

The closest to not nasty is Soul Mastery, which just tries to make your soul fall off of your body.

Also, consider that a Menos is made of many human souls. Human souls, the majority of which had no power till becoming a Hollow, or part of one.

The Deathlords are made from a human soul that is bloated with power from being, in life, a glorious God-King of great power. Depending on their specialty, they could do things like fighting off a whole division of Shinigami, talk a man into raping and killing his family, summon up monsoons of acidic poison and use the Light of Destruction, or make robbing graves and fucking corpses the new, cool, acceptable thing to do.

This is not counting the shit they can pull off becuase they have Abyssal charms that let them do thing like make you have a mild heart attack and bleed from your eyes becuase you had the balls to disagree with them, or to strike them.

The souls that were fused to them were Third Circle demons, albiet dead ones. They are nightmarish things that have a few component souls that make them up. Those component souls spawned a number of lesser servant races.

There's just a bit of scale difference between a Menos and the Deathlords.
 
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