Avatar:TLA Miscellaneous Ideas Thread

If the new child's mother was anyone other than Iroh's wife, it doesn't matter who that mother is, the child would still be illegitimate, and the question of proper succession would still be an issue which could split the nation. That would especially be the case if the mother wasn't even Fire Nation, because it begs the image of the royal house possibly being "polluted" by "mongrel blood".

Could be interesting.
 

zeebee1

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If the northern Water Tribe kidnapped all water benders Katara would not still be in the Southern Water Tribe.
 
Unless she was born/came into her powers after the raids.
 

SotF

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nuclear death frog said:
If the new child's mother was anyone other than Iroh's wife, it doesn't matter who that mother is, the child would still be illegitimate, and the question of proper succession would still be an issue which could split the nation. That would especially be the case if the mother wasn't even Fire Nation, because it begs the image of the royal house possibly being "polluted" by "mongrel blood".

Could be interesting.
He could have married her, if for no other reason than to give that legitimacy to his kid, and the idea does have his first wife having died quite some time earlier. His father might shrug it off as Iroh finally getting over his deceased wife and moving on, hoping that the girl would be someone from a higher placed family that could tighten the loyalty of some of the nobles.

Thing is that Azulon and Ozai wouldn't have a clue at that point to the fact that Iroh married someone from the Earth Kingdom, or even an Earth Bender...

For added amusement, imagine if he ends up as Toph's uncle as well...
 
Jryu said:
This is an idea that is well beyond my meager abilities to write...

The concept, in a nut shell, is that the 100 years of war is not nearly so... clear cut. When Aang wakes up, the world isn't the Fire Nation vs. Everyone Else... it's an "Each Element for Itself" free for all across the entire planet, and even that can be misleading...
I'm actually writing a universe like this.

Only not even the elements are united. Their are a total of 9* factions, and they're all evil bastards in their own way.

Yeah, it's gonna suck to be Aang.


*Actually, there might be a few more, and one faction splits mid story.
 

Herdo

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Hmm, after watching some AMVs lately about A:TLA, I have been bothered with a minor plot bunny. I do not know if this idea have been done before or if it sucks, as my knowledge with the universe is very weak. But here it is anyway:

Ahem. The air nomads said that their young air-bender Aang, who had been chosen as the Avatar, was destined for greatness. Both because of being the Avatar and being a powerful prodigy in Air-bending.

But their praise to him led to the young boy gaining a terrifying insane and bloated ego, which led to him considering his gifts and powers as divine, and completely earned, meaning that he sought the path to godhood.

Naturally this led to conflicts between Aang and the Air nomads, who tried to stop him, but in his lunatic mind he saw them as insults of his grandness and began a brutal genocide of his brethren.

But in the final moments of the civil war, right after Aang made a insane declaration of immortality and invinciblity, the final Air Bender master managed to wound the self-proclaimed god, and gave some final words that Aang could never be considered a divine being as a mortal had managed to injure him. This led to Aang being driven even further into insanity, slaughtering his final kin and setting off into the sky and over the ocean, to train himself into true godhood. And he was never seen again for over 100 years, hidden inside a hurricane thundering over the ocean, which he had created himself.

That is the prologue. When the story starts after 100 years of the eradication of the Air Nomads, the rest of the nations is at their war, aiming for dominace. But a small fleet of Water Benders, led by the prodigy Katara, on their journey to plunder some villages in Fire Nation, notice a enormous storm coming towards them in a unnatural speed. They try to avoid it but the storm wrecks their ships as it hurries towards the powerful Fire Nation, which is the start of Aang's invasion of the pitiful mortals, a holy crusade to convert all mortals into his followers. Thus begins the war against the mighty Air bender and Avatar Aang, who can control the weather at will, as the other nations will do their best in order to defend themselves against this terrifying foe. Perhaps they might even put their own hatred against eachothers and band together to wear the storm out?

That is the basic plot. Aang becomes crazy through delusions in his youth, decides to become a god, which according to him fits his status perfectly, and in order to be a god he needs worshipers, which he will forcefully convert into his new religion, as we follow the war between him and the rest of the world.

Pairings are unlikely, but possible.
Aang will be over 100 years old, but he is still very much alive thanks to his willpower, though his age is catching up on him physically.
Aang will be able to control the weather due to the many years of training. Meaning he can create hurricanes, tornados, change and control air pressure, and create vacuums. And of course the ability to fly and make other things levitate. A very powerful, dangerous and formidable foe indeed.
Aang, and quite possible a lot of characters would be OOC when compared to canon. Which means a Lunatic!Warmongering!Aang.

Now then: how can this plotbunny be made into something good/interesting/original? I have after all very limited knowledge of the fandom. :sweat2:
 

crazyfoxdemon

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Since he's the Avatar... I assume he can bend all the other elements to godly degrees right?
 

nick012000

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Wouldn't the assorted spirits, who are, you know, actually gods be sort of unenthusiastic about an overly-arrogant Avatar trying to usurp their place?
 

Herdo

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Since he's the Avatar... I assume he can bend all the other elements to godly degrees right?
Well yeah, he can bend and master all elements. But personally I think the idea would be better if he only use Air bending, but he have the potential of learning and mastering all elements. If he will do that or stick with just Air bending is up to the author.

Since he's the Avatar... I assume he can bend all the other elements to godly degrees right?
It would be just like Zeebee1 said. They will punish him (for eternity) when he dies, both for trying to achieve a status a mortal shall not have, and for fucking up the balance between the elements forever. He is after all the last Air Bender, meaning that the cycle is broken at his death (Unless he sires some children, which would be extremely unlikely considering this plot). Don't assume that Aang is immortal just because he believe he is. He will die just like any normal mortal.
As for the gods not acting earlier, well that could be excused by something like they don't meddle in mortal affairs or something clichÚ like that.
 
zeebee1 said:
They'll just punish the avatar spirit after he dies.
Unless he goes Kefka on them, anyway.
 
I don't like the above idea at all.
 
Which one, God Complex!Aang, or Kefka!Aang?
 
Dark Knight Gafgar said:
Which one, God Complex!Aang, or Kefka!Aang?
Both.
 
nuclear death frog said:
Dark Knight Gafgar said:
Which one, God Complex!Aang, or Kefka!Aang?
Both.
Honestly, I'm sort of inclined to agree. A God!Complex Avatar might be interesting... but Aang's the wrong person for it. I mean, it's just not in his personality. Aang has flaws, but that sort of "I am better than you" just isn't one of them. Heck if I made a list of all the main characters likelhood to develop god-complexes Aang would probably be at the bottem.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I love AU's, and I love exploring how the characters can change, but the character your describing isn't Aang, even an AU version, it's an OC with Aang's name stamped on..
 

Maelgrim

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Indeed, you might be able to swing him having a very subtle one; more him just thinking he's better than everyone else and patronising EVERYONE but nothing this overt.
 
I can't see any of the known Avatars going the God Complex route. Some of them were a bit heavy-handed, but that's not even close to the same thing.

You want an Avatar to go this route, it'll probably need an entirely OC cast, and that would have high odds of being massive failure.
 

SoftRogue

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nuclear death frog said:
I can't see any of the known Avatars going the God Complex route. Some of them were a bit heavy-handed, but that's not even close to the same thing.

You want an Avatar to go this route, it'll probably need an entirely OC cast, and that would have high odds of being massive failure.
You know...for some reason I now want to see someone wright a Gilgamesh!Avatar fic. I doubt it could be pulled off as Aang, but possibility one of the previous Avatars...
 
zeebee1 said:
Making him look up to Yang Chen would be a start.
How the heck do people get "I am a God/better than everyone else" out of "Don't detach yourself from the world?"

From the avatar spirit.net transcript.

Avatar Yangchen: (Camera pans across the sideview of the 2 airbenders) Many great and wise air nomads have detached themselves and achieved spiritual enlightenment but the Avatar (Cut to a frontal shot of Yangchen) can never do it because your sole duty is to the World. Here is my wisdom for you, (Cut to a frontal shot of a shocked Aang) selfless duty (Camera slowly zooms out) calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever (Camera pauses behind YangchenÆs back as she begins to dissipate) it takes to protect the World.
Note the quote both says "great and wise" in relation to the air nomads (which doesn't jive with a disrespect for them at all) and, much more importantly, selfless duty. The idea that looking up to Yangchen would produce a god complex doe snot strike me as reasonable.

None of the Avatars are god complex material. And, more importantly, Aang isn't. And I'm not talking in the merely in the "canon Aang" way. I mean it's just not in his make up. Aang has problems facing responsibility, taking charge, owing up, you could even argue that he has a certain innocent arrogance. But that kind of "I am more worth than you" is not Aang. He's not more likely to become it than Katara is likely to become a boxer who drinks a kegger every night.

If you want to do this story then simply have the Avatar spirit pass to some other child (an OC). Because that's what this would be. The character is going to have no relation to canon Aang.
 

zeebee1

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From what I remember Yang Chen was absolutely ruthless in her duties. She was about as ruthless you could be without being evil. And even then she walked the path of good intentions.
 

Hypothesis

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Go the opposite direction.

Aang doesn't believe that he is better than the rest of the world. He believes the rest of the world should be better than they are. He'll drag them kicking and screaming into peace and prosperity if he has to. So he's got some problems owning up to mistakes, or lapses in judgment, or more than a bit of childish naivety on how people work?

Some people fear what he will bring, rightfully so. Some believe he can do no wrong, for good reason. His purpose is balance but balance is suffering and pain and people hurting each other...

He's the Avatar.

He'll make it right.
 
zeebee1 said:
From what I remember Yang Chen was absolutely ruthless in her duties. She was about as ruthless you could be without being evil. And even then she walked the path of good intentions.
You remember wrong . Yangchen entire character consists of two sections.

From the Finale.
Avatar Yangchen: I am Avatar Yangchen, young airbender.
Aang: (off screen) Avatar Yangchen, the monks alwaysá taught me that all life is sacred. Even the life of the tiniest spider-fly caught in its own web.
Avatar Yangchen: Yes, all life is sacred.
Aang: I know, IÆm even a vegetarian. IÆve always tried to solve my problems by being quick or clever and IÆve only had to use violence for necessary defence and IÆve certainly never used it to take a life.
Avatar Yangchen:Avatar Aang, I know that youÆre a gently spirit and the monks have taught you well. But this isnÆt about you,á this is about the World.
Aang: But the monks taught me that I had to detach myself from the World so my spirit could be free.
Avatar Yangchen: Many great and wise air nomads have detached themselves and achieved spiritual enlightenment but the Avatar can never do it because your sole duty is to the World. Here is my wisdom for you,á calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever it takes to protect the World.
That's it. Absolutely nowhere does it ever state she was ruthless. All she states is that the Avatar cannot detach themselves from the world, and leaves the implication that they sometimes must kill. That's it.

Furthermore let's take a look at the sections from "escape from the spirit world"
Aang: Hello? Avatar Yangchen? Anyone here?

(Yangchen fades into existence in front of Aang and Hei Bai. She wears adult Air Nomad clothes: orange overcoat with long sleeves, a long, yellow tunic underneath, and a yellow waistband. She has a necklace pendant similar to the one Monk Gyatso wore.)

Yangchen: It's an honor to meet you, Aang.
Aang: It's been such an amazing experience to meet my past lives.
Yangchen: (Focus on Yangchen's face. She has a blue Airbender Master arrow on her forehead and long, brown hair that starts at the top of her head) And what did you learn by meeting them?
Aang: Well... I realized that no Avatar is perfect. They all struggled and made mistakes. Like me.
Yangchen: Very wise.
Aang: (close-up on his face) But it made me wonder - why is the Avatar Spirit a human in every life? Wouldn't it be better if the Avatar was an all-powerful spirit that never died?
Yangchen: I don't think so.

(Flashes into images as Yangchen speaks. We first see Katara doing a waterbending move. Sokka holding his boomerang appears as Yangchen begins to talk.)

Yangchen: (voice-over) The Avatar must be compassionate towards all people... (Toph appears in front of Sokka and Katara, between them, and in an earthbending pose, then Iroh appears standing next to Toph wearing Ba Sing Se clothes. Then Zuko appears behind Iroh, wearing his "Crossroads of Destiny" clothes) ...and the only way to do that is to live with them.

(Another flash and we see Appa being carried away by the sandbenders.)

Yangchen: (voice over) The Avatar must experience sadness... (Cut to Aang's face, crying). Anger... (cut to Aang in the Avatar State with robes flowing) Joy... (Cut to Aang and Katara penguin-sledding) ...and happiness.

(Cut to the image of the Gaang right after they recover Appa, from "The Earth King". Flashes end, and we go back to Aang and Yangchen's conversation at the top of the mountain.)

Yangchen: By feeling all these emotions, it helps you understand how precious human life is.... so you will do anything to protect it. (Zoom out and we see Aang, Yangchen and Hei Bai, who is lying on the ground) If you were an all-powerfull spirit living on the top of some mountain.... you wouldn't have much in common with an ordinary person.

(We see Yangchen from the front, and behind her we see ghostly images of the other three Avatars, starting with Kuruk closest to Yangchen, then Kyoshi behind Kuruk, and finally Roku, behind Kyoshi.)

Yangchen: So the Avatar continues to take human rebirth. And with each life, learns what it means to be human.
Aang: Now that I've reconnected with all of you, does that mean the Avatar Spirit is okay?
Yangchen: Yes. But your physical body is still injured. You need time to heal.

(Yangchen touches Aang's forehead. Aang's arrow tattoo starts glowing and so do Yangchen's hand and forehead arrows.)

Yangchen: And unfortunately, it seems your ability to enter the Avatar State has been disrupted. You won't be able to rely on your past lives to help you. You must rely on your friends. And when you wake up, you won't remember this journey to the Spirit World. It will be like a forgotten dream.

(Yangchen starts to fade away.)

Yangchen: Until we meet again, Aang.
So she activly state that the Avatar must experience human emotion, be human, love people and "understand how precious human life is". She actively rejects the idea of a great spirit Avtar judging humans from on high while not being of them. An active rejection of the "above you all good intentions model. Hyperruthless Yangchen is completely fanon.

Hypothesis said:
Aang doesn't believe that he is better than the rest of the world. He believes the rest of the world should be better than they are. He'll drag them kicking and screaming into peace and prosperity if he has to. So he's got some problems owning up to mistakes, or lapses in judgment, or more than a bit of childish naivety on how people work?
That works no better, because it's also completely at odds with Aang character. When did Aang ever force anyone to do... well just about anything? Pretty much the only time he ever imposes his will on someone is when they are actively attacking him or a friend. I mean, I can't think of a single time he ever tried to force a member of the Gaang (or anyone for that matter) to do anything.

Authoritarian Aang does not work. Making it come with a set of "good intentions" does not make it any more plausible. If you want to do this, go with an OC.
 

grant

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It is true that power corrupts but an Aang trying to actively force others to his will would be jarring. In fact the only way you could justify it would be Aang staying at the Air Temple during the Fire Nation battle and even then his worst moments when he learned what happened didn't last too long.

An original character probably would be best.
 
My pet theory on how the order of the white lotus is sort of like that. Basicly, an avatar went bad so four masters, each of a different element, had to work together to take him or her down.
 
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