Anull the results of Election 3 and do it over

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Lord Raine

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#51
Cosgrove said:
Vexarian said:
Cosgrove said:
I'm going to be completely honest here about this:

I don't give a fuck about the elections and the more I HAVE to hear about this, mostly from you Vex because of how much you've posted about it, the more I want things to remain the way they are.

Did they mess up the elections? Probably.

Was there dirty politics involved? Without a doubt.

But honestly? From what I saw in that thread, you were just as guilty of the 'dirty politics' as Zephyrus with your whole 'fuck Chronodekar because people are against me!' which seems to be the attitude you still have, which makes it kind of funny that you're calling out the election for 'fraud.'

That's why a new election doesn't interest me. Because it won't be 'people vote for who they want' it'll be another 'fuck that guy, everyone I know vote for this guy because that asshole voted for him!' kinda like you and Zephyrus pulled last time. Even if you're pulled from candidates, Vex, I'm still expecting you to try to screw over Chronodekar, who didn't do anything wrong, out of sheer spite for 'the administration.'

Which is why I'm fine with how things are. The person, Chronodekar, was the most polite candidate who had been in the lead and if we do another election, I'll have to keep hearing about this shit even more when I'm already sick of it.
Cry me a fucking river about having to suffer through things you don't have to deal with, or how perfectly fucking okay you are with this sort of behavior out of our elected officials (as one's very first fucking official act I might add).
To be honest, I don't have a problem with giving more time to the election to cover the 23 hours that were not done.

But I don't think the administration should bend over backwards to accommodate someone who is acting like a whiny little bitch. You, that is.
It's not about the administration bending over backwards for Vex.

It's about the administration bending over backwards to rectify the fact that one of their number completely invalidated the entire electoral process. That Vexarian was a candidate is, quite frankly, completely irrelevant, and that you would discard his objection solely on those grounds is both disgusting and galling.

The only one responsible for Ero's behavior is himself, and quite frankly, he has behaved appallingly. Not only did he ragelock the thread, which isn't at all the sort of attitude a moderator should have, but he then thinks he can laugh it off as "not being a big deal," and spamming softcore hentai everywhere, like that makes it okay or something.

Did Vexarian behave poorly? Probably.

Does that in any way have anything to do with what this is about? No, not really. Ero is responsible for himself, and if Vex can make him do things just by posting words on the internet, then he, at the very least, doesn't have the self-control for the position.

There needs to be a re-election. Ero invalidated the process by halting it prematurely. These are facts. Any merits or demerits of Vexarian are irrelevant to them.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#52
While it's nice that Chronodekar approves of... whatever the fuck this is. I find the idea that taking action requires his approval to be fucking appalling.

It's his position at stake here, sure it's not his fault that this is happening, but he is still biased, and is obviously biased, it takes absolutely no thought whatsoever to realize that.

And I find these requirements to be ridiculous. There is no reason to simply restart the election, that's stupid, counter-intuitive and is entirely unlikely to draw as much attention as the original thread should have or would have.

As I and others have said, there is absolutely no reason not to simply scrape it and do it over. Unless Chronodekar acquired his votes through ritualistic sacrifice, he'll still get them in Mod 3 Election 2: Electric Boogaloo, and there would be absolutely no question as to the legitimacy of his position or the election as a whole.

This? This is simply confusing, not to mention condescending. "Oh? You want a fair election? Well, I guess, maybe I can give one to you."

This whole fucking fiasco is honestly making me think extremely poorly of all our current moderators. Watashiwa has just been ignoring this for days on end. Ero fucking started it. Souffle has been doing nothing but mocking everyone. Chronodekar and GenocideHeart are as of right now the only ones I retain any respect for whatsoever. Chrono for not having spoken at all about the matter until now, which was perhaps unintentionally an ethically sound position, and GenocideHeart has been reasonable if on the wrong side.
 

Lord Raine

Well-Known Member
#54
While that's a lot of rage for not much cause, there's another fair point in that.

Chronodekar will get the votes he had before, unless the people who voted for him suddenly decide not to. He would only lose a new election from the start if he would have lost it the first time. And starting it over removes the ability for anyone to complain about the results. If it's all above-board, all visible, with no counting votes or reopening anything, and it's for the same amount of time as the last one was, then there's no possible thing to complain about.

If it's not done completely legitimately, then there will always be the bit of it that wasn't that others can latch on to and say "yes, but they fucked this up, see." So that's a strong motivation to do it like that, above and beyond anything else. I think we can all agree that we need to move past this as quickly as we can. No one stands to profit anything if this drags out for two weeks. Just restart the election. It's the simplest and cleanest solution, and also the most fair and legitimate.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#55
This whole fucking fiasco is honestly making me think extremely poorly of all our current moderators.
All this fiasco has done is made me think extremely poorly of YOU, Vex.



To the people asking for a complete new election under the reasoning of "It will stop people complaining!"

No. It will not. No matter how this issue is addressed, people will still bitch about how it was handled and there will always be a chunk of people bitching about the outcome.

Quite frankly, I'm in favor of shutting all this down and moving the fuck on. Bowing in any way to such a childish display of bitchery by a bunch of fuckwads sends the wrong message.

It's like trying to negotiate with terrorists.
 

Vexarian

Well-Known Member
#56
Shirotsume said:
This whole fucking fiasco is honestly making me think extremely poorly of all our current moderators.
All this fiasco has done is made me think extremely poorly of YOU, Vex.



To the people asking for a complete new election under the reasoning of "It will stop people complaining!"

No. It will not. No matter how this issue is addressed, people will still bitch about how it was handled and there will always be a chunk of people bitching about the outcome.

Quite frankly, I'm in favor of shutting all this down and moving the fuck on. Bowing in any way to such a childish display of bitchery by a bunch of fuckwads sends the wrong message.

It's like trying to negotiate with terrorists.
Ronald Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

Are you calling into question the wisdom of the Jesus Figure of the modern GOP?
 

Lord Raine

Well-Known Member
#57
Quite frankly, I'm in favor of shutting all this down and moving the fuck on. Bowing in any way to such a childish display of bitchery by a bunch of fuckwads sends the wrong message.

It's like trying to negotiate with terrorists.
This is the voice that would have you believe it speaks reason.
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#58
I can laugh it off because I recognize I screwed up. Shock, awe and amazement I have admitted my fuck up (for like the third time).

I also washed my hands of it but since I'm up to my neck in it that's kind of pointless, yes?
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#59
T.L said:
Election: Mod 3
This election is for the third and final mod position. You have one choice.

This poll will be open for four (4) days.

EDIT: If you'd like to make a final appeal, I encourage you to do so!
If 1 Admin says there is 4 days and another closes it early then there is a fundamental problem.
Irrespective of how many people voted over the previous 4 polls.
If on average 120 people voted over the previous polls, that still doesn't matter as there were 11,241 members who if they decided were unable to vote.

You can't change the rules after the fact

Admin needs to step in to fix the problem that admin created.
I was going to reply to Shirotsume, but these are pretty much my feelings on the matter.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#60
All right, let's do this nice and official like.

The final decision of the mod staff is that, as 24 hours were lost from the poll, it is only fair that 24 hours are given back. This is in line with the expressed opinion of most TFFers. No further action will be taken. This thread will be closed in 12 hours after which time the matter will be considered closed, the appeal having been met.
 

Watashiwa

Administrator
Staff member
#62
Wednesday, as per chronodekar's suggestion.

Quoting my own post for the new page:
Watashiwa said:
All right, let's do this nice and official like.

The final decision of the mod staff is that, as 24 hours were lost from the poll, it is only fair that 24 hours are given back. This is in line with the expressed opinion of most TFFers. No further action will be taken. This thread will be closed in 12 hours after which time the matter will be considered closed, the appeal having been met.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#63
Lord Raine said:
Quite frankly, I'm in favor of shutting all this down and moving the fuck on. Bowing in any way to such a childish display of bitchery by a bunch of fuckwads sends the wrong message.

It's like trying to negotiate with terrorists.
This is the voice that would have you believe it speaks reason.
You're retarded, you know that? I don't have to be unbiased anymore. I voluntarily gave up adminship, because I don't fucking want it.

I understand you saw some drama and you were like OO ME TOO, but actually learn what the fuck is going on.
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#64
Hey LR, Shirotsume's not in any position of authority anymore.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#65
Why are you taking away my fun? :<
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
#66
Because I'm the stop-having-fun guy now and if people insist on making this drag on with superfluous and inflammatory back and forth that is NOT conductive to the matter at hand, I will start hitting people with hammers. They've got their reopened poll, and if they're not happy with that, then oh well.
 

Muramasa

Well-Known Member
#68
Common sense says the poll wouldn't be immediately reactivated again, and it's also inside the announcement box at the top of most forum pages.

If there really is any confusion at the time of the vote, you have nothing but ignorance to blame.
 

Jakkun

Well-Known Member
#69
I'd say the only confusion anyone could have is what time the poll will reopen. They have made everything else pretty clear. It will be Wednesday, for 24 hours. If you haven't figured that out, you must not be reading anything. So, please read things before commenting.
 
#70
The Ero-Sennin said:
Because I'm the stop-having-fun guy now and if people insist on making this drag on with superfluous and inflammatory back and forth that is NOT conductive to the matter at hand, I will start hitting people with hammers. They've got their reopened poll, and if they're not happy with that, then oh well.
Has any of these posts been reported by the person insulted? If not, this is probably the reason people are concerned with the current attitude of the admin team. I personally couldn't care less who was the boss here, but it is a bit of a concern to see the rules which had been voted in being tossed out in favour of different rules, which haven't been clarified in the appropriate way.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#71
Why? Keep in mind, an appeal isn't nessecarily going to be granted, and most likely not in the way the apealer proposes. Sitting here and bitching in an appeal thread after the issue is closed is pretty retarded.
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#72
Jaysues said:
The Ero-Sennin said:
Because I'm the stop-having-fun guy now and if people insist on making this drag on with superfluous and inflammatory back and forth that is NOT conductive to the matter at hand, I will start hitting people with hammers. They've got their reopened poll, and if they're not happy with that, then oh well.
Has any of these posts been reported by the person insulted? If not, this is probably the reason people are concerned with the current attitude of the admin team. I personally couldn't care less who was the boss here, but it is a bit of a concern to see the rules which had been voted in being tossed out in favour of different rules, which haven't been clarified in the appropriate way.
Congratulations Ero-Sennin, you have just insured this line of discussion will continue.

Threatening people with bans if they don't drop an issue (which just happens to be disagreement with the staff) is not the way to instill faith in our new mod system. Hell, this type of concern is exactly why this shit started in the first place.

Look, I get you guys are still learning the ropes of this thing, but the rules are there for both sides.

It's better to let the posters vent and bitch and moan. We all do that at one point.

The opposite just makes the problem worse. Hell, it gives a legitimate grievance.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#73
No, ero-sennin didn't just continue the discussion, you just fucking did.

Now stop.
 

TC_Hazard

Well-Known Member
#74
Shirotsume said:
No, ero-sennin didn't just continue the discussion, you just fucking did.

Now stop.
Come on dude, you can't really tell me you don't see how this directly connects with the concerns raised repeatedly by posters.

It should be fairly self-evident. I'm merely advising against a course of action I see as unwise for all involved.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
#75
This appeal is closed. The issue was dealt with. If people keep spamming this thread, he will temp ban.

There are rules for each side. Guess fucking what? The rules explicitly say he is in the right.
 
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