Anull the results of Election 3 and do it over

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TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#26
Cherry_lover said:
TC_Hazard said:
A suggestion, I would not be against reopening the election thread for the hours that remained in it.

However, if there is a new election, to avoid further drama the only people that get to post on that thread are the candidates. One post each to say why we should vote for them. No further discussion in order to avoid a repeat of last time.

Come to think of it even if we just reopen the old thread, shutting down the discussion and only letting the candidates say their piece once may not be a bad idea.
The problem with that is that it means you cannot question them, and therefore it becomes an exercise in who can bullshit the best and write the most persuasive election post.
So like a real election then? :p

Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
 

GenocideHeart

Well-Known Member
#27
Shirotsume said:
Honestly, I don't feel like google is going to be too much of an issue due to the way I set up the board as long as we follow the first four tenants of the rules: nsfw in the restricted forum, nothing illegal, etc etc.

That said, I prefer hands off modding, if nothing else than just for the fact that the way the rules are set up demands it. If the mods start trying to get hands on, then we've got a bigger problem in that the mods just decided to start enforcing their own rules.
I don't intend to enforce my own rules, but I do feel that part of a mod's duties should also be to try and calm people down when the atmosphere is too heated and things are going in a very unpleasant way. We CAN be civil to each other, was it really necessary to be all snarly and bitey over the election thing?

This is also why I felt uneasy about the freedom of insult thing. Insults may look harmless, but the truth is that when you start slinging foul words and mud at each other, it inevitably colors people's opinion, souring them to you even simply out of annoyance, and causes arguments to needlessly drag on, derail and go totally out of control. It's simple human nature, no one likes to be insulted, and even the most good natured person is going to be bitter about it... which usually doesn't help anyone's case.

If you really WANT to insult each other, people, I unfortunately can't stop you, but keep in mind that you aren't doing yourselves any favors by resorting to petty behavior. If you want to make a valid point, leave insults home and be coincise and polite. Leave snide remarks and vitriol home, too, while you're at it. People will respect you more for showing self control, and will be more inclined to listen to you.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#28
Let me rephrase what I meant- not so much mods creating their own rules, but mods creating their own interpretations of the rules.

That's why requiring a report to be issued before action can be taken, and the mod forum, are so crucial in my mind, is because even if a mod wishes to insert their own interpretation of the rules into things, they're hamstrung by a complete inability to do so unless asked to, and even then it's subject to review.
 

T.L

Well-Known Member
#29
Cherry_lover said:
I completely disagree with this. Without people expressing their viewpoint we cannot know who will actually do a good job, so it just becomes a popularity contest.
Are you for real???
We had at least 3 elections with no trouble whatsoever.
As soon as campaigning entered everything went to shit.
If you don't believe me go back and actually read all the threads.
The whole election was a popularity contest.
 

Muramasa

Well-Known Member
#30
Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
Someone cared enough to throw a DMCA violation on Spacebattles a little while ago. It shut the forum down for at least half a day and forced the administrators to remove whole threads because they weren't sure where exactly the violation was.


edit: I see no reason not to open the polls for one more day. It's inethical to invalidate the votes already cast.
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#31
Muramasa said:
Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
Someone cared enough to throw a DMCA violation on Spacebattles a little while ago. It shut the forum down for at least half a day and forced the administrators to remove whole threads because they weren't sure where exactly the violation was.
That's Karma. Sweet. delicious Karma.

Honestly though, that's an outlier. Like you said they didn't even know what it was. If we start thinking on preventing stuff like that, we are going to get paranoid and we start restricting ourselves on the chance that "google may look at us".

edit: I see no reason not to open the polls for one more day. It's inethical to invalidate the votes already cast.
Not really. It is pretty standard procedure when holding elections after the first one is invalidated. It's not like those people aren't going to vote again in case of a new election.

Mind, I could go either way as I said before.
 

Nanya

Well-Known Member
#32
Problem with the DMCA is that everything can be a violation of copyright.

Even recordings of birds singing is a violation of copyright.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#33
Muramasa said:
Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
Someone cared enough to throw a DMCA violation on Spacebattles a little while ago. It shut the forum down for at least half a day and forced the administrators to remove whole threads because they weren't sure where exactly the violation was.


edit: I see no reason not to open the polls for one more day. It's inethical to invalidate the votes already cast.
There's nothing unethical about saying: "Due to problems with the electoral process, resulting in potential fraud, we are holding a repeat election."

It doesn't invalidate votes, it simply invalidates the election itself and holds it again. Sure it could be unethical if paired with another unethical activity, like ballot stuffing or otherwise manipulating the voters, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to have a fair election, even if that means holding an entirely new election free of past grievances.
 

Cosgrove

Well-Known Member
#34
I'm going to be completely honest here about this:

I don't give a fuck about the elections and the more I HAVE to hear about this, mostly from you Vex because of how much you've posted about it, the more I want things to remain the way they are.

Did they mess up the elections? Probably.

Was there dirty politics involved? Without a doubt.

But honestly? From what I saw in that thread, you were just as guilty of the 'dirty politics' as Zephyrus with your whole 'fuck Chronodekar because people are against me!' which seems to be the attitude you still have, which makes it kind of funny that you're calling out the election for 'fraud.'

That's why a new election doesn't interest me. Because it won't be 'people vote for who they want' it'll be another 'fuck that guy, everyone I know vote for this guy because that asshole voted for him!' kinda like you and Zephyrus pulled last time. Even if you're pulled from candidates, Vex, I'm still expecting you to try to screw over Chronodekar, who didn't do anything wrong, out of sheer spite for 'the administration.'

Which is why I'm fine with how things are. The person, Chronodekar, was the most polite candidate who had been in the lead and if we do another election, I'll have to keep hearing about this shit even more when I'm already sick of it.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#35
Cosgrove said:
I'm going to be completely honest here about this:

I don't give a fuck about the elections and the more I HAVE to hear about this, mostly from you Vex because of how much you've posted about it, the more I want things to remain the way they are.

Did they mess up the elections? Probably.

Was there dirty politics involved? Without a doubt.

But honestly? From what I saw in that thread, you were just as guilty of the 'dirty politics' as Zephyrus with your whole 'fuck Chronodekar because people are against me!' which seems to be the attitude you still have, which makes it kind of funny that you're calling out the election for 'fraud.'

That's why a new election doesn't interest me. Because it won't be 'people vote for who they want' it'll be another 'fuck that guy, everyone I know vote for this guy because that asshole voted for him!' kinda like you and Zephyrus pulled last time. Even if you're pulled from candidates, Vex, I'm still expecting you to try to screw over Chronodekar, who didn't do anything wrong, out of sheer spite for 'the administration.'

Which is why I'm fine with how things are. The person, Chronodekar, was the most polite candidate who had been in the lead and if we do another election, I'll have to keep hearing about this shit even more when I'm already sick of it.
Cry me a fucking river about having to suffer through things you don't have to deal with, or how perfectly fucking okay you are with this sort of behavior out of our elected officials (as one's very first fucking official act I might add).
 

Muramasa

Well-Known Member
#36
Vexarian said:
Muramasa said:
Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
Someone cared enough to throw a DMCA violation on Spacebattles a little while ago. It shut the forum down for at least half a day and forced the administrators to remove whole threads because they weren't sure where exactly the violation was.


edit: I see no reason not to open the polls for one more day. It's inethical to invalidate the votes already cast.
There's nothing unethical about saying: "Due to problems with the electoral process, resulting in potential fraud, we are holding a repeat election."

It doesn't invalidate votes, it simply invalidates the election itself and holds it again. Sure it could be unethical if paired with another unethical activity, like ballot stuffing or otherwise manipulating the voters, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to have a fair election, even if that means holding an entirely new election free of past grievances.
I disagree. Unless you can prove the fraud there's no reason to toss the votes already made (vote's made out of maliciousness or whatever is still a perfectly valid vote). The only issue was the early cut off period, which should be rectified by allowing the polls to be open for the remainder of the original time limit not used.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#37
Muramasa said:
Vexarian said:
Muramasa said:
Edit: On the Google thing, I don't really feel like that's going to be an issue.
Someone cared enough to throw a DMCA violation on Spacebattles a little while ago. It shut the forum down for at least half a day and forced the administrators to remove whole threads because they weren't sure where exactly the violation was.


edit: I see no reason not to open the polls for one more day. It's inethical to invalidate the votes already cast.
There's nothing unethical about saying: "Due to problems with the electoral process, resulting in potential fraud, we are holding a repeat election."

It doesn't invalidate votes, it simply invalidates the election itself and holds it again. Sure it could be unethical if paired with another unethical activity, like ballot stuffing or otherwise manipulating the voters, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to have a fair election, even if that means holding an entirely new election free of past grievances.
I disagree. Unless you can prove the fraud there's no reason to toss the votes already made (vote's made out of maliciousness or whatever is still a perfectly valid vote). The only issue was the early cut off period, which should be rectified by allowing the polls to be open for the remainder of the original time limit not used.
Which is a bad idea.

Imagine if an actual vote happened like that? Do you realize how fucking confusing it would be?

As a result of election fraud, the proud country of fucknutsistan has closed it's ballots four hours ahead of schedule. To combat this fraud, the votes will be reopened for the allotted four hours, five days from the time of the first vote. Only those who did not originally cast their vote may vote.

Compare that to: As a result of election fraud, a new election will be held on the 39th of Katillsuary, with the previous votes cast being null and void.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#38
Actually, in an irl vote, they would just keep the results.

Voting offices are allowed to close whenever the fuck they wish. Saying that it would be open "four days" would have just been a general courtesy, and wouldn't have been required to be followed, and that office could still close whenever the hell they wished for any reason they wished, including "I wanted a sandwich."
Trying to draw an analogy to real politics will only kill whatever point you have.



Also, cry me a fucking river about how an election got closed early after all the votes were in.

Oh wait, you are.
 

Muramasa

Well-Known Member
#39
Which is a bad idea.

Imagine if an actual vote happened like that? Do you realize how fucking confusing it would be?

As a result of election fraud, the proud country of fucknutsistan has closed it's ballots four hours ahead of schedule. To combat this fraud, the votes will be reopened for the allotted four hours, five days from the time of the first vote. Only those who did not originally cast their vote may vote.

Compare that to: As a result of election fraud, a new election will be held on the 39th of Katillsuary, with the previous votes cast being null and void.
It's only confusing because of the scale. Organizing that kind of election where thousands of people could still potentially vote really would be a mess and likely cause fraud. But this is an enclosed community. People who've already voted really can't do so again. There's no other place to vote but here, and the active community on a 'good' day generally doesn't rise past 100. So at best, I can't really expect much more than 15 - 20 votes, and if what I'm hearing about the 3rd day only getting 3 - 4 votes is true, I think that's being very generous. The so called mass confusion is overly exaggerated.
 

T.L

Well-Known Member
#40
Shirotsume said:
Actually, in an irl vote, they would just keep the results.

Voting offices are allowed to close whenever the fuck they wish. Saying that it would be open "four days" would have just been a general courtesy, and wouldn't have been required to be followed, and that office could still close whenever the hell they wished for any reason they wished, including "I wanted a sandwich."
Trying to draw an analogy to real politics will only kill whatever point you have.



Also, cry me a fucking river about how an election got closed early after all the votes were in.

Oh wait, you are.
Actually they are not.
You will find that they are bound by voting Rules. Which you set out.
That is why there are UN electoral observers in countries that have troubled elections.
Even though the election for mod3 was a forgone conclusion the fact that it was tampered with clouds the result.
Ergo now we have angst.
Seeing how this is this particular forum, Why no response from Admin and Mods???
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#41
Shirotsume said:
Actually, in an irl vote, they would just keep the results.

Voting offices are allowed to close whenever the fuck they wish. Saying that it would be open "four days" would have just been a general courtesy, and wouldn't have been required to be followed, and that office could still close whenever the hell they wished for any reason they wished, including "I wanted a sandwich."
Trying to draw an analogy to real politics will only kill whatever point you have.


Also, cry me a fucking river about how an election got closed early after all the votes were in.

Oh wait, you are.
Quite frankly, you don't know that. None of us do. Yeah, you can get an average from the people who voted in previous elections, but that's not guaranteed to be accurate.

Fact is, the forum has more members than the number of people who voted, there is always a chance those people for whatever reason will decide to vote.

Closing the vote early killed that possibility, thus denying everyone the chance to vote in the agreed amount of time.
 

Cosgrove

Well-Known Member
#42
Vexarian said:
Cosgrove said:
I'm going to be completely honest here about this:

I don't give a fuck about the elections and the more I HAVE to hear about this, mostly from you Vex because of how much you've posted about it, the more I want things to remain the way they are.

Did they mess up the elections? Probably.

Was there dirty politics involved? Without a doubt.

But honestly? From what I saw in that thread, you were just as guilty of the 'dirty politics' as Zephyrus with your whole 'fuck Chronodekar because people are against me!' which seems to be the attitude you still have, which makes it kind of funny that you're calling out the election for 'fraud.'

That's why a new election doesn't interest me. Because it won't be 'people vote for who they want' it'll be another 'fuck that guy, everyone I know vote for this guy because that asshole voted for him!' kinda like you and Zephyrus pulled last time. Even if you're pulled from candidates, Vex, I'm still expecting you to try to screw over Chronodekar, who didn't do anything wrong, out of sheer spite for 'the administration.'

Which is why I'm fine with how things are. The person, Chronodekar, was the most polite candidate who had been in the lead and if we do another election, I'll have to keep hearing about this shit even more when I'm already sick of it.
Cry me a fucking river about having to suffer through things you don't have to deal with, or how perfectly fucking okay you are with this sort of behavior out of our elected officials (as one's very first fucking official act I might add).
To be honest, I don't have a problem with giving more time to the election to cover the 23 hours that were not done.

But I don't think the administration should bend over backwards to accommodate someone who is acting like a whiny little bitch. You, that is.

Everyone else at least acts respectably, even the other peopel who want a new election or it at least opened up for the remaining time. You're upset because someone won because Zephyrus didn't want you to win. That's what this boils down to. You couldn't win, so you can't stand someone else, even if they acted decently, winning because one of the people who voted for him did it under the banner 'I don't want Vex or Ryuugi to win.'

That's the real goddamn reason you want this election because you'll try to rig things to have everyone vote for, if not Ryuugi, then someone who isn't Chronodekar because of how things turned out.

Am I wrong? Because that's exactly how I see things going considering that I've yet to see you act like anything else than a spiteful asshole concerning the administration, Zephyrus, Chronodekar, or anything else since this election has ended.

Maybe instead of blaming everyone else and throwing a shitfit over this all, you should sit down, shut up and maybe, maybe, realize that your actions are more than a little bit responsible for how things turned out in the first place.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#43
TC_Hazard said:
Shirotsume said:
Actually, in an irl vote, they would just keep the results.

Voting offices are allowed to close whenever the fuck they wish. Saying that it would be open "four days" would have just been a general courtesy, and wouldn't have been required to be followed, and that office could still close whenever the hell they wished for any reason they wished, including "I wanted a sandwich."
Trying to draw an analogy to real politics will only kill whatever point you have.


Also, cry me a fucking river about how an election got closed early after all the votes were in.

Oh wait, you are.
Quite frankly, you don't know that. None of us do. Yeah, you can get an average from the people who voted in previous elections, but that's not guaranteed to be accurate.

Fact is, the forum has more members than the number of people who voted, there is always a chance those people for whatever reason will decide to vote.

Closing the vote early killed that possibility, thus denying everyone the chance to vote in the agreed amount of time.
The point is, we had 5 other elections that definitively proved that a certain number of votes could be expected each day. At this point, chrono has/had a 13 vote lead. Expecting 13 new votes even in the original 23 hours left would have been utter madness.
 

Zephyrus

Searching for the six-fingered man.
#44
Ok.

Where the FUCK are these allegations coming from that I played dirty politics? I don't even know how people are getting this impression. Well, I'm sure it's mostly because Vex is convinced I have the entire forum in my pocket.

Here's why Vex thinks I rigged the election:

1. I don't like him and made no secret of the fact. Some people agreed with my opinion.

2. In the third election thread, I asked my voters (all fucking THREE of them), all of which were on IRC, to cast their vote for someone other than myself since it was clear that I wouldn't win. Knowing how I feel about Vex, they cast their vote for either Chronodekar or Ryuugi.

Why Vex thinks I waved a wand and made him lose the election, I have no fucking clue.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#45
I can't speak for the other two voters, but when zeph asked for me to vote for someone else so it "wouldn't be wasted," I voted for chrono of my own doing, not due to Zeph's feelings on any of the potential mods.
 

T.L

Well-Known Member
#46
Election: Mod 3
This election is for the third and final mod position. You have one choice.

This poll will be open for four (4) days.

EDIT: If you'd like to make a final appeal, I encourage you to do so!
If 1 Admin says there is 4 days and another closes it early then there is a fundamental problem.
Irrespective of how many people voted over the previous 4 polls.
If on average 120 people voted over the previous polls, that still doesn't matter as there were 11,241 members who if they decided were unable to vote.

You can't change the rules after the fact

Admin needs to step in to fix the problem that admin created.
 

chronodekar

Obsessively signs his posts
Staff member
#47
I just finished an IRC discussion with Wata over this matter (extending the election for 24 hours).

First off; I want to say something openly - I like being a moderator. It's the first time I've been granted a REAL responsibility on an online forum and want to be given the chance to prove my worth.

That said, my position is useless if notable, respected & well known forum members keep throwing accusations of the election being rigged. More important than me staying a moderator is that we ALL work to ensure that TFF remains a place people can come to talk about (and create) fanfiction.

In the hope of bringing this entire debate to a close, I have given my approval to Wata (over IRC) to extend the election by another 24 hours with the following conditions,

1. We continue EXACTLY where we left. Which means that no new candidates enter the election and those who openly admitted to dropping out, stay dropped out.
2. This should bring the matter to a CLOSE. If we are doing this, there should be NO further arguments or mud-slinging after its over.
3. ALL the other candidates in the moderator race should willingly (without death threats) accept the extension.

For reference here is a copy of the IRC discussion we had (hidden behind spoilers),

Code:
[10:14] <Zeph> Oh, Watashiwa.
[10:15] <Zeph> Question for you.
[10:17] <@Watashiwa> Sup?
[10:18] <Zeph> Are moderators/admins going to officially reply to the appeals thread?
[10:18] <@Watashiwa> If we feel the appeal has merit.
[10:19] <@Watashiwa> chronodekar is actually afk right now
[10:19] <@Watashiwa> He'll be back Monday I think.
[10:20] <@Watashiwa> So I'm going to wait until then, get all the admin staff together, and decide what to do about the election once and for all.
[10:20] * Zeph nods.
[10:38] <chronodekar> Wata - I'm not on the best of internet connections right now
[10:39] <chronodekar> but I'm willing to talk if you need me for anything.
[10:40] * Quits: Zephyrus (~Zephyrus@216.146.234.59) (Connection reset by peer)
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[10:40] * Joins: Zephyrus (~Zephyrus@216.146.234.59)
[10:41] * Joins: mib_s0g0br (3aaf20c3@ircip1.mibbit.com)
[10:42] * Quits: Zeph (~Zephyrus@216.146.234.59) (Ping timeout)
[10:43] <@Watashiwa> Oh hey
[10:43] <chronodekar> Wata?
[10:43] <chronodekar> ah good.
[10:43] <@Watashiwa> Yeah, just saw you were here
[10:43] <chronodekar> Was just typing a PM to you.
[10:43] * chronodekar cancels PM
[10:43] <@Watashiwa> Doing three separate things at once
[10:44] <chronodekar> Oh dear... that isn't easy.
[10:44] <@Watashiwa> So yeah, just wanting to get your thoughts on the last of the election drama.
[10:44] <@Watashiwa> I'm considering re-opening voting for 24 hours.
[10:45] <@Watashiwa> Since you're the one who'd be affected by that, I was wondering if you were in favor at all
[10:45] <@Watashiwa> I'm not going to do it if you'd prefer not.
[10:45] <chronodekar> In the interest of keeping the peace I'll accept it; but have a few concerns.
[10:46] <@Watashiwa> Such as?
[10:46] <chronodekar> I would prefer to continue as we left it - no adding new candidates and anyone who willingly left, STAYS out of the race.
[10:46] <chronodekar> is that unfair?
[10:47] <chronodekar> personally, I don't want to have a new election
[10:47] <@Watashiwa> Neither do I.
[10:47] <Zephcemi> So.
[10:47] <@Watashiwa> I'd reopen the old poll
[10:47] <chronodekar> *yeah,
[10:47] <chronodekar> if it will make them happy (or at least give more legitimacy to my 'moderatorship')
[10:47] <chronodekar> then go ahead.
[10:47] <chronodekar> but make sure they agree.
[10:48] <chronodekar> we don't want people complaining that you "suddenly" opened the thread for 24 hours without telling anyone 
[10:48] <chronodekar> or some nonsense like it again.
[10:48] <@Watashiwa> Nope
[10:48] <chronodekar> if we are opening the matter again, we better close it for good this time.
[10:48] <@Watashiwa> I'd announce it in the header
[10:48] * Quits: mib_s0g0br (3aaf20c3@ircip1.mibbit.com) (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[10:48] <@Watashiwa> Give it until Wednesday
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[10:49] <chronodekar> that's good with me.
[10:49] <@Watashiwa> In exchange we lock the thread in the appeals thread
[10:49] <chronodekar> I have a job interview on monday and will be travelling on tuesday.
[10:49] <chronodekar> wednesday is in time for me to be back
[10:49] <chronodekar> hold on;
[10:49] <@Watashiwa> The election restarts, but the results are final
[10:49] <chronodekar> this affects one more person
[10:49] <@Watashiwa> Er, reopens
[10:49] <chronodekar> Ryuugi and the other candidates in the race
[10:49] <chronodekar> ASK them too first
[10:50] <chronodekar> before you re-open the thread.
[10:50] <chronodekar> do so ONLY if they say yes.
[10:50] <chronodekar> it won't be fair otherwise, I think.
[10:50] <@Watashiwa> That's why we don't go until Wednesday
[10:50] <chronodekar> you have the YES from me.
[10:50] <chronodekar> Let's all hope its enough to END the matter.
[10:51] <Zephcemi> You know, chronodekar. You're an ok guy.
[10:51] <@Watashiwa> Right, that's our demand.
[10:51] <@Watashiwa> This is final.
[10:51] <Zephcemi> I appreciate you being so awesome about this.
[10:51] <@Watashiwa> No bitching or moaning on pain of tempban
[10:51] <chronodekar> Thanks Zephcemi :)
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[10:52] <@Watashiwa> Hey Hazard
[10:52] <@Watashiwa> Much experience with IRC?
[10:52] <@Watashiwa> try /name "your name" instead of dropping in or out
[10:52] <Zephcemi> or  /nick
[10:53] <@Watashiwa> derp, that's what I meant
[10:55] <chronodekar> Wata - can I make a thread about this IRC discussion?
[10:55] <@Watashiwa> Nah, I'll do it.
[10:55] <chronodekar> May as well 'officially' tell people what my stance is.
[10:55] <@Watashiwa> Hmm
[10:55] <chronodekar> won't they want to hear it from me?
[10:55] <chronodekar> alright
[10:55] <chronodekar> make the thread - I'll reply in it.
[10:55] <@Watashiwa> Rather than a new post, just use the Appeals thread
[10:55] <@Watashiwa> And no, you're right, coming from you it's better.
[10:55] <TL> Just use the appeals thread
[10:56] <chronodekar> the current appeal Vex started or a new one?
[10:56] <@Watashiwa> The one he started
[10:56] <chronodekar> alright.
[10:56] <chronodekar> give me some time to word this out.

I'm leaving it to Watashiwa to handle the implementation details. If he disagrees or wants to change any of the 'conditions' I asked for, I'm going to trust his judgement. Do NOT go around complaining that Wata broke an agreement or something. If I have an issue with anything he does, I'll make an appeal myself. I do NOT want anyone to do so in my name or something equally moronic.

Hoping to conclude the mess,
chronodekar
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#48
I'd actually prefer that all candidates that dropped out be re-instituted. They can drop out again if they so choose, but it's only fair that everyone have another shot at modship.

The other issue I'll have to insist on is campaigning. That is, no more of it. It became toxic and unhelpful in the moderator race and I absolutely have no intention of seeing it on the board again. The thread can come back but the second the flamers come on it gets locked again.
 

chronodekar

Obsessively signs his posts
Staff member
#49
Watashiwa,

I've essentially given you a blank check to redo the election process as you see fit. Go ahead - but please get the OK from the other candidates as well.

On the matter of campaigning - under the condition that we talk ONLY about ourselves (and absolutely NOTHING about ANY other candidate), can we still do it?

Doesn't seem like an election to me otherwise. Either way, you already have my approval.

-chronodekar
 

T.L

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I still recommend no campaigning it's what started the BS.
 
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