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da_fox2279

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MastaofBitches said:
AJ_Katon said:
MastaofBitches said:
-Jack Spicer-
The more I think back to XS, the more I remember how entertaining Jack Spicer was.
He was the best part of that show.
He really was. Great action, neat weapons... but watching Jack fumble around, trying to be evil when he was so *not*, was the best.
 

KageX

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I miss that show.

And the attempted continuation/near total reboot because Copyright issues had them change things such as the Shen Gong Wu's names, while not as good could have developed into something better, but just got a horrible timeslot on Disney XD.

Apparently it did better in Canada and is getting a second season.
 
Huh, this Reaper High is an interesting (if moderately cliche) premise. I do have to wonder why the PPG got aged up, but Dexter didn't. All Cartoons from Nick, Disney, and CN from the late 90s to mid 00s go to high school together in the multiversal Reaper High
 

Ordo

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Emerald Oracle said:
So, is that actually canon stuff, or is it fan made? and if it's canon is it another Rebel Cell or a group of criminals or bounty hunters or something?
Not sure, there's been a bunch on art like this coming out and I'm not sure how authentic it is.

*Little Ashoka Pic*

Where was this?
Found on devintart.
 

jaredstar

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrQvoCzs80[/video]

i notice that the lines are drawn between the modern princess and the classic ones
 

DhampyrX2

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jaredstar said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrQvoCzs80[/video]

i notice that the lines are drawn between the modern princess and the classic ones
Mostly because the modern ones starting somewhere around Belle and Mulan ditched "love at first sight" with a Prince they were lucky to have met twice and spoken to once for actual character development. Heck they haven't touched Elsa with romance and Merida actively avoids it. Mulan hated being dressed up to attract a husband. It's been kind of a different narrative since Belle showed actual intelligence. Every princess is legal. Most, if not all, can handle themselves in a fight. They end up getting to know someone before a deep romance starts.

I mean in all fairness, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Cinderella had pretty shallow reasons to get together with their respective princes and getting married seemed to be the endgame for each story. There's much more actual story going on with the modern princesses.
 
DhampyrX2 said:
jaredstar said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrQvoCzs80[/video]

i notice that the lines are drawn between the modern princess and the classic ones
Mostly because the modern ones starting somewhere around Belle and Mulan ditched "love at first sight" with a Prince they were lucky to have met twice and spoken to once for actual character development. Heck they haven't touched Elsa with romance and Merida actively avoids it. Mulan hated being dressed up to attract a husband. It's been kind of a different narrative since Belle showed actual intelligence. Every princess is legal. Most, if not all, can handle themselves in a fight. They end up getting to know someone before a deep romance starts.

I mean in all fairness, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Cinderella had pretty shallow reasons to get together with their respective princes and getting married seemed to be the endgame for each story. There's much more actual story going on with the modern princesses.
Belle marries a guy she barely knows who abuses her for most of the movie, most of the modern Disney princesses are guilty of ending up married to some guy they've known for a few weeks at best.

They're portrayed as strong and independent through most of the film, until the hero they've known for a few months at best rescues them from danger and they fall in love and end up married, not always in the film, but heavily implied to be shortly after.

The princesses never end up solving things for themselves, they are always rescued by a Prince in the end, fall in love with their rescuer, and end up married to them shortly after within a few months of meeting them.

That was one of the really refreshing things about Frozen. It was self aware and deliberately twisted things.
 

DhampyrX2

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Belle is arguable. She came to live with him under duress and you could argue Stockholm Syndrome with her but it was more of her changing him and bringing out his good traits ala Wuthering Heights than "Here's this guy who I saw once by a well then kissed me while I was in a coma. I must marry him." It's an older idea of romance, certainly, but it was much more story driven than the original three princesses by a wide margin.

Merida still refused to so much as court anyone, much less marry them. Mulan II proves Mulan did not run off to marry her man after the first movie. Rapunzel had to rescue Flynn and only saved his life through a plot armor Deus ex Machina after he sacrificed himself to help free her from Mother Gothel (whom Rapunzel ended up killing herself). Tiana had accepted living life as a frog married her guy expecting them to both remain cursed after she changed him for the better. They still might choose to be with the one that shared their hardships and adventures, but Belle was the turning point from Damsel in Distress to independent character.
 

jaredstar

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[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZXQf77hhk[/video]

Cinderella vs Belle
 

Ordo

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DhampyrX2 said:
Belle is arguable. She came to live with him under duress and you could argue Stockholm Syndrome with her but it was more of her changing him and bringing out his good traits ala Wuthering Heights than "Here's this guy who I saw once by a well then kissed me while I was in a coma. I must marry him." It's an older idea of romance, certainly, but it was much more story driven than the original three princesses by a wide margin.

Merida still refused to so much as court anyone, much less marry them. Mulan II proves Mulan did not run off to marry her man after the first movie. Rapunzel had to rescue Flynn and only saved his life through a plot armor Deus ex Machina after he sacrificed himself to help free her from Mother Gothel (whom Rapunzel ended up killing herself). Tiana had accepted living life as a frog married her guy expecting them to both remain cursed after she changed him for the better. They still might choose to be with the one that shared their hardships and adventures, but Belle was the turning point from Damsel in Distress to independent character.
Mulan isn't a Princess movie. She's not a Princess and doesn't end up one through marriage at any point in the future. Belle doesn't start off a Princess, but ends up one eventually so she counts, Mulan does not. Li Shang is a military officer, and not royalty. She doesn't count any more than Wendy from Peter Pan or Alice from Alice in Wonderland does. None of those films are princess movies and they are their own separate category.

Sequels don't count because they retcon for story purposes. It's pretty obvious that Jasmine ended up married to Aladdin shortly after the end of the first film, but it was retconned to fit the plot of the sequels and television show later.

Modern Disney Princesses still end up married to someone they barely know. They end up being rescued, even Rapunzel was in the end. She doesn't kill the witch, he does when he cuts off her hair. You could argue it was Pascal, as he tripped her and sent her through the window. They know a guy for a couple of weeks at best, have an adventure with them, end up being rescued, and decide that they are their true love.

Brave is also Pixar, and that's a different issue. Pixar movies aren't really traditional Princess movies. Yes, she's a princess, and yes Disney owns Pixar, but they are a separate studio from Disney proper, that does the Princess movies. She counts as a Disney Princess, but not really as one of the Disney produced Princess films that use traditional fairy tales. Brave is an original story that is not based on any existing traditional fairytale.
 
jaredstar said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrQvoCzs80[/video]

i notice that the lines are drawn between the modern princess and the classic ones
I think the blonde behind Snow White is supposed to be Aurora from Sleeping Beauty, but honestly she looks more like Eilonwy from the Black Cauldron.
 

DhampyrX2

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Contrabardus said:
DhampyrX2 said:
Belle is arguable. She came to live with him under duress and you could argue Stockholm Syndrome with her but it was more of her changing him and bringing out his good traits ala Wuthering Heights than "Here's this guy who I saw once by a well then kissed me while I was in a coma. I must marry him." It's an older idea of romance, certainly, but it was much more story driven than the original three princesses by a wide margin.

Merida still refused to so much as court anyone, much less marry them. Mulan II proves Mulan did not run off to marry her man after the first movie. Rapunzel had to rescue Flynn and only saved his life through a plot armor Deus ex Machina after he sacrificed himself to help free her from Mother Gothel (whom Rapunzel ended up killing herself). Tiana had accepted living life as a frog married her guy expecting them to both remain cursed after she changed him for the better. They still might choose to be with the one that shared their hardships and adventures, but Belle was the turning point from Damsel in Distress to independent character.
Mulan isn't a Princess movie. She's not a Princess and doesn't end up one through marriage at any point in the future. Belle doesn't start off a Princess, but ends up one eventually so she counts, Mulan does not. Li Shang is a military officer, and not royalty. She doesn't count any more than Wendy from Peter Pan or Alice from Alice in Wonderland does. None of those films are princess movies and they are their own separate category.

Sequels don't count because they retcon for story purposes. It's pretty obvious that Jasmine ended up married to Aladdin shortly after the end of the first film, but it was retconned to fit the plot of the sequels and television show later.

Modern Disney Princesses still end up married to someone they barely know. They end up being rescued, even Rapunzel was in the end. She doesn't kill the witch, he does when he cuts off her hair. You could argue it was Pascal, as he tripped her and sent her through the window. They know a guy for a couple of weeks at best, have an adventure with them, end up being rescued, and decide that they are their true love.

Brave is also Pixar, and that's a different issue. Pixar movies aren't really traditional Princess movies. Yes, she's a princess, and yes Disney owns Pixar, but they are a separate studio from Disney proper, that does the Princess movies. She counts as a Disney Princess, but not really as one of the Disney produced Princess films that use traditional fairy tales. Brave is an original story that is not based on any existing traditional fairytale.
Didn't Flynn himself say it took a long time before he and Rapunzel married (making a voice over joke about eventually accepting HER engagement) at the end of the movie, implying they still got to know each other properly before "happily ever after" started? Jasmine was literally husband hunting to provide Agrabah an heir so I would call that something of a special case unique to royalty. And saying "canon doesn't count because they added more to it" is ridiculous. It's still their intellectual property. This isn't a manga vs anime debate. It's another movie put out by the same studio.
 
DhampyrX2 said:
Contrabardus said:
DhampyrX2 said:
Belle is arguable. She came to live with him under duress and you could argue Stockholm Syndrome with her but it was more of her changing him and bringing out his good traits ala Wuthering Heights than "Here's this guy who I saw once by a well then kissed me while I was in a coma. I must marry him." It's an older idea of romance, certainly, but it was much more story driven than the original three princesses by a wide margin.

Merida still refused to so much as court anyone, much less marry them. Mulan II proves Mulan did not run off to marry her man after the first movie. Rapunzel had to rescue Flynn and only saved his life through a plot armor Deus ex Machina after he sacrificed himself to help free her from Mother Gothel (whom Rapunzel ended up killing herself). Tiana had accepted living life as a frog married her guy expecting them to both remain cursed after she changed him for the better. They still might choose to be with the one that shared their hardships and adventures, but Belle was the turning point from Damsel in Distress to independent character.
Mulan isn't a Princess movie. She's not a Princess and doesn't end up one through marriage at any point in the future. Belle doesn't start off a Princess, but ends up one eventually so she counts, Mulan does not. Li Shang is a military officer, and not royalty. She doesn't count any more than Wendy from Peter Pan or Alice from Alice in Wonderland does. None of those films are princess movies and they are their own separate category.

Sequels don't count because they retcon for story purposes. It's pretty obvious that Jasmine ended up married to Aladdin shortly after the end of the first film, but it was retconned to fit the plot of the sequels and television show later.

Modern Disney Princesses still end up married to someone they barely know. They end up being rescued, even Rapunzel was in the end. She doesn't kill the witch, he does when he cuts off her hair. You could argue it was Pascal, as he tripped her and sent her through the window. They know a guy for a couple of weeks at best, have an adventure with them, end up being rescued, and decide that they are their true love.

Brave is also Pixar, and that's a different issue. Pixar movies aren't really traditional Princess movies. Yes, she's a princess, and yes Disney owns Pixar, but they are a separate studio from Disney proper, that does the Princess movies. She counts as a Disney Princess, but not really as one of the Disney produced Princess films that use traditional fairy tales. Brave is an original story that is not based on any existing traditional fairytale.
Didn't Flynn himself say it took a long time before he and Rapunzel married (making a voice over joke about eventually accepting HER engagement) at the end of the movie, implying they still got to know each other properly before "happily ever after" started? Jasmine was literally husband hunting to provide Agrabah an heir so I would call that something of a special case unique to royalty. And saying "canon doesn't count because they added more to it" is ridiculous. It's still their intellectual property. This isn't a manga vs anime debate. It's another movie put out by the same studio.
The stand alone movie implies something different than what happens in the sequels. So yes, it is legit to say that the films as released paint a certain picture for the female protagonist's future and relationship. Retcons count as official canon after they are released, but saying that the Princess movies paint a certain unrealistic and honestly foolish picture of romance as stand alone films is accurate. It's worth noting that most of the sequels are direct to video and that many little girls who may have seen the first one won't ever watch them.

The fact that they go back and change things later to squeeze more story out of the characters is largely irrelevant in the context of this.

I do think you're right about Rapunzel, but the formula is largely the same. She ends up being rescued, falls in love with someone she doesn't really know, and eventually marries him.

I think the fact that they added an aside at the end about them getting to know each other is a step forward in the evolution of the Princess films. It was the last proper Princess movie before Frozen. Brave doesn't count in the context of this on a technicality, it's Pixar and not based on an existing fairytale.

I like the way Disney is going with these movies. I think the success of Frozen caught them flat footed, and that maybe they'll learn something from it. The question is whether or not they learn the right lesson.

At the end of the day, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the princess movies have a rather unhealthy and unrealistic portrayal of what romance is and how a woman or girl should go about establishing a relationship. Even the most independent and strong willed Princesses end up waiting for their prince to save them and sweep them off their feet to fall in love.

That doesn't make them bad movies by default, but it does mean that any responsible parent will explain that things don't work that way in real life at some point before it gets too ingrained into an impressionable young girl's head that Princess movies are how love works. That might sound silly, but I've known girls and women who really think shit works that way with love.
 
Contrabardus said:
Even the most independent and strong willed Princesses end up waiting for their prince to save them and sweep them off their feet to fall in love.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was Shang who saved China, and kicked Hun ass. My mistake, I've been remembering the movie wrong all these years!
 
MastaofBitches said:
Contrabardus said:
Even the most independent and strong willed Princesses end up waiting for their prince to save them and sweep them off their feet to fall in love.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was Shang who saved China, and kicked Hun ass. My mistake, I've been remembering the movie wrong all these years!
Mulan is not a Princess Movie. She's in the other group with Alice, Wendy, Esmerelda, Jane, and Meg. Mulan is not a Princess, she's a commoner, and even if she marries Sheng she doesn't end up royalty. He's a military officer, not a prince.
 
According to Disney, the current roster of official Disney Princesses consists of Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel and Merida.

I have no idea how Mulan is a Princess. Maybe the Emperor adopted Shang?
 

DhampyrX2

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nixofcyzerra said:
According to Disney, the current roster of official Disney Princesses consists of Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel and Merida.

I have no idea how Mulan is a Princess. Maybe the Emperor adopted Shang?
I know at Disneyland Mulan is part of the Princess Fantasy Faire picture area. And that list should include Anna. Elsa is a queen but Anna remains a princess.
 
nixofcyzerra said:
According to Disney, the current roster of official Disney Princesses consists of Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel and Merida.

I have no idea how Mulan is a Princess. Maybe the Emperor adopted Shang?
This is not unusual, they used to include Esmerelda and Alice for a short time. It's just marketing, and I'm pretty sure she's just still there because they don't have another prominent female Chinese character and Asia is a big market for them.

I'm kind of surprised they don't have a Japanese Princess by now as well considering how big that market is for them. There are several folklore tales that would fit the bill.

At any rate, she's not a princess, no matter how hard they try to push it because of her ethnicity. The movie is not a true princess movie. I'm pretty sure if they ever do another Chinese story that involves an actual Princess, they'll drop her from the marketing roster. Hell, even just an Asian princess might do it.

They also include Merida, and she belongs more than Mulan does, but like I said earlier, she's Pixar, and that studio has a different sensibility from Disney Proper, that does the Princess movies. Because of that, I don't think she counts as a "true" Disney Princess movie, even though she's a Disney Princess. Kind of like how Leia is also now a Disney Princess, but that doesn't make Star Wars a Disney Princess movie.
 

da_fox2279

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You want a REAL Disney Princess? Here ya go:



Now there's a Princess!
 

DhampyrX2

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jaredstar said:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZXQf77hhk[/video]

Cinderella vs Belle
Belle won that ones hands down. And I think I'm becoming a fast fan of Whitney Avalon because of these little rap battles.
 
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