Bleach Bleach questions thread

~NGD OMEGA~

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Hence why I said possibility, rather than fact. :p

Also Nation State boarders? Who the hell ever said that? I was always thinking it was based on largely massive zones consisting of huge chunks of a specific geographical area of earth. Succinctly explaining why this SS is predominately Japanese with some bent towards Chinese since that's the closest geographical location to Japan. If I had to wager the spiritual zone would likely largely persist of a huge amount of the ocean, certain island states which would cover the outliers like say Tousen, as well as at least some parts of China as well as Japan. Would succinctly explains the absolutely domination of Japanese culture for no decernable reason as well as why Language thing is pretty much never a problem.

Make no mistake Hueco Mundo being predominantly Spanish while everyone still speaks Japanese is still pretty silly, but at least they have an excuse of most of the beings over there being amalgamations of hundreds of thousands of people. Hence them knowing the multiple languages would make sense, odds are SOMEONE they ate may not have been a japanese speaker to say the least. :snigger:

And the Quincy art coming largely from Germany also still makes sense. Dude was from wherever the hell that was by all means, but the power and art that specifically became the Quincy norm what with the bows and everything being the ONLY WEAPONS they used? That had to start somewhere, especially since they're effectively an offshoot of what Bach's been doing lately. Since, you know, none of these guys are using conventional Quincy weapons for the most part. :sisi:

Could it be a stylistic choice? Certainly. Makes no sense to assume it is though when there's a perfectly valid potential explanation right there though. :snigger:

Also pretty big assumption that I wouldn't have the same qualms with an American version of this same scenario. Language barriers and how people in question deal with them as well as how certain general abilities a lot of cultures can develop would form and differ over all those wildly different cultures is actually a pretty big deal for me. Harry Potter for instance largely makes me wonder how the magic styles and teaching method's differ past england and what other general methods were developed in say China? Or how about over the centuries the Native American's still had control over this region? Not everyone likely just shouted Expecto Patronum, particularly since Latin isn't ubiquitous everywhere.

Negima, which is basically that on crack is much the same, and they actually deal with it directly since the Latin stuff comes from the guy from England while the Japanese magic we see (from Konoka largely) is quite different. In Negima they did it quite well to say the least.

Really the only qualm I draw culture wise is that every goddamn person uses Katana's, which I've largely grown majorly sick of (Which isn't an issue Unique to specifically Japanese media mind, there's some american shit where that's equally annoying, particularly vampire related garbage). With a valid excuse here sure, all Asuchi are the basis for it so fair enough, retcon though that was, but seriously I'm so bored of the Katana and really sword wank in general. :sweat2:
 

seitora

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Don't forget how Ywhbach or however the fuck you're supposed to pronounce it was apparently from Judea :p
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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I honestly have no idea where he was but honestly wherever it was would still work regardless. Dude's been gone for 1000 years or thereabouts. Lots of shit happened over that time to say the least, and presumably he was around for at least a good chunk of time before that. Shit developed, people moved, and techniques were changed over that time. The Quincy forming their shit in Germany is certainly plausible.

Also helps that when they bite it their shit passes back to him, so him passing it on to his new followers (Since the Yourself twins are relatively modern given the hospital)? Also entirely reasonable.

And honestly, I haven't even touched on the goddamn population issue to shinigami force ratio yet. SS has about 200 active people per division. So around 2600 mooks. Which need to find and collect lingering souls over the entire planet if the geographical zones assumption is not true. When the majority of their force is generally in SS regardless, and Rukia's own region was effectively just Karakura itself, so you can't even argue they cover a massive area or just focus on larger cities to compensate. Their total miss rate would be absolutely disgusting even if they worked the full 2600 people to the bone to say the goddamn least.
 

Knyght

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There's over 6000 members of the Gotei 13. I guess Kubo bumped up the numbers for the war (or recruitment went up the wazoo in the past two years).

The Kidou Corps look like another thing left forgotten, beyond some details from the databook. I've no idea what they actually do; I thought they might be related to the Zero Division and Royal Palace but there's no indication of that. There's Ururu and Jinta; mod souls, Nemu-lites or odd humans? And Tessai's reaction to Zangetsu always made me wonder but there's literally nothing to go on, not even with any of the recent reveals. The history of the Espada's a little sketchy too. Why the Shiba Clan fell. Who the rest of the Four Noble Families and what their purpose is (I think they're supposed to have one).

FGT and Getsuga Tensho in general because I really don't get how Engetsu can used that in its sealed state. Orihime planning to use her power on the Hogyoku. Karin and Yuzu, in general. The Vizards being ex-Shinigami criminals who used to forbidden spells to gain Hollows powers according to Isshin,though it's more like Kubo just changed his mind on that one). That, or that's the official story and Urahara left him to his ignorance. How the Sokyoku was made and what "the strength of 1 million zanpakuto" means. Substitute Shinigami being able to take a person's Fullbring which may or may not be how Ginjo got his Cross of Scaffold in the first place. He also mentions a Substitute Shinigami as someone who was born with the power rather than it being transferred. The nature of Orihime's "Shinigami-like" since she's not said to be a Fullbringer. What happened to Yoruichi's zanpakuto. Who were the past Ryoka.

...This is a long list.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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Huh, somehow missed that entirely. Still not nearly enough to work considering again, entire planet, with but certainly a great deal better than shy of half that number. :mellow:
 

Amodelsino

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Could it be a stylistic choice? Certainly. Makes no sense to assume it is though when there's a perfectly valid potential explanation right there though.
Except no, no there's not. Hueco Mundo is Spanish. There aren't multiple languages, it's Spanish. All the names are Spanish, all the techniques are, the fucking name of the dimension is. Nobody blinks at this because it's not a thing in story. It's the way things are because it's a style choice. Hollows are Spanish, Quincy are German, Shinigami are Japanese. Because it's Japanese manga. Made by a Japanese guy. Who designed a setting in which Japanese styled Grim Reapers fought Spanish styled monsters and maintained the balance between worlds.

The idea of multiple versions of Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, and Spirit Kings etc. is retarded because it's literally baseless and contradicted by the very concept of the setting and the balance between the worlds. It is as much a 'possibility' as everyone being magical fairies living inside the brain of a particularly stupid whale.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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Uh no, not all those names are spanish, and they are clearly speaking Japanese with the occasional thrown in Spanish phrase (Ie: Exacta). That's multiple languages right there. :mellow:

Also no one said alternate versions of HM much less the spirit king either, just SS, because there's too many contradictions with that specifically to actually work as a universal afterlife. :snigger:

Also it's neither baseless nor contradicted either. The very base is the fact that a culture that is comparatively minor in the grand scheme of things is entirely dominant for no discernible reason and the fact that the shinigami quite literally have too low of a force to actually do the most basic functions of their job and cover an entire planet even if they actively used every single damn member they had.

Make no mistake there's no outright proof for it, hence why I continue to say possibility as it fills in the holes left by canon that just as easily are caused by author laziness, but there's nothing against either. Arbitrarily arguing 'balance' doesn't fly to say the least when it's just as easy to argue that the balance would be kept by multiple afterlifes just as easily. Christ, it could just as easily be that SS is in actuality the size of the very earth itself (Again not contradicted and in fact would again fit in with why the population is comparitively tiny for what it should be) and the afterlife we know is just a very small city concentrated with the Japanese population in the grand scheme of things that just hasn't gotten a move on past the area since no one has any actual tech to get anywhere fast.

There's quite literally nothing you can say that contradicts that. At all. We don't even know the general shape of SS nor how it actually ends, much less how big it actually is.
 

TC_Hazard

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~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Uh no, not all those names are spanish, and they are clearly speaking Japanese with the occasional thrown in Spanish phrase (Ie: Exacta). That's multiple languages right there. :mellow:
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Well yeah, speaking Spanish when your main reading audience is Japanese would get kind of awkward. I mean props to the author if he went that far for the sake of authenticity, but most people would get left out.

Kind of like how most aliens speak English.

Hollows are Spanish-themed though. Really, just about every resurrection is in Spanish. Plus all the excessive r-rolling names.
 

beorn91

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The Shiba's clan role seemed to include the big canon to shoot the royal guards and their guests to the Royal dimension. Maybe it's linked to why Kukakku always moves if while having fallen the clan still accomplish its duty. Plus during the fight between Yoruichi and Sui-feng, the latter said the aiding Ichigo would be the last straw to make fall the Shinhouin clan. Thus even if we don't know what the Shiba clan did to endanger their social status, Isshin deserting the Gotei 13 must be the last offence which made them fall.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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TC_Hazard said:
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Well yeah, speaking Spanish when your main reading audience is Japanese would get kind of awkward. I mean props to the author if he went that far for the sake of authenticity, but most people would get left out.

Kind of like how most aliens speak English.

Hollows are Spanish-themed though. Really, just about every resurrection is in Spanish. Plus all the excessive r-rolling names.
Man don't even get me started on series that have freaking aliens magically able to just speak the relevant language of wherever they land. That being said, most series that do this at least have the decency to go for the whole 'Universal Translator' silliness which while obviously a band aid solution at least is a token effort to address the issue.

Here's kind of the thing with Bleach though, they don't have said band aid solution. At all. I mean hollows have an excuse, amalgamations of hundreds of thousands of souls, knowing multiple languages would be fair with that in mind.

However on say the shinigami end there's no kido that allows for some understanding bollocks? How about a token effort to show that in the training school they're learning multiple relevant languages to actually perform their duties. Or hell, so people bumming around in Rugonkai who at least have the decency to not understand what everyone is saying.

Make no mistake, Author laziness is always going to be a potential explanation on the table, this is Kubo we're talking about after all, the guy who literally can't be assed to read his own series before attempting to pull a shocking twist out of his ass that directly retcons what he's previously shown. However needless to say without some actual contradictions to the alternate possibility to work with of which there are pretty much none, it's not really the only solution at this point. :snigger:
 

Knyght

The Collector
My head-canon is simply that souls are inherently omnilingual. It and the cultural thing have never really bothered me.

Edit: To add to the unresolved plot threads, Hichigo's talk of Ichigo staying alive until he returned. It's brought up when they next meet but it doesn't really match up considering 1) the only reason it happened was because Ichigo went in there to learn about FGT 2) Hichigo didn't 'reappear' until Tensa dragged him out of Ichigo and 3) nothing actually happened between them since he went all Hollow Tensa.
 

seitora

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knight504 said:
There's over 6000 members of the Gotei 13. I guess Kubo bumped up the numbers for the war (or recruitment went up the wazoo in the past two years).
No, it's more like people taking that '200 members must be watching' rule for succession of 11th Division in a fight, multiplied it by 13 (13 divisions), said "Yep, 2600" and left it at that
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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Is that were' that's from? I could have sworn I heard it from somewhere I guess that word of mouth must have passed that along till all meaning was lost. Luckily we have a definite value now though regardless. Excellent find/good memory there.

Also I chalk the hollow up to the one of many things about Ichigo's power that stopped making sense, wasn't properly expanded on, was retconned to hell, and I stopped giving a shit about a long time ago. It says a lot that of the many generic leads in the many series I cover, it's Ichigo that holds the true pinnacle of worst and blandest of them all. The one where the plot will literally bend over backwards over and through it's own gargantuan plotholes, ripping new ones where necessary to give him more powers as the plot demands. Only to toss those powers aside after barely even doing anything with them to restart the same bullshit and same flip floppy 'character development' he should have already learned 3 times before already all over again. :sweat2:

Which is a shame because he showed so much promise before. 5 ambulances man. 5 ambulances.
 

Knyght

The Collector
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Magic Hunters
Which reminds me, the term "Magic Hunters" doesn't actually exist in the official English translation. The page where it comes up for the first and last time is also in the databook, but in that version it says: "The Quincies were...a clan dedicated to fighting Hollows. They were scattered all over the world at one time. But...they all perished 200 years ago."

And if you believe this guy, then it was a mistranslation by the early fan translators who were known to make mistakes.

Edit: And Ichigo's monologue from one of the short stories (where he's thinking about power) is different too: "The world changes. It turns. Each time it touches the sun and the moon...it takes a new shape. The one thing that does not change...is my powerlessness. It's turning. If fate is a millstone...then we are the grist. There is nothing we can do. So I wish for strength. If I cannot protect them from the wheel..then give me a strong blade...and enough strength...to shatter fate."

A bit disappointing since I liked the "the power is shatter fate is a blade swung down" line.
 

Knyght

The Collector
1) Did the Quincy Arrancar have a zanpakuto on them? I'm wondering if they might have given up their Hollow forms for Quincy powers.

2) Did Katagiri die before or after Souken?

3) Do you think Quincies can become Hollows when they die?

4) Is it ever stated that a Fullbringer can only have one Fullbring? I only recall Ginjo saying that when they get used to an object and have good compatibility, they can change its form. Of course, we never see someone two Fullbrings, excluding Chad's arm weirdness.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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Ginjou himself has two. Sort of anyway. He combined his Shinigami badge with his Cross of the Scaffold right before Stealing Ichigo's Fullbring. It seemed to add that skull shaped augment to his blade and I presume granted him the power stealing ability, though this was never clarified. It's definitive proof a person can have compatibility with more than one item at least, though since he combined it with his other items there may be some extenuating circumstances involved.

I liken it to the Alchemy in Buso Renkin personally. Everyone can use more than one of the Kakugane, in this case potentially fullbring with more than one item, but ultimately the power remains largely the same or along a similar tangent to the original. Variations of the form or ability maybe, like Buso Renkin's two cloaks from Captain Bravo or in this case Chad's arms, but you probably shouldn't get wildly different things from it to say the least.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Not entirely sure whether Riruka's not just talking about herself, but here it sounds like she could be saying that it depends on the person. One extreme is a person only feels love/affection/pride for just the one object whilst the other extreme is someone who's fickle and feels it towards whatever strikes their fancy. And she does say "things".

Chad also sums it up as "something you always have on you" with Ichigo's badge being the best option for his needs. The way he says it might imply that you could potentially have different Fullbring for different situations.

Anywho, Tsukushima says next target here which implies that Shishigawara's been attacking people on his command before. Considering he talks about killing Orihime, does that mean he's actually been going around killing the people he's told to? While I can guess why Tsukushima would be making him do it (loyal minion training), who are the people that he's been targeting and for what purpose?

Why would Tsukushima be worried about the news when the other Fullbringers?
It seems like they all 'knew' he had a plan he was working towards that doesn't seem to have been mentioned. I didn't see it anyway.

Since we never actually saw Giriko apply his time limit to something, is this how he accomplishes it? By hitting the target with a number? I just thought the number projectiles were a bit out of place.
 

~NGD OMEGA~

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The Doll House power is a bit weird, because it's largely a singular ability, she simply transports things to and from objects she 'likes'. Only weird variation I recall is her hand laser thingy which I'm not sure on, but I'm fairly sure Tsukishima made that for her or some nonsense. It's a bit odd for a fullbring, it appears to be less a power granted from a loved object, but instead a power to connect her loved objects together in various ways.

Not sure on the target line though Chad's line does have interesting implications (And makes it all the more baffling why his pendant doesn't have power yet). Also I wouldn't too much stock in what they other fullbringers thought of Tsukishima at that point. Whatever they thought his plan was, it was obviously altered from their true goal. Similar to however the hell they thought he killed some other shinigami representative.

Also I would imagine that's how he does it, makes no sense otherwise really. :snigger:
 

Knyght

The Collector
The Sternritter's alphabet abilities; natural powers that Yhwach picked up from humans he's 'blessed' (dormant or otherwise) throughout his life, artificial powers that he created and slapped onto his followers, natural powers of his followers that he yanked out with his letter carving or something else?
 

beorn91

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Why did the Sogyoku need the power of millions zanpakuto to do the same that one quincy arrow?
 

Knyght

The Collector
It doesn't. The Sokyoku destroys the outer shell of soul (i.e. the body). The soul would move on to their next life just like if they had died normally.
 

beorn91

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On the wiki, Kurosaki is said to mean "dark destination", fitting for where Ichigo needed to go but a ill omen for his future. However, in the fanfic
A song of Death Gods and Direwolves the author implies that if you take it as a female name it can mean "blooming hope". Given Kubo's taste for symbolism, that Kurosaki is the name of the maternal branch of the family and Ichigo's statut as The Hero, can someone confirm if this translation of Kurosaki is correct?
 
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