Bleach Captain Ichigo

daniel_gudman

daniel_gudman

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So you know how Kurotsuchi is kind of a monster without any morals or ethics?

And everybody kinda wonders which of the other, less reprehensible characters is going to finally getting around to killing him?

Ichigo is a popular bet; Mayuri decides to experiment on his homeboy Chad or Orihime; Ichigo basically goes apeshit and kills him.

Maybe there weren't enough witnesses and it wasn't officially a challenge match or whatever, but I'm willing to bet most of the other captains are going to look the other way about that and hand the kid his Haori.

So. Kurosaki Ichigo, Captain of the Twelfth and Third Director of the Research Institute.

I'm mostly interested in speculating (somewhat wildly, perhaps) about Ichigo's experiences with the Institute, specifically in his new role as Science Administrator.

I have no idea what Nemu would do.

So: solicitation: thoughts?
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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Uh, while he's not an idiot in a book smart sense (Logic wise is a WHOLE nother story with recent events) you're basically giving a guy who knows so little about Soul Society and how spirit power works free reign of something only the likes of Urahara and Mayuri, high level experts in everything Ichigo isn't remotely in this area, could possibly use to any sort of positive effect.

In short you're basically putting a monkey in a gigantic room of big red buttons that say DO NOT TOUCH. Would work if you wanted to have pure glorious chaos but in the case in which you expect him to turn into another Urahara it's basically going to require a long training montage. OF SCIENCE!

In all honesty, Ishida would be far better suited for the second option, with the added bonus of more Nemu interaction.

Of course you could also have a glorious mix of both, which is probably the smartest option if you really go with Ichigo. I could totally see him learning as he's accidentally causing all kinds of chaos with whatever Mayuri left behind. Making slow and steady progress, but the lulz keep coming up again and again, even when he thinks he's finally gotten the run of things. :lol:
 
daniel_gudman

daniel_gudman

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Ichigo is, like, 4th in his class. He's not quite as smart as Ishida... but it's pretty damn close.

He's smart enough to know he's in way over his head with this research stuff. He'd have no idea what any of "his" researchers are doing, even if they spent 20 minutes patiently explaining their work to him.

So the monkey sees those buttons and says "wow, I'm really not going to touch those."

No, what he does have to do is figure out enough to know when he's getting bullshitted and figure out enough to identify scientific consensus.

Also all of his new employees are terrified he's going to cut them open and put bombs inside them like their old boss.

I'm not thinking Ichigo "becomes a research scientist." I'm thinking "Ichigo is the Pointy-Haired Boss but is self-aware enough to know he has no idea what his employees are doing."

Also he's either trying to rope Urahara back in as a subordinate or keep him from taking over from the shadows, himself.
 
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~NGD OMEGA~

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18th actually. :mellow:

Similarly that's the really boring route there to be frank, the one that's immediately tossed out right from the start. You really don't have much to go with, as it'll pretty much be Ichigo being the Captain in name only. He'd kinda HAVE to have a scientific training if this is to remotely work.

And it's less the monkey knowing not to touch them, it's more the monkey being put in charge, having no clue what they're doing, and when they come to get him approval for crap, things naturally start going horribly wrong when he starts approving crap Mayuri would have gone on an 'IDIOTS, I'LL DISSECT YOU IF YOU TRY SUCH A THING!!!' rant if they came to him with such suggestions.
 
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Waruiko

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Point Of Interest: Why would making captain also make him head of the science division? I've seen no indication that being captain of a division that had the last captain moonlighting means that the replacement needs to moonlight in the same way. Position in SS is merit based not inherited. Furthermore the science division was created after the creation of the twelve divisions so that association wasn't always in place.
 
crazyfoxdemon

crazyfoxdemon

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So far I think this idea has some serious CRACKTASTIC potential... My only question is where is Nemu during all this? And what does she think?
 
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Vassago

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VexTheWarlord said:
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
18th actually. :mellow:
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Out of the entire school, or grade or something.

Either way it's not 18th in his specific class.
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(Freshman) Grade, and he's 23rd.

Chapter 35, page 6.

Given that Ichigo studies so hard because he wants to overcome the misconceptions about him, well, that could easily lead to him changing dramatically if used the right way by the people around him.

/GIANT OBLIGATORY NECRO (it was on the 1st page, and I'm contributing, so I'm not sure).
 
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trevelyan1983

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Vassago said:
Given that Ichigo studies so hard because he wants to overcome the misconceptions about him, well, that could easily lead to him changing dramatically if used the right way by the people around him.

/GIANT OBLIGATORY NECRO (it was on the 1st page, and I'm contributing, so I'm not sure).
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Orchestrating that from the Shinigami would be hilarious. Byakuya could needle him about how it's merely a side-effect of his station. Unohana would pour on the concerned, compassionate understanding, with Shunsui opining "that's all incredibly boring, Ichigo - a young man like you should be out meeting young ladies and having fun with them!"

Which all combines to piss Ichigo off so much he has to prove them wrong, and starts book learning and pumping the Shinigami ex-patriots for leadership tips and the like.

Though if he's smart, he'd probably leave the Research Institute in Nemu's capable hands. Otherwise, well, yeah, needs moar SCIENCE!.
 
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marthf1

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I don't see what book smarts have to do with anything, especially since K-12 education is barely passable for living off of in real-life today, nothing to say on how it will transfer over to the undead Soul Society that also matches little with modern society. I mean look at the Districts one through whatever. Now look outside.

My point is that what matters is how fast he would pick up practical experience in the various engineering disciplines as well as whatever else they work on. It is that or business management of however the science division operates. Look at how Boeing was run then & now - CEOs with engineering backgrounds selected from within the company & recently, CEOs with business/financial backgrounds from other large companies.

In my opinion, the Twelfth Division is better off selecting from within itself, or picking an apt manager from another division. After all, that is how Urahara was selected - he used to be the prison manager/Third Seat. I think.

In sum, if they select Ichigo, it is because they want him more for his power than actual utility. Unless it is the Eleventh Division or he purposefully steals the captain-ship by one of the two methods. I think this is better suited to make a Hitsugaya story regarding his rise to power/antics. Bleargh, on the other hand, there is Shunsui (or how he appears to be)....


I don't know - sorry about the ranting.
 
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lask

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As everyone else said, if you want to take one of the ryoka and make them captain of the 12, Ishida would be a much better choice. Give him Gin or T?sen's squad. Captain's are expected to warp their squads around their own ideals and unlike the 12th, nether of those squads has any speacalty that Ichigo would need to maintain - they have specalties, yes, but nothing really... Specal.
 
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wingthesword

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lask said:
As everyone else said, if you want to take one of the ryoka and make them captain of the 12, Ishida would be a much better choice. Give him Gin or T?sen's squad. Captain's are expected to warp their squads around their own ideals and unlike the 12th, nether of those squads has any speacalty that Ichigo would need to maintain - they have specalties, yes, but nothing really... Specal.
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Well fuck if that doesn't make perfect sense/sarcasm
 
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lord geryon

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I dunno, at this point, it's less about Ichigo being a Captain and more about him being Yamamoto's successor.
 
Knyght

Knyght

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I'd enjoy reading a one-shot fight between Ichigo and Yamamoto. By a decent author, at least.
 
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lord geryon

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I'd more enjoy a story about Ichigo having to adapt to being the Captain-Commander and all the headaches of leading such a crew.
 
crazyfoxdemon

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lord geryon said:
I'd more enjoy a story about Ichigo having to adapt to being the Captain-Commander and all the headaches of leading such a crew.
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He got there b/c Yamamoto wanted to retire due to said headaches... Tricked Ichigo into challenging him for Captaincy... Then threw the fight..
 
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shinzero01

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lask said:
As everyone else said, if you want to take one of the ryoka and make them captain of the 12, Ishida would be a much better choice. Give him Gin or T?sen's squad. Captain's are expected to warp their squads around their own ideals and unlike the 12th, nether of those squads has any speacalty that Ichigo would need to maintain - they have specalties, yes, but nothing really... Specal.
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A Quincy Captain? Ishida would probably kill himself first. Thats not even considering what his father would do if he took the position
 
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Amodelsino

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Not to mention he's nowhere near the level of a Captain, and Yamamoto himself said the primary role of the Captains was to be Soul Society's Defense Force. It's why any Shinigami who can kill a Captain in a legitimate fight is given their job.

That, and you kind of have to be a Shinigami to be a Shinigami Captain.
 
crazyfoxdemon

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Amodelsino said:
That, and you kind of have to be a Shinigami to be a Shinigami Captain.
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That's nothing a little Nemu induced murder couldn't fix :rofl:
 
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Vassago

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Amodelsino said:
Not to mention he's nowhere near the level of a Captain, and Yamamoto himself said the primary role of the Captains was to be Soul Society's Defense Force. It's why any Shinigami who can kill a Captain in a legitimate fight is given their job.

That, and you kind of have to be a Shinigami to be a Shinigami Captain.
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The Rule that says "kill them with 200+ witnesses to take their job" technically don't state that you have to be a Shinigami to be a Captain.

At least, not in the translations I've read. The rest of them say that, or require that you at least have Shinigami abilities.

I remember a fanfic that took that idea and ran with it. Basically, a very bored and powerful Vasto Lorde invades Soul Society (implied to be Ichigo if he became a Hollow or something, but not explicitly stated), goes to a very public area, and then kills Aizen for shits and giggles in front of everybody.
 
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zeebee1

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At this point Yamamato wouldn't have to throw the fight.
 
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MonCappy

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Vassago said:
Amodelsino said:
Not to mention he's nowhere near the level of a Captain, and Yamamoto himself said the primary role of the Captains was to be Soul Society's Defense Force. It's why any Shinigami who can kill a Captain in a legitimate fight is given their job.

That, and you kind of have to be a Shinigami to be a Shinigami Captain.
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The Rule that says "kill them with 200+ witnesses to take their job" technically don't state that you have to be a Shinigami to be a Captain.

At least, not in the translations I've read. The rest of them say that, or require that you at least have Shinigami abilities.

I remember a fanfic that took that idea and ran with it. Basically, a very bored and powerful Vasto Lorde invades Soul Society (implied to be Ichigo if he became a Hollow or something, but not explicitly stated), goes to a very public area, and then kills Aizen for shits and giggles in front of everybody.
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Do you have a link to that story. It sounds like it could be an amusing read.
 
Watashiwa

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I don't know, Ichigo lolnoed Aizen's fully chanted Kurohitsugi with a simple flick of his left hand. Not to mention, it wasn't just a single black coffin. It was like a mountain-wide and equally tall amount of them.

With that in mind, for all his prowess, I don't think Yamamoto would stand a chance. I mean for ffs, the entire fight of 418, Ichigo was casually slapping away all of Aizen's attacks without so much as a care.

And in the end, he does state that Aizen never did notice the difference in power.

Yamamoto wouldn't underestimate Ichigo, that is given. But nonetheless, I don't think he would stand a chance for all his prowess.
 
Knyght

Knyght

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Unless Yamamoto goes Bankai. Not that we can make any type of judgment on that. Stupid Tite.
 
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zeebee1

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I have doubts it would make much of a difference. Ichigo would just punch out the fire.
 
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