Nasuverse Broken Masquerade

nixofcyzerra

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#1
Anyone keeping up with the centralized random idea thread will recognise a lot of what I'm about to summarise, but for those who haven't:

In a nutshell, the existence of the supernatural is revealed on a major scale, to the point where Magi cannot cover it up. Some event that has a huge global audience is interrupted by a rampaging dragon or something. One of the Euro 2004 matches? It's recorded live, and millions of people were watching, more than can be mind-wiped. Furthermore, a copy of the footage was uploaded onto the internet. Youtube was first created in 2005, so if this is prior to the 5th Heaven's Feel, it doesn't exist yet, but there were video hosting sites that pre-dated it (AOL?) so...

The association hasn't been compromised (yet,) but the less conservative members conclude that the odds of them remaining hidden indefinitely are now dangerously low, and it's now a question of how long until the masquerade is completely destroyed.

Apparently it's possible that mage-craft exists that imitates Aoko's 5th true sorcery, which would allow the incident to be retconned out of existence via time-line manipulation bullsh*t. However, for the purposes of this idea, we'll hand-wave it by saying that it's too wide spread, or something. Aoko might be able to do it with the actual 5th (accept no imitations,) but she can't be contacted until it's too late. She's no Association lapdog.

So how would the magi react? Well, Lorelei is the vice-director of the clock tower for a reason, and I imagine that the majority of the members of the three Great Branches would follow the will of their respective directors in this situation (although talented, disillusioned magi who aren't part of the pseudo-aristocratic elite, and feel unappreciated and held back by current magi society might see potential opportunities later on, and begin planning accordingly.)

While the magi big-wigs (and possibly a representative from the Church) are debating what they should so next, I could see the option of mass murder on a scale that makes Mao Zedong look like an amateur being brought up by random extremist Magi a-hole, but ultimately vetoed or decided against, partially due to the sheer scale (a children's ward is one thing, this is quite another,) but also due to the fact that it's impractical. Atlas apparently has sh*t capable of ending the world, as a result of their research into things that could prevent an apocalypse after the first director predicted the end of the world, but as to whether they've got something that could only targets a set figure, or even just non-magi? Less likely. The implication was always "unstoppable uncontrollable WMD's" rather than "incredibly powerful smart bombs." That said, Magi society actually has WMD's, and is therefore a nuclear power of sorts. Good old MAD...

Therefore, after much debate and negotiation, the association decides to reveal themselves partially, controlling it's emergence into the public eye, in an attempt to ensure that they are both seen positively and that the full extent of their power/influence remains hidden. They approach the governments of their respective host countries first, of course. Their really sordid history gets buried, and the members of the association that are unstable and not particularly fit for public scrutiny are either hidden or liquidated. If the Church also decides to reveal the existence of the Burial Agency to said governments (or the U.N, or Nato, or whoever,) then perhaps the Association emphasises it's association with the Burial Agency.

So we've got the Mage's Association being outed as a predominantly benevolent organisation, attempting to answer profound questions about the universe, preserve the slowly weakening and fading magecraft that everybody wants a piece of, we've got governments trying to get their hands on their own magi, we've got defectors from the association who want recognition for their talent instead of their bloodline, we've got world leaders concerned that stuff like dead apostles actually exist, and wanting to do stuff about it...

Anyway, I think the idea has a lot of possibilities, but would probably be quite complex to write, and involve too much politics for me to want to write it.
 

Shaderic

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#2
Well, dragons are gone from the TM-verse and have been for awhile.

But your catalyzing incident could be just as easily be replaced by a Dead Apostle with too much ego and too little sense.

Your next big issue to cover, is why the hell the Association doesn't just cover this up as 'VAMPIRES' rather then 'MAGIC'.

But, like you said, this raises the odds of their discovery by a lot. So, they probably go through their plan anyway, for the sake of plot.

Another minor nit-pick though. The Church and the Assosciation? They hate each other's guts. And the Burial Agency isn't exactly composed of nice people. I could see them going public at the same time, as Ciel charges onto the screen with Nanako and violently ends a Dead Apostle.

But I don't see them being anything more than polite in a very strained manner to one another.
 

zeebee1

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#3
Baby killing and necromantic rituals involving soul. I don't see how the magi society would survive. Especially since there's only so much power to go around. But to be an elite magus requires doing things that aren't allowed in war. This will not end well.
 

nixofcyzerra

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#4
Shaderic said:
Well, dragons are gone from the TM-verse and have been for awhile.
Isn't there supposed to be a dragon sleeping at Issei's temple or something? And Typhon is apparently still around.

Another minor nit-pick though. The Church and the Assosciation? They hate each other's guts. And the Burial Agency isn't exactly composed of nice people. I could see them going public at the same time, as Ciel charges onto the screen with Nanako and violently ends a Dead Apostle.

But I don't see them being anything more than polite in a very strained manner to one another.
While the relationship between the Association and the Church is... tumultuous, they do appear to be able to co-exist peacefully, and work together when necessary, such as overseeing the Heaven's Feels. I would imagine that a incident that threatens the masquerade would be important enough for them to put aside their differences, at least for a time. An external threat often solidifies alliances, after all.

zeebee1 said:
Baby killing and necromantic rituals involving soul. I don't see how the magi society would survive. Especially since there's only so much power to go around. But to be an elite magus requires doing things that aren't allowed in war. This will not end well.
Atlas has world-destroying stuff in their basement. Mutually Assured Destruction. And the US recruited Nazi scientists, some of whom experimented on human beings. If the world governments think that Magi would be a useful enough asset, you can expect the less savoury details to be covered up.

Also, the threat of Dead Apostles, with their curses of regeneration, and various Phantasmal species would probably be enough to stay the "muggle's" hand.
 

zeebee1

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#5
The US, like most countries, does not advertise ties with Nazis. You make sacrifices when necessary, not because you think your family isn't good enough at decapitating spells.
 

Cherry_lover

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#6
zeebee1 said:
Baby killing and necromantic rituals involving soul. I don't see how the magi society would survive. Especially since there's only so much power to go around. But to be an elite magus requires doing things that aren't allowed in war. This will not end well.
Not all magi are assholes, and the Association already disapproves of acts like that due to the risk of them causing magic to be outed.

It would cause them serious problems, but it's not like they have any alternative. Killing the entire human race is simply not practical. Mages still need to eat, live in houses etc., and those things are provided by normal people. If they kill the normal people, then they have to do all the shit work theirselves (notice how most magus families seem to have servants of some kind). Besides, the Church would not allow it, and nor, most likely, would a substantial fraction of magi (ones like Rin and Shirou are obvious, but somene like Waver almost certainly would oppose it too, and even Tokiomi (who is pretty standard for a magus, I think) would probably not be OK with it).

I guess one possibility, though, would be the magi deciding to attempt to usurp existing governments and take power for theirselves. Which, given that they seem to have a substantial amount of control over governments already (they managed to explain away the disappearance of two JAF planes, and their HQ is seemingly underneath the British Parliament) is not entirely implausible.
 

Prince Charon

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#7
To help illustrate why the Mages' Association would refrain from just killing lots of people if the breach is big enough:


This also applies to erasing people's memories, because the information would spread too fast, and you'd have people wondering why other people keep coming down with amnesia.

I've had some ideas like this, myself, both involving mundanes gaining prana through technology (well, sort of, in one case, and definitely, in the other). Specifically involves od, not mana, so at least the peak mana problem isn't made worse.

Here's one of them (it's kind of bullshit, but there are sufficiently bizarre things in canon that I can't just dismiss it as totally impossible): Either due to a lab accident, or more likely, due to an especially mad Philosopher getting it right, a modified species of <a href='https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Midichloria' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>midichloria mitochondrii</a> is created. Each bacterium of it has a single, tiny magic circuit, capable of producing enough od for a fraction of a unit of prana. With the number of these bacteria that a typical human can have, though, all those fractions mount up to a fairly impressive amount. Of course, that wouldn't matter, if the midichloria didn't respond to the will of their host, dumping prana in the body when under stress, or in the right mode of thought.

By the time the MA find out about it, it's too late to stop it. Shinji will grow up to be a rather different person than he did in canon.

The other one involves a successful replication of <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Fate/Apocrypha_characters#Skills_3' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Frankenstein's Galvanism</a>, with machinery. I'm a bit tired, so I'll elaborate on that one, later.
 

zeebee1

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#8
Matou Shinji, the only person in the world immune to the magical bacteria. For added fun the older the magical family is the more resistant the are to be infected.
 

Prince Charon

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#9
zeebee1 said:
Matou Shinji, the only person in the world immune to the magical bacteria. For added fun the older the magical family is the more resistant the are to be infected.
Ouch. Cruel, but from you, unsurprising.

Really late EDIT: Well, it's cruel if this is before he started raping his sister, at least. If it's after, it's not as bad as he deserves.
 
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