Bleach Bleach questions thread

seitora

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#1
Because there doesn't seem to be a central topic for questions.

A couple of questions that I had pop up in my head, and I have no idea if there have been any answers to this stuff or if all you could do is speculate based on what is already known of Bleach-world mechanics.


First, there's Hueco Mundo and Soul Society. But is there any world of the living present besides Earth? I ask specifically because of Komamura and that one 12th Division guy, or if their appearances are perhaps just permutations of their living appearance due to some fuck-up in konso or something.

Secondly, what would occur to a Menos-class hollow (Gillian, Adjuchas, Vasto Lorde), or even more, an Arrancar, if they were to be killed by a Shinigami and supposedly purified? Would all the souls that make the Hollow up split apart into their individual selves when they enter Soul Society? I think we only have Aaroniero's claim of 33650 souls as a Gillian to use as a baseline for how many souls a Gillian might be made up of, and he's an exception in that since he gets all the powers of the Hollows he devoured (and Kaien). But if you assume Soul Society must have at least a few billion souls, just going off of today's world population, then even if only 1% of Pluses turned into Hollows, that's still 20 million Hollows.

Third, speaking of Kaien, wouldn't killing Aaroniero, if the Arrancar transformation didn't screw things up and a Menos Hollow did divide into all its individual souls, just send him back to Soul Society :hmm: ?
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#2
Hard to say on a lot of this. I've often held that the mechanics side of Bleach tends to be incredibly interesting, it's just rarely expanded on. There are a couple of theories around to explain the number crunch, one specifically being the possibility of multiple soul societies existing (Which would naturally help explain why literally everything is Japanese around this SS :snigger: ).

I heard the specific number crunch for Shinigami is that there are about 200 shinigami in any given division though I've not see the source for this number.

Hard to say what the hell Komamura is or why there aren't more of him. Don't recall the 12th division guy you're speaking of, but I think most of the weird looking ones there are just modified for whatever reason.

Also Killing AA sent him and ALL of his 30000+ Souls into hell, according to the hell side chapter. Literally. He and Syzael were actually able to release and everything, meaning they had all their souls and powers from what we're aware of.

Of course what this means for an Arrancar who isn't an ass getting sent to SS is another matter entirely I'd want to see covered. If a arrancar can be sent to hell with all their powers intact despite being purified by a Zanpakuto, what does that mean for those that get sent to SS instead? :huh:
 

Dunstan

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#3
seitora said:
Secondly, what would occur to a Menos-class hollow (Gillian, Adjuchas, Vasto Lorde), or even more, an Arrancar, if they were to be killed by a Shinigami and supposedly purified? Would all the souls that make the Hollow up split apart into their individual selves when they enter Soul Society? I think we only have Aaroniero's claim of 33650 souls as a Gillian to use as a baseline for how many souls a Gillian might be made up of, and he's an exception in that since he gets all the powers of the Hollows he devoured (and Kaien). But if you assume Soul Society must have at least a few billion souls, just going off of today's world population, then even if only 1% of Pluses turned into Hollows, that's still 20 million Hollows.

Third, speaking of Kaien, wouldn't killing Aaroniero, if the Arrancar transformation didn't screw things up and a Menos Hollow did divide into all its individual souls, just send him back to Soul Society :hmm: ?
I'm sure that somebody will try to come up with a explanation for it, but the honest truth about the matter is just that Menos-class hollows takes everything we know of the mechanics of Bleach-world, and tells it to bend over as it takes off its belt. :sisi:
 

seitora

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#4
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
I heard the specific number crunch for Shinigami is that there are about 200 shinigami in any given division though I've not see the source for this number.

Hard to say what the hell Komamura is or why there aren't more of him. Don't recall the 12th division guy you're speaking of, but I think most of the weird looking ones there are just modified for whatever reason.
I think the 200 number would be 'at least 200', and it's because of that rule of becoming a captain that Kenpachi invoked, where defeating a captain in front of 200 members 'of that division' allows you to become the new captain. That would require there to be at least 200 members in the division.

And Komamura is some sort of humanoid wolf thing, extremely tall too (9 feet or something?).
 

Knyght

The Collector
#5
My theory on Komamura (which I came up with a few seconds ago) is that he originally a dog/wolf which developed spiritual power and ended up gaining a humanoid form when he died and went to Soul Society. It's probably an incredibly rare phenomenom and even then, it would require a substantial amount of potential to achieve it.

For the Gatekeepers, I assume they underwent some process which increased their size to make them suitable for the positions. Alternatively, they're actually a lot older than they look and they were specifically made for the position.

TBH, I'd ignore the hell side chapter since it was made purely to promote non-canon compliant movie.

With the Menos question, I'd assume that all the souls go to Soul Society but they wouldn't necessarily return to human form, instead simply becoming a part of the world itself. In this case Kaien wouldn't return either (which is don't think is likely anyway). Or it could be that they really start their afterlife there.

There's no real way to know.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#6
Where does Urahara get his merchandise from? Is his location known to SS and he's in contact with them prior to the manga's start?

How does SS know when hollows are going to appear in the human world?
 

seitora

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#7
I had wondered about Urahara's merchandise as well. The only thing I can think of he is he has a mole in the 12th division.

Also, any general idea on the population of Karakura Town? About the only thing I can draw base off of is the '10,000' souls needed to create a new Key, and that may just be spiritually sensitive human souls, hence why Aizen needed Karakura Town and not some random Joe-schmoe settlement in Africa or wherever. That, and chapter 35 where the 'honour list' for Ichigo's grade is 50 students long, where assuming that Karakura Town has only one high school and Ichigo's grade is ~150 students (3 times the 'honour students' could put it at 10k minimum
 

Estrecca

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#8
knight504 said:
Is his location known to SS and he's in contact with them prior to the manga's start?
If we accept the narrative of the end of chapter sketches, his business (though not his identity) is known by rumour among the shinigami. The third seat of the 4th, in particular, did contact him at some point concerning contact lenses and got offered laser surgery instead.

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zeebee1

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#9
Rukia went to Urahara for supplies. She may not have trusted him, but she knew of his business.

Also, the 12th division is in charge of monitoring and reporting on the appearance of Hollows.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#10
Actually Urahara was the one who went to her to 'offer his services'. This was part of the big reveal flashback, Urahara specifically appeared before Rukia right after she'd lost her powers in the incident with Ichigo to offer her 'aid'.

By which I mean give her a gigai specifically so that she could be trapped forever with the orb in it. :snigger:
 

Knyght

The Collector
#11
Why did Ichigo's body start hollowfying and running about on its own during his vizard training?

It looked like his body was moving on mindless instinct but that fact that it was moving at all always seemed strange to me.
 

the DragonBard

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#12
knight504 said:
Why did Ichigo's body start hollowfying and running about on its own during his vizard training?

It looked like his body was moving on mindless instinct but that fact that it was moving at all always seemed strange to me.
Because it's apparently a side effect of having to fight your Inner Hollow. You have to bring up the Hollow enough that it starts transforming your body into one.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#14
Do we know if Urahara, Yoruichi, Tessai and Isshin had ever seen Aizen's shikai?
 

seitora

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#15
Couple of questions again

Does a Shinigami have to go into Shikai first before releasing Bankai, or could they go straight to Bankai? Too lazy right now to sort through 400 odd chapters to see if anybody actually does

And, while not trying to stray into fanon 'Shingami are evulz!' crap, is there any real incontrovertible proof that the Quincy do in fact absolutely destroy souls?
 

nick012000

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#16
seitora said:
And, while not trying to stray into fanon 'Shingami are evulz!' crap, is there any real incontrovertible proof that the Quincy do in fact absolutely destroy souls?
Given that both Uryu and a high-ranked Shinigami gave the same reasons for their genocide, I'd say it's pretty safe to say they do.
 

Vexarian

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#17
seitora said:
Couple of questions again

Does a Shinigami have to go into Shikai first before releasing Bankai, or could they go straight to Bankai? Too lazy right now to sort through 400 odd chapters to see if anybody actually does

And, while not trying to stray into fanon 'Shingami are evulz!' crap, is there any real incontrovertible proof that the Quincy do in fact absolutely destroy souls?
This is incredibly unconventional. Assuming it's even possible it would be rare beyond rare.

Shikai requires that you know what your Zanpakuto spirit is, whereas Bankai requires that you defeat your Zanpakuto, driving them into submission.
 

seitora

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#18
Vexarian said:
seitora said:
Couple of questions again

Does a Shinigami have to go into Shikai first before releasing Bankai, or could they go straight to Bankai? Too lazy right now to sort through 400 odd chapters to see if anybody actually does

And, while not trying to stray into fanon 'Shingami are evulz!' crap, is there any real incontrovertible proof that the Quincy do in fact absolutely destroy souls?
This is incredibly unconventional. Assuming it's even possible it would be rare beyond rare.

Shikai requires that you know what your Zanpakuto spirit is, whereas Bankai requires that you defeat your Zanpakuto, driving them into submission.
No, I'm not talking about learning the Shikai first and then the Bankai.

I'm talking about in a battle if a Shinigami has to release their Shikai first, and then their Bankai, or if somebody (whose zanpakuto is in a sealed state) can just skip releasing Shikai and then go straight to Bankai.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#19
There is no solid proof that a Quincy destroys the soul in terms of what we've been shown. Oh granted, we've heard it from several sources including the quincy, but we really haven't been shown it.

However, what we HAVE been shown is that the current quincy group actively hunting down and eradicating hollows has caused the border between Soul Society and the Human world to shrink.

There's a scene at the start of this arc where Mayuri and his research crew are detecting this shrinkage and needed to get shit done fast or they'd have had a crisis on their hands, which notably happened in an environment where it'd make no sense for them to be bluffing. Further somehow the purging of 100000 souls is a temporary fix to this, so suffice to say given that evidence, I think it's safe to say everything checks out there. :snigger:


Also bankai can be released immediately without any need for the shikai first. The most obvious case of this being done is Hitsugaya's first use of his bankai. It's relatively easy to tell when he's sealed or in shikai since his shikai attaches a chain to the handle of his blade, and there was notably no chain attached right before his bankai activated against Aizen.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#20
Okay, this is starting to confuse me. How does the Fullbringer's high-speed movement work; do they actually "fullbring" the ground/air when they do it or is it no different than shunpo and sonido in execution? And does bringer light always appear, even for the people who've mastered Fullbring?

I know Tsukishima produced bringer light when he confronted Ishida but I'm not sure whether or not that was just a distraction.

seitora said:
Does a Shinigami have to go into Shikai first before releasing Bankai, or could they go straight to Bankai? Too lazy right now to sort through 400 odd chapters to see if anybody actually does
Byakuya's done it at least twice, I think. And it's more noticeable when he does something like that given the difference between Senbonzakura's sealed state and shikai.


EDIT: Would it be possible for quincy arrows to be immune to Barragan's Respira due to them being formed from ambient reishi?
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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#21
We were given the description that they fullbring the ground and in essence make the ground elastic and thus capable of launching themselves forwards. I'm not sure how the air one works, that might just be something similar to the Shinigami air platform thing on top of a Bringer Light to make the air solid but also elastic or something.

Which is naturally is the direct opposite of shunpo/sonido in execution, since both of those revolve around the whole single step principle, launching themselves forward by steping quickly in a direction rather than being launched by the surface they're on. I suppose you could argue it's similar to the Quincy instant movement tech, since that also requires an outside thing to move them along, but that's more making a platform that carries them along rather than something that launches them.



Also Barragon's Respiera is hard to nail down. Some Spirit Particles seem affected normally by decay, like say Soifon's arm. Others like a sufficiently powered barrier can outright resist it and so forth. Nailing down what can and can't be affected is hard because we don't have much to go on.

I could however make a damn good argument that say Ice/water is completely resistant to respiera, since that can exist for centuries pretty much unchanged. Doubly so if the person in question is skilled in keeping the water in the specific state.

I could also make a damn good argument that respiera will cause it to disperse into water vapor. Which admittedly a character like Hitsugaya could just refreeze anyway to keep blocking it, but in theory makes it less viable for attack.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#22
See, the thing that confused me was that we saw Ichigo "flash-step" behind Jackie but he didn't seem to do it against Tsukishima. When he fullbrought the concrete and air, it seemed more like was he was enhancing his regular speed and jump height rather than using a speed techniques (going by the fact we saw the whole movement rather than the disappear/reappear trick like before). And given Jackie and Chad's comments, it's possible that Ichigo wasn't at the stage of fullbringing the concrete and air whilst fighting Jackie. (EDIT: Would making the ground elastic even be of any use if you're moving horizontally?)

I think a workable analogy for fullbringing the air is like when you pull yourself up using the handhold; the air is the handhold and the fullbringing is the arm movement.

I suppose there's no right or wrong for Respira unless we're told otherwise (which isn't likely to happen at this point). I figured that the quincy arrow wouldn't be effected like if someone used the wind against Barragan. Alternatively, it could just fall apart like any other attack.
 

seitora

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#23
So I'm guessing it's also still never been answered by why some Shinigami have aged in physical appearance in the last century (Renji, Rukia, and especially Nanao, who went from being the 'youngest' in the 8th Division to a fully grown woman) and others don't seem to age a day (Urahara, Yoruichi, etc).

I would hesitate to use the Visored as examples though just because they're part Hollow and Hollows strike me for some reason as not aging (Barragan's techniques aside).
 

Knyght

The Collector
#24
Aging probably slows down once you reach a certain point in physical maturity and/or power.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

Well-Known Member
#25
Wouldn't explain Gin actually. He effectively started third seat as a child and aged all the way to his current appearance in about 60 years, where Hitsugaya who started off as a wee lad 40 years ago barely aged at all. Byakuya too had a rather large amount of growth in a similar amount of time. Renji also aged faster than Rukia, and he started off stronger than her by quite a bit.

Really there's no way to properly explain it so you just kinda have to roll with it.
 
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