Alternate Guardians for Sailor Scouts

[Leonite]

*Actually likes Crow*

Go away. You suck and should be ashamed of liking that giant Mary Sue. :no:

To be fair I've only watched Season 1, and even then I didn't see Crow as a Mary Sue, I saw personality flaws, I saw foreshadowing in his Dark Signer battle, and I recognise that he uses a deck thats extremely powerful. Yes stuff like the flying motor bike is a bit weird, but this is Yugioh we're talking about, weird is part of the status quo.

Also, don't forget that Crow faced the least experienced of the Dark Signers, where as the others had to face ones varying from the first few (Roman/Rudger, Devack) to ones with personal ties (Carly, Kiryu/Kalin). Claiming Crow is a Mary Sue for that stuff is like claiming that Yusei is a Mary Sue for taking on two Dark Signers twice and only losing once due to the first Earthbound Immortal/God... which he technicly is. After all, at the climax of season 1, Crow was the first to get knocked out of the fight, highlighting the inexperience and lack of Signer power.

Oh yes, and I just like his character generally. I accept that you see it as Mary Sue ish, but is it any less Sue-ish than Yugi or Aster, with their incredible luck of the draw?

 

[Leonite]

Sorry for the double post but this needs a small bumping. Anyway, what about if Phoenix Wright/Miles Edgeworth raised someone like Ami?

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Rei raised by Doomguy.

 

[GenocideHeart]

*Actually likes Crow*

Go away. You suck and should be ashamed of liking that giant Mary Sue. :no:

To be fair I've only watched Season 1, and even then I didn't see Crow as a Mary Sue, I saw personality flaws, I saw foreshadowing in his Dark Signer battle, and I recognise that he uses a deck thats extremely powerful. Yes stuff like the flying motor bike is a bit weird, but this is Yugioh we're talking about, weird is part of the status quo.

Also, don't forget that Crow faced the least experienced of the Dark Signers, where as the others had to face ones varying from the first few (Roman/Rudger, Devack) to ones with personal ties (Carly, Kiryu/Kalin). Claiming Crow is a Mary Sue for that stuff is like claiming that Yusei is a Mary Sue for taking on two Dark Signers twice and only losing once due to the first Earthbound Immortal/God... which he technicly is. After all, at the climax of season 1, Crow was the first to get knocked out of the fight, highlighting the inexperience and lack of Signer power.

Oh yes, and I just like his character generally. I accept that you see it as Mary Sue ish, but is it any less Sue-ish than Yugi or Aster, with their incredible luck of the draw?

My problem with Crow is that in Season 2 he gets a Signer mark (one of those you... y'know... are BORN with) out of fucking nowhere, and even gets his personal dragon, also out of fucking nowhere, AND he suddenly becomes more competent than Jack Atlas, who's reduced to a buttmonkey role.

Hell, even Aki ends up becoming an inept damsel in distress just to make Crow look more awesome.

Forgive me if I don't find this anything other than a giant Mary Sue wankfest... it's worse than what Sasuke pulled, and that says it all.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Usagi, raised by Yubel. Loved to see the world dealing with a Usagi's with her twisted definition of love.

 

[Crusader]

Usagi being raised and trained by Jack Bauer and having a fondness for the interrogation techniques every time she gets her hands on an enemy minion or officer.

Makoto being raised and trained by Dexter Morgan.

Hotaru becoming the protege of Andre Linoge.

 

[darthdavid]

Hotaru raised by Jack Rakan (or any of the senshi really, but think of how scary someone with the power to wipe out planets could be under his tutelage...).

 

[Leonite]

*Actually likes Crow*

Go away. You suck and should be ashamed of liking that giant Mary Sue. :no:

To be fair I've only watched Season 1, and even then I didn't see Crow as a Mary Sue, I saw personality flaws, I saw foreshadowing in his Dark Signer battle, and I recognise that he uses a deck thats extremely powerful. Yes stuff like the flying motor bike is a bit weird, but this is Yugioh we're talking about, weird is part of the status quo.

Also, don't forget that Crow faced the least experienced of the Dark Signers, where as the others had to face ones varying from the first few (Roman/Rudger, Devack) to ones with personal ties (Carly, Kiryu/Kalin). Claiming Crow is a Mary Sue for that stuff is like claiming that Yusei is a Mary Sue for taking on two Dark Signers twice and only losing once due to the first Earthbound Immortal/God... which he technicly is. After all, at the climax of season 1, Crow was the first to get knocked out of the fight, highlighting the inexperience and lack of Signer power.

Oh yes, and I just like his character generally. I accept that you see it as Mary Sue ish, but is it any less Sue-ish than Yugi or Aster, with their incredible luck of the draw?

My problem with Crow is that in Season 2 he gets a Signer mark (one of those you... y'know... are BORN with) out of fucking nowhere, and even gets his personal dragon, also out of fucking nowhere, AND he suddenly becomes more competent than Jack Atlas, who's reduced to a buttmonkey role.

Hell, even Aki ends up becoming an inept damsel in distress just to make Crow look more awesome.

Forgive me if I don't find this anything other than a giant Mary Sue wankfest... it's worse than what Sasuke pulled, and that says it all.

Eh, I reckon Jack is recovering from what I can gather. At least Crow doesn't have a second level Dragon like Yusei and Jack.

And Crow got it because it was convineint I guess, for all we know the Dragon could have wanted to give it's mark to Officer Trudge but was so blinded by pain it chose the wrong person. That, and every signer has a signer dragon.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Let's overlook how Crow WASN'T a Signer originally and more or less got the Signer mark at random, hm? Pretty much the only reason why he got it was because Konami needed to show its newest Dragon off... in which case it begs the question, why not just give it to Rally? Crow already has a horrifically overpowered theme deck anyway, his Dragon doesn't mesh very well with it to boot (if you are taking damage with a Blackwing deck YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG), while Rally COULD use a Dragon since even Leo has Power Tool Dragon, while Rally is left out in the cold with that ridiculously trashy Turbo Cannon...

 

[Leonite]

Rally isn't important enough maybe?

I would've liked to have seen Carly get it myself, or Leo. Carly just to make it a three girls - two guys team, plus it allows her to get closer to Jack and Leo because his Power Tool Dragon looks like the fith one.

Hmmm, maybe I should write the one with Carly...

 

[Crusader]

I wonder how formidable Usagi would turn out if she was raised by Hanse Davion or Sun-Tzu Liao?

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

 

[Leonite]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

 

[Lord Raa]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

Because all the Primarchs are male

 

[EspyLacopa]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

Because all the Primarchs are male

Oh, you say that like people don't gleefully ignore and mutilate canon already when it suits their whim.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

Because all the Primarchs are male

Samus Aran.

 

[Leonite]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

Because all the Primarchs are male

A lot of people could debate with you about that for hours.

 

[Prince Charon]

The GEoM comes across a baby Usagi either after by thrown into the SMverse or Usagi somehow being cast into the Warhammer 40k reality. Being what he is, the GEoM is more then capable of divining Usagi's true nature, cue him promptly adopting her and several decades/centuries down the line every other power outside of IoM within the two realities getting epically shafted.

...Though I got to admit I feel a slight bit of pity for Mamoru if he still ends up with Usagi given that the 'meet the family'thing is probably not going to go well for him if the any of her brothers mange to show up for it and can keep from sniping at each other.

Someone needs to write this, it must be done. Heck, people always ask about the missing Primarchs, why not have Usagi BE one of them?

Because all the Primarchs are male

A Y chromosome becoming an X chromosome is a smaller genetic change than what happened to <a href='http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sanguinius</a>, AFAICT. A female Primarch is thus not outside plausibility, and there are two missing, in canon.

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

Not to weigh in one way or the other but Usagi probably would work best as her 'normal' self if simply for the fact that I'm sure that GEoM would've been fairly paranoid about the baby Primarchs back when they where in his care and would have done his damn best to keep what amounts to a cosmic entity from being reborn in one of them. Which means that Primarch!Usagi wouldn't have the Ginzuishou and would a lot less powerful when it comes personal power, especially going by the manga where by the end she's become the shoujo equivalent of a proto-GEoM.

Where as if he meets Usagi after she's born, the GEoM will still probably be a bit paranoid about her but will also be to see that she is neither a daemon or some other cosmic horror (at least for humanity) but something closer to himself. And the GEoM is also more likely to be more open about the truth of the Warp to her by sheer necessity. And I really can't see Usagi not spilling the beans to at least Magnus post-Nikaea in order to explain the GEoM dislike for sorcery, and Horus if just accidentally.

Which in itself could have some massive consequences...

 

[Ordo]

And I really can't see Usagi not spilling the beans to at least Magnus post-Nikaea in order to explain the GEoM dislike for sorcery, and Horus if just accidentally.

Which in itself could have some massive consequences...

Actually, if Usagi is around from the beginning, she might be able to cure Magnus' Thousand Sons of the flesh change curse. THAT would change things significantly. Without his Legion being tainted by the warp, and thus ensared, Magnus would likely stand at the Emperor's side when the Heresy occurs.

If Magnus and his father are on Terra, then there's a good chance that together they could teleport themselves, accuratly, aboard Horus' ship. Imagine, Horuse facing Sanguinius, Dorn, Magnus, and the Emperor. He might take one or two of his brothers with him, due to the power of Chaos, but the Emperor will survive.

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

And I really can't see Usagi not spilling the beans to at least Magnus post-Nikaea in order to explain the GEoM dislike for sorcery, and Horus if just accidentally.

Which in itself could have some massive consequences...

Actually, if Usagi is around from the beginning, she might be able to cure Magnus' Thousand Sons of the flesh change curse. THAT would change things significantly. Without his Legion being tainted by the warp, and thus ensared, Magnus would likely stand at the Emperor's side when the Heresy occurs.

Huh. I had totally forgotten about that though she'd probably have to know Magnus for a good, long while before he'd be willing to spill the beans about that little nugget.

The reason that I mentioned Nikaea was that was where the GEoM really seems to have dropped the ball when it comes Magnus. He bans use of Librarians in the legions and forbids further practice of magic, and doesn't tell the Primarch who was raised by scholars and is bound to be naturally curious, and who happens to be also quite possibly the most psychically active and aware of his sons why.

Heck, even the most limited amount of knowledge know by a citizen in the IoM post-Hersey would've done done Magnus more good then what the GEoM happened to give. :sweat2:

If Magnus and his father are on Terra, then there's a good chance that together they could teleport themselves, accuratly, aboard Horus' ship. Imagine, Horuse facing Sanguinius, Dorn, Magnus, and the Emperor. He might take one or two of his brothers with him, due to the power of Chaos, but the Emperor will survive.

Factoring in Usagi's ability to heal, even if the Emperor does get as badly hurt as he did in canon she should be able to have him back on his at worst in a year or twos time. Along with any Primarch who isn't outright dead such as Guilliman.

And depending on how quickly Magnus can reach Earth in time, and where Usagi happens to be, its possible if the Hersey happens it'll be Horus who's on the ropes forced into a desperation attack. Magnus and the Emperor working together should be more then capable of checking the ruinous powers influence on Terra which was one of Horus' major advantages during the Siege. Throw in Usagi and it'd destroy any hope of Chaos having of keeping a foothold on Terra and let the GEoM focus his full attention on dealing with Horus...

Also its possible that Usagi might be able to keep Konard from falling into Chaos simply by being there and willing to listen and offer him some sympathy for what was happening back on Nostramo. Depending on how long and well she knows the other Primarchs she might even able to get one of them to do more then just sneer at Curze and offer him at least a some bit of help as well.

 

[Leonite]

This needs to be written.

 

[bissek]

This needs to be written.

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6316488/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Lovehammer</a>

The Princess and her Anima apparently vanished sometime before the Horus Heresy, though, leaving canon Warhammer history going until Hotaru, anima of Saturn, is discovered by Ciaphas Cain.

 

[Drunken_Loli]

Fun time WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!! My choices for the replacement parents.

1. Usagi-<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourry_Gabriev' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Gourry Gabriev</a>
2. Ami-<a href='http://tenchi.wikia.com/wiki/Washu' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Washu</a>
3. Rei-<a href='http://ranma.wikia.com/wiki/Happosai' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Happosai</a>
4. Makoto-<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoh' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Raoh</a>
5. Minako-<a href='http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Marisa_Kirisame' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Marisa Kirisame</a>
6. Mamoru-<a href='http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yuuka_Kazami' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Yuuka Kazami</a>
7. Setsuna-<a href='http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Master' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The Master</a>
8. Michiru-<a href='http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Katara' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Katara</a>
9. Haruka-<a href='http://ranma.wikia.com/wiki/Ukyo' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Ukyo</a>
10. Hotaru-<a href='http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+profile+-+Dark+Schneider' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Dark Schneider</a>, ya him THEE GOD OF OVERKILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the IT BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Usagi's father is now Gunnery Sergeant Hartman.

That is all.