Nasuverse All Arturias

Prince Charon

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#1
Got this idea while reading the forum (around here, just a bit ago), so I wrote it up.

All the Servants summoned for the Fifth Holy Grail War are aspects of Arturia Pendragon, even in classes she's less than fully suited for. All of them remember the Fourth War, and most remember different versions of the Fifth (EDIT: That part can be left out, if it makes a better story).

Optionally, some of them may have their own version of Rider Alexander's Army of the King.

The one Shirou gets recalls the Fate route, and is pleasantly surprised to be back at the start, as that shouldn't be possible. She's probably still Saber.

Rin's Arturia, the Caster, recalls the UBW route, Good End, and living thirty years with Rin and Shirou, developing excellent skill with modern magecraft.

Ilya gets a Berserker, as she specifically called for that class, so instead of getting the Arturia from her hypothetical route, she gets one from the Heaven's Feel route, Bad End (Shirou fails to kill Saber Alter) - she looks like normal Saber Arturia with the Mad Enhancement off, and like Saber Alter (with the visor from PRISMA?ILLYA), with the Mad Enhancement on. Like Lancelot, her ME rank is C.

Because Ilya got the Arturia from Sakura's route, Sakura gets Rider Arturia from the hypothetical Ilya route, Harem End. Said harem was Ilya/Shirou/Arturia/Rin/Sakura/Medusa (and maybe Ayako and/or Sacchin (from Tsukihime), if you really want). She's even older than Caster Arturia, and can summon two possible mounts, but not at the same time: an awesome, armed and armoured, technomagical motorbike with the spirit if a horse, and Adult Shirou (EDIT: Perhaps she can call other members of Ilya's harem as mounts, especially if she has some version of Army of the King). She likes to be called 'Lily', looks like that pic, and is generally pretty cheerful.

The Archer is called by the unnamed Association magus who got Caster in canon, and abandons him as soon as possible. In her version of the Fifth, she was summoned by Emiya Ayako, and was the first or second Servant to appear. She practiced archery to pass the time, when she wasn't scouting, while waiting for the War proper to begin.

Lancer Arturia, called by Bazett, does not recall the true Fifth, instead remembering being the Sabers (yes, both of them) of Fate/hollow ataraxia.

If Assassin Arturia is called at all (most likely as False Assassin), she's probably from a world where for some reason, Arturia eventually accepted or agreed with Kiritsugu's methods in the Fourth War - which would require a hell of a lot of character development, to make any sense.

So, thoughts?
 

Amodelsino

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#2
The problem I see is that all of them would fight the same way.

Modern spells are completely useless against Altria/Arturia/Whateverthefuckia, so Caster would still just fight using Excalibur and Prana burst, and all of the others have no real changes in their abilities at all. Well save Rider, who gets the ability to summon people weaker than her(in other words, she gets a largly useless ability).

Basically, while the interactions might be interesting or humorous (though it's questionable given that most of them are essentially the same exact person), the actual War would be incredibly boring..
 

Avider

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#3
Amodelsino said:
The problem I see is that all of them would fight the same way.

Modern spells are completely useless against Altria/Arturia/Whateverthefuckia, so Caster would still just fight using Excalibur and Prana burst, and all of the others have no real changes in their abilities at all. Well save Rider, who gets the ability to summon people weaker than her(in other words, she gets a largly useless ability).

Basically, while the interactions might be interesting or humorous (though it's questionable given that most of them are essentially the same exact person), the actual War would be incredibly boring..
Dark Saber:

Magic Resistance - B
 

zeebee1

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#4
I'm pretty sure that a caster that had to cast at a minimum of B for every spell would run out quick.
 

Amodelsino

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#5
Avider said:
Dark Saber:

Magic Resistance - B
Not everyone is Medea.

Even Rin only managed A rank spells using (multiple?) jewels.

Even Alba with his super fast casting still took two seconds for his (which is not quick enough in a servant battle).

On top of that, B rank still reduces damage from greater and ritual magic (A and above).

Basically, Caster Arturia is still better off by far just using her sword.
 

Avider

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#6
Modern spells are completely useless against Altria/Arturia/Whateverthefuckia
More importantly, it's proof of concept for the fact that Saber's Magic Resistance can be lessened.

Do the math yourself from that starting concept.
 

ttestagr

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#7
I want to know how the prospect of near supersonic swordfights, possibly while running up buildings or throwing trucks at each other, can possibly be considered boring....
 

BlackSun

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#8
ttestagr said:
I want to know how the prospect of near supersonic swordfights, possibly while running up buildings or throwing trucks at each other, can possibly be considered boring....
It would be awesome to see if it were animated the same way Unlimited Blade Works was.
It would probably need a larger budget for seven Arturias though.
 

zeebee1

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#9
Unless she's a genius mage she'll still fight like a Saber.
 

Prince Charon

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#10
zeebee1 said:
Unless she's a genius mage she'll still fight like a Saber.
I'd say its more 'she mostly fights like Saber, but uses magecraft to alter the environment to her advantage' - which is damn scary, if you think about it.
 

Amodelsino

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#11
Not compared to the ability to fight at supersonic speeds it's not. The advantage is just not big enough to be worth the distraction of casting the spells (considering someone has to be preventing the other Saber from just cutting her up while she does).

Avider said:
Modern spells are completely useless against Altria/Arturia/Whateverthefuckia
More importantly, it's proof of concept for the fact that Saber's Magic Resistance can be lessened.

Do the math yourself from that starting concept.
Right. Even Angra Mainyu fundamentally altering her very soul put her MR down from "Modern Magic is completely useless against her" to "The most powerful Modern Magecraft (that takes considerable preparation) is almost useless against her".

That definitely suggests that magecraft would be useful against these other Arturia's that were never blackened.

Even under Shirou she still had full MR.
 

trevelyan1983

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#12
She's got Wind magic covering her sword. Take that idea and use it to spec a Wind element mage Arturia.

Read Codex Alera or watch Kaze no Stigma if that's too difficult to quantify.
 

Amodelsino

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#13
Would Barrier of the Wind King work against other Arturia's?

I mean, it's a Noble Phantasm right? So that might overcome the whole Magic Resistance thing.
 

Prince Charon

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#14
Another point about Caster Arturia: she can make magic items. Likewise, altering the environment to your advantage is one of the things the Caster class is great at. Combine the two, and she can have Rin and any allies hold off Berserker for just long enough to force Ilya to use up a Command Seal calling her Servant - or, she could create a potion or other item that acts a little like Rule Breaker, killing one Command Seal per dose.

In other words, just because she melees like Saber, doesn't mean she fights like Saber.
 

Epsilon

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#15
Red Saber should pop in just to troll.

"Hi Arturias! I'm Nero."
 

Prince Charon

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#16
Have been thinking more about the Grail's ability to make someone fit a class, if it has to (demonstrated with Gilles de Rais, who wasn't suited to the Caster class, until the Grail needed to shove him in it), in reference to the idea of Caster Arturia (whether it was the only class available, or the Grail was trolling her, or Zel was having some fun, or as in this thread, all the Servants are versions of Arturia). The Grail apparently added stuff to Gilles to make him fit, so I've been wondering what it might add to Arturia (or one of her other selves, like Alter or Lily - Urobachi's version of Lily might be the least unsuited for the class), beyond some ability with one or both of the Class Skills. One thought I had was to give Invisible Air: Bounded Field of the Wind King greater versatility (possibly leading to a rank up), as it's already quite similar to magecraft. Also toying with the idea that she's summoned without Excalibur, thus forcing her to fight more like a Caster. If the Grail is trolling her for some reason, it's likely that she'll have somewhat different abilities than if it shoved her into the class for another reason.

Any thoughts, or other ideas for things that might be imposed on some variant of Arturia to make her fit a Class?
 

lord geryon

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#17
The Arturia that never became the king, instead she became Merlin's apprentice.
 

Prince Charon

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#18
lord geryon said:
The Arturia that never became the king, instead she became Merlin's apprentice.
Well, yeah, though the easiest way to do that is to use an Arturia who won the Grail, and made a wish - it's just that with Angra Mainyu in the Grail, whomever replaces her is likely to be vastly worse, leading to her taking up the throne, again. On her own, IIRC, it's said that she lacked the patience for magic, when Merlin tried to teach her.
 

zeebee1

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#19
Consider it kingly training even though she didn't become the king. A king does not give up because they lack patience. They become patient.
 

Prince Charon

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#20
zeebee1 said:
Consider it kingly training even though she didn't become the king. A king does not give up because they lack patience. They become patient.
Oh, I agree, but various people on SB.com insist otherwise. It's supposedly canon, although I have yet to see a specific reference.

Another thought on just how dangerous Invisible Air could be: AFAIK, one of the things crews on submarines have to worry about is cracked air-pipes, not because of water leaking in, but because the air is under such high pressure, that a tiny crack turns it into an invisible blade of air, that can take you head off. If it can be done with science, it can be done with magecraft.
 

alansg

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#21
About Assassin Arthuria, at least in the Welsh stories (s)he had <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnwennan' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>the dagger Carnwennan</a>, which 'is sometimes attributed with the magical power to shroud its user in shadow'.
 

Prince Charon

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#22
alansg said:
About Assassin Arthuria, at least in the Welsh stories (s)he had <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnwennan' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>the dagger Carnwennan</a>, which 'is sometimes attributed with the magical power to shroud its user in shadow'.
Fallacies did a cool writeup of Carnwennan as a Noble Phantasm. Might be in the Solenoid Flux thread.
 

zeebee1

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#23
One the plus side the only two classes that require specific weapons are Saber and Lancer. If you're going to bend the rules enough for multiple versions of the same person to appear then even Assassin is a possibility.
 
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