Nasuverse Another Idea from the Sessha.

#26
A master-less NP? hmm... sounds interesting.

GenocideHeart said:
Third possibility, that Saber finds something even MORE powerful than the Grail (as unlikely as it sounds, you must remember that the Grail is not even close to being the most powerful artifact out there in legends, and there might well be artifacts even more powerful), and THAT grants her wish. Say, the Philosopher's Stone, or if you want to be very sadistic, the Necronomicon.
Possible... I suppose. The Holy Grail is the key to the 3rd magic. Materilization of the soul. I think :unsure: .

Fatuous One said:
You know, Kiritsugu is the one who is supposed to have Avalon in F/SN. Avalon is the item that was used to summon Saber, and he kept it on himself to stay alive during the war. Remember, Avalon was lost in the legend, and Kiritsugu found it and used it as a focus to summon his Servant.

And anyway Shirou wasn't invincible with Avalon in him, you know. He regenerated at a high rate, but he wasn't using the thing to it's fullest potential. He did return that Avalon, unless you change it. But even so, don't worry about multiple NPs. Half of GilgameshÆs weapons are earlier versions of all of others (for example, Gram/Balmung is a earlier Caliburn).
Sorry about not explaining this completely. I meant Saber!Shirou had Saber's Avalon inside his body like always. He gave it back to Saber at the end before her wish. However, he receives HIS Avalon when he becomes "King Arthur". I think Mosh is trying to find someway to work it out so Saber!Shirou can keep his Avalon as an Eirei.

True, Shirou wasn't invincible when he had Avalon inside him. A one-hit kill, like a stab to the heart or blowing off his head, would take him out. But if you remember he gets sliced, nearly through a third of his chest, by Beserker and he gets up the next morning without a scratch. Just a bit sore and spits up some blood.

I'm not trying to be stubborn with my posts. I'm just trying to iron out details with the story. Thanks again for your insight into NP and such.

~The Ecchi Sessha
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#27
There is difference between using the Avalon and having it inside you.

While you have it inside it gives you extremely advanced regeneration and endurance, when you use>>> Invincibility.

Why do i want to keep him outside the fourth war and with the noble phantasm?

Gilgamesh's reasons for chasing Saber... i just can't see a fic without that.
 
#28
I'm gonna 'step' away and leave this idea alone for a bit and let someone else come up with some ideas. I'm sure Mosh and Fatuous One are beginning to tire of my innane ideas. Writing should be left to the true writers.

~The Ecchi Sessha
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#29
Avalon Issue:

1) Shirou returns it to Saber in F/SN but if we go by the anime there still seemed to be a connection between the artifact and him.

2) Even if he returns it he still gains his own Avalon in this idea when he becomes king Arthur.

Oh well i'm sure there are legends surrounding king Arthur that we can use to design a noble phantasm...

I'm sure Mosh and Fatuous One are beginning to tire of my innane ideas.
Tired? No, not me.. you F1?
 
#30
There was something I was wanting to know but couldn't find any info. Is it possible for a magi to have more than one servant? Like have 2 or more reiju? It could open up a few doors to save certain servants from being destroyed/dissappearing. (Also opens the doors to Harem :snigger: ) Just a suggestion.

As for Saber!Shirou's NP, his TRUE Phantasm doesn't have to be a physical object say like Caliburn or Excalibur. It could be an ability like God's Hand. You could have Shirou be different as a servant after all. There isn't any rule (that i know of anyway) that says a servant is limited in number on true NP. Gates of Babylon doesn't count as it is a single NP that unlocks Gilgamesh's treasure room. Gilgamesh doesn't actually have the ability to use all NP in his treasure very well. He can use a few... just not very well. Also lets not forget, even if Saber!Shirou was unable to develop his reality marble. He still has strengthen and tracing.

I'll throw out a few ideas if you guys still want them. However, i'm gonna chill on brainstorming and let you guys handle the rest of the plot and such. I kinda feel like sometimes i'm hi-jacking the plot.

~The Ecchi Sessha
 

Moshulel

Well-Known Member
#31
There was something I was wanting to know but couldn't find any info. Is it possible for a magi to have more than one servant? Like have 2 or more reiju? It could open up a few doors to save certain servants from being destroyed/dissappearing. (Also opens the doors to Harem asd.gif ) Just a suggestion.
Yes this is possible, without reffering to the game there was one such example in the anime: Kirei who was master for both Lancer and Gilgamesh.


As for Saber!Shirou's NP, his TRUE Phantasm doesn't have to be a physical object say like Caliburn or Excalibur. It could be an ability like God's Hand. You could have Shirou be different as a servant after all. There isn't any rule (that i know of anyway) that says a servant is limited in number on true NP. Gates of Babylon doesn't count as it is a single NP that unlocks Gilgamesh's treasure room. Gilgamesh doesn't actually have the ability to use all NP in his treasure very well. He can use a few... just not very well. Also lets not forget, even if Saber!Shirou was unable to develop his reality marble. He still has strengthen and tracing.
Not true.. the NP has to be related in some way with the legend and with the class they are summoned in. Look at Chu Chulain and Hercules for an example.
 
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