Code Geass Recommended Fanfiction

Inaba

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Eh, the writing is good and it's not as though there's much to choose from in the Code Geass fandom, but it rubs me the wrong way for reasons that I'm not entirely sure. Part of it is what seems to me like the cliches underlying the narrative and part of it is likely the world-building that has taken place. Kelenas has mentioned some of the problems, but there's also a few minor details that bug me perhaps more than they should.

For example, Tianzi is still referred to as Tianzi even though China is apparently a communist state in this story, even though that makes zero sense whatsoever because Tianzi is a title very specifically referring to the Child of Heaven status of the Chinese emperor which should be utterly anathema in a communist state.
 

The Eromancer

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kelenas said:
I found it interesting early on, but in time lost interest. The set-up for Gino Weinberg to switch sides is almost painfully obvious, as is the fact that the one OC from Kallen's squadron would inevitably betray her and Lelouch out of jealousy.
Throw in the fact that the author apparently couldn't think of anything more original than setting up the EU as German-led, warmongering bloodknights, and the MEF as islamic fundamentalist zealots, and it quickly lost its appeal for me.

- Kelenas
I might agree with you if it wasn't for the last point. There will ALWAYS be Islamic religious fundamentalists because they are all IDIOTS TEACHING IDIOTIC WAYS OF LIFE.

Germany with its Blood Knights, ya a little cliche but its not like there isn't precedence for an order of Knights that loves war and is good at it coming from there. Check out the crusades.
 

Cynical Kyle

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For all of the hype about it that story fell flatter than pettanko. Writing is technically good, but the content seemed tad too lackluster to me. Like some of the guys here mentioned earlier, plot hooks could be seen mile away and the characters didn't feel like themselves, just another batch of OC with canon name.

Though to be fair, keeping Lelouch in character is hard as hell and I have yet to see a fic longer than couple of thousand words that manages it.

To me Megiddo just seems to be shittier remake of In Vain Doth Valour Bleed in CG setting without the benefits of original. Sure it might be piece of heaven to those fellas that detest R2 with all their being, but I disagree about the claim that Megiddo is objectively better than it.
 
megiddo is nice and all, but i prefer Oath of Blood, Prince or Zero?, Dauntless or the infamous time travelling shtick like Memory of Time.
OTOH i would be interested to see more fics that detail the relationship (any kind of relationship) between the Tianzi and Lelouch, or between the token Loli (Kaguya) and the dumb Martyr named Lelouch.

because i got kind of tired of the endless exposition, rewrtiting, recreation and expansion of Lelouch's relationships wit: Suzaku, Kallen and C.C., Rolo

Shirley is indifferent to me, and i can't find too many about Milly, Villeta, Nina, (good ones about) Euphy, or really good Nunnally ones, or Sayoko.
 

Inaba

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I'd be content if there were more Lelouch-focused stories that didn't focus on him starting the rebellion in Japan - it's one of the reasons that I like Lelouch-as-Britannian-prince stories so much. It's a shame that there aren't stories where Lelouch heads on over to the European Union or plays regional warlord in a decaying China.

But that might be because the Black Knights left a seriously bad taste in my mouth after R2 and weren't especially interesting to begin with.
 
there is a recent one depicting Lelouch in China, but i have not read it
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8084332/1/Code_Geass_Emperor_of_China' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Code Geass Emperor of China</a>
i too would like one about Lelouch of the EU and his war.
or one that does not disperse into a Paring War and really does devote itself into a Lelouch Vs all who oppose him.






and have taken a rather unhealthy interest on any kind of relationship between Lelouch and Jiang Lihua, especially if that lelouch went to China instead of Japan
 
Well, it's not like it's particularly unreasonable. I think she's a year or two younger than Nunnally, so if Lelouch went to China instead, it seems likely to me that Tianzi and Nunnaly would become friends, and Lelouch would take an interest in watching out for her, at a minimum, and if it were a case where Nunnally died, it doesn't seem out of the question that Lelouch might latch onto another girl of similar age whose in way over her head. On the other side, Lelouch would be an admirable figure to her, someone strong (in spirit if not body), smart, nice...I actually think it would be hard not to imagine her developing a crush under those circumstances.
 
unhealthy in the sense of "I WANT IT NAO" instead of the normal "it's bad for your health (mental or otherwise)" and Jiang is 14, Kaguya and nunnally are 15 (by R2) while Lulu is only 18 at the time of his suicide.

and about Lelouch's supposed fragility, maybe when he was a kid because of his 'noble' status (and apparent disdain for physical activities), IIRC he recieved some kind of.. conditioning? (phys ed) while he was with the Kururugis, and latter he really does things that no 'fragile' and weak person could do, he is certainly no Suzaku nor Kallen, but he is not extremmely or really notably weak or fragile.
but let's chalk it to 'lifestyle', and him being naturally a little more weak than everyone else, if he wanted (and had the chance) i don't doubt that he would be rather exceptional (and again he may not be in Spinzaku's league and maybe not even in Kallen's, but exceptional one none the less).

:headbanger: and now i want LuluxJiang
 

Inaba

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Hm, Lihua herself is in a weird position in canon and is pretty much inextricably tied up with how CG China came to be.

Females don't inherit the throne under Chinese imperial succession, the single exception to that rule is Wu Zetian who came to power through the traditional power to power for imperial women - by being Empress-Dowager and thus the go-to choice for regent. So I think it's reasonable to go with a scenario where Lihua is daughter to one of the more westernized warlords that popped up post-Qing (namely, Chiang Kai-Shek aka Jiang Jieshi).

I don't remember the exact nature of the conspirators against her in the show, but I got the impression that they were eunuchs. It's a pretty common scenario and not necessarily a bad one - but I think I'd go for a scenario where the eunuchs and their relations are propping up Lihua against her detractors because she's their main path to power. It's not exactly an unprecedented scenario - the last Han emperors favored the eunuchs so much because the eunuchs were their go-to men for resolving 'human resource problems' aka 'grabby in-laws'.

Instead of the eunuchs as the opposition to Lihua, I'd go for a combination of regional warlords that were never pacified so much as coopted into her father's empire and thus understandably resistant to any centralizing tendencies and perhaps certain factions amongst the literati that were both essential to Chinese imperial rule and so often detrimental.

I think that would make for a more interesting scenario than the 'eunuchs selling out their country' story in canon.
 

shiki

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shioran toushin said:
there is a recent one depicting Lelouch in China, but i have not read it
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8084332/1/Code_Geass_Emperor_of_China' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Code Geass Emperor of China</a>
i too would like one about Lelouch of the EU and his war.
or one that does not disperse into a Paring War and really does devote itself into a Lelouch Vs all who oppose him.






and have taken a rather unhealthy interest on any kind of relationship between Lelouch and Jiang Lihua, especially if that lelouch went to China instead of Japan
No. Just no.

If a fic has that many errors before I even have to move the page down... I am clicking the [X]. I'm not a grammar nazi of any sort but if the very beginning has so many problems then there isn't any point trying to struggle through.
 
i did say that i hadn't (and now i know i won't) read it. :huh.: .
but Lelouch in China is a interesting concept.
 

kelenas

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The Eromancer said:
I might agree with you if it wasn't for the last point. There will ALWAYS be Islamic religious fundamentalists because they are all IDIOTS TEACHING IDIOTIC WAYS OF LIFE.

Germany with its Blood Knights, ya a little cliche but its not like there isn't precedence for an order of Knights that loves war and is good at it coming from there. Check out the crusades.
The portrayal of Germany seems to have very little to do with any knight orders, and far more with drawing parallels to Nazi Germany. Which is, bluntly put, pants-on-head retarded, given the EU's backstory in CG as a bastion of democracy, liberty, etc. France is a far more likely candidate as the EU's leader, being based on an idea/vision of Napoleon. Throw in the countless historical and political butterflies that should have come from this, and the most likely outcome would be that if you mentioned "Germany" to someone in the CG-verse, he'd ask you "Which one?"

As for the Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, religion is only one - and not even the largest - factor of its existence in our world, and again given the butterflies, in the CG-verse there is no reason why the Islam there couldn't have gone down the same path as Christianity in our world, and slowly mellowed out over time.

shioran toushin said:
there is a recent one depicting Lelouch in China, but i have not read it
Code Geass Emperor of China
Be glad you haven't. I tried to, but gave up after spotting multiple errors in basic grammar, spelling, and tense in the first half-dozen lines or so.

i too would like one about Lelouch of the EU and his war.
The amount of work that would have to be done likely discourages most writers, as their total lack of notable characters means you'd have to either create a metric truckload of OCs, or find a way to transplant existing CG characters. Which is, ironically, easy enough, given that many "Britannians" actually have German- or French-sounding names.

- Kelenas
 
about the Nazi.EU... well:
"àwith the latest conquests of Abakan and Kyzyl, effectively placing over half of the Siberian Federal District under Imperial occupation. In response to these losses, EU Chancellor Joseph Goebbels declared in a press conference in Nuremburg that 'all soldiers of the Russian State Forces are to use whatever means necessary to keep the Imperial Army from advancing into the westà'"
"Before the war, Schneizel visited Europe to reassure diplomacy between the EU and Britannia in the wake of China's annexation. And what he wrote back to me on Joseph Goebbels' administration...was not very flattering." he explained, looking directly at Kallen's eyes now. "If anything he said was true, which I do not doubt, then I find the EU even worse than Britannia on certain levels..."
the chancellor was Goebbel, and the author just transplanted the RL to the CG world and exacerbated some attributes.

but as most things it went :hmm: :crazy: :sweat2: :huh!: in megiddo. OTOH it is a nice story to read.
 

kelenas

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Yep. Pretty much the only way he could've been more blatant about it would be by directly naming Adolf Hitler as the EU's president or something. As I said; pants-on-head retarded.

And on a semi-related noted, I now want to read/write a fic where the EU is replaced with the European Allies from Red Alert 2, ready and willing to unleash their full arsenal on Britannia.

- Kelenas
 

Inaba

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For the sake of simplicity, I think it's easier to assume that the CG setting had its German unification, though almost certainly not the same one as in real life. There simply isn't anything in the setting to suggest that there are still multiple minor German states floating around and I'm inclined to think that not enough changed in the CG setting for German nationalism not to lead to some kind of unification sentiment that inevitably would've seen either Prussia or Austria trying to ride the wave of history to greater power and influence.

And unless one of the two really botched things, I think Germany will probably still end up stronger than France in continental Europe. Though Nazis or Nazi-likes popping up without a serious disaster is just strange.

As for fundamentalism in the Near East, my understanding was that it was a relatively recent phenomenon as social movements went and there really isn't enough information presented in canon to even begin guessing at the condition of the Middle East. For all we know, the Ottoman Empire might still be hanging around and lumped into the Euro Universe or whatever it's called for protection from Russia. If anything, I think a very confusing checkerboard pattern of various nationalist and socialist movements is more probable in the Near East.

Meh, the lack of information about pretty much everyone in canon is a giant hassle, but on the other hand, it also allows fanfic authors a lot of freedom when it comes to world-building.
 
Kelenas, you have struck gold man, because instead of the blond pretty boy making the whole EU collapse, we would have a really awesome faction ( a bit behind tech and resources than the brits, and lower on tech than the japs, and they would be harassed by brits and Chinese, not to mention that they would have to provide for their people to have a decent life... that would explain why the EU citizens live well and why some of it's areas were assimilated by the brits).
 

kelenas

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Actually, I'd argue that the RA-factions have, in many ways, superior technology compared to the CG-verse, because they had to rely on SCIENCE! for much of their stuff, whereas CG cheats like crazy with Sakuradite. Imagine, for example, what the minds behind Tesla Weaponry or the Iron Curtain could do with access to the glowy, pink stuff.

And let's not forget Albert frikkin' Einstein. Sakuradite-improved Prism weapons? Sakuradite-powered Chronosphere? I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for Britannia.

For the sake of simplicity, I think it's easier to assume that the CG setting had its German unification, though almost certainly not the same one as in real life. There simply isn't anything in the setting to suggest that there are still multiple minor German states floating around and I'm inclined to think that not enough changed in the CG setting for German nationalism not to lead to some kind of unification sentiment that inevitably would've seen either Prussia or Austria trying to ride the wave of history to greater power and influence.
If, as some background information explains, the whole EU is indeed based on something Napoleon cooked up, then it is quite possible in the CG-verse there are actually three "Germanies"; Prussia, Austria, and the <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_of_the_Rhine' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Confederation of the Rhine</a> Napoleon created (though it's name would likely have changed later).

- Kelenas
 
Nina Einstein is supposed to be Al's scion, so most probably he was a brit... as the whole Brittania was in the Americas after the isles were taken by Napoleon, so...

Edit: and the things between parenthesis were more aimed at a nicer take of Canon!Euro universe, now that i think about it.
 

Watashiwa

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kelenas said:
Actually, I'd argue that the RA-factions have, in many ways, superior technology compared to the CG-verse, because they had to rely on SCIENCE! for much of their stuff, whereas CG cheats like crazy with Sakuradite. Imagine, for example, what the minds behind Tesla Weaponry or the Iron Curtain could do with access to the glowy, pink stuff.
Cornuthaum and I were discussing this a few months ago. We noticed Sakuradites similarity to Tiberium, and came up with an excellent motivator: "Magical Pink Tiberium: Because Japan needs a reason for America to invade it."

<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4586845/1/The_Sum_of_Our_Choices' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Here's another fic: The Sum of Our Choices</a>, in which the Black Rebellion is successful. It's actually quite interesting, though C.C. seems to have dropped out of the plot. A fair bit of the plot is supported by supplementary material, which real C.G. fans ought to appreciate. There are a few OCs, of which one is annoying and the other is actually kind of cool.
 

kelenas

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Actually, Albert Einstein was German, born in the Kingdom of W?rttemberg, and only emigrated to the US after the Nazis took power in '33.

It's actually a bit silly how many "Britannians" actually have German or French or otherwise distinctly non-English names.
On the other hand, this, combined with a bit of creative thinking, could make an interesting basis for a fic where Lelouch works with(in) the EU; simply pick some of the characters with non-British-sounding names (not like there's a shortage of them), and think how they might fit into the EU.

- Kelenas
 

bissek

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And man-made nuclear fission was first demonstrated by Enrico Fermi, an Italian who emigrated to the US to get away from Mussolini's fascist regime.

And Einstein's role in the Manhattan Project ended when he convinced Roosevelt to fund it after he worked out the physics and decided that an atomic bomb was theoretically possible. The work of actually building one went to Feynman and Oppenheimer.
 
yeah, i sould probably write it better, but what i meant to say was that Nina was Al's fammily so he probably was Brittanian (even if he was born elsewere)
 
Inaba said:
Hm, Lihua herself is in a weird position in canon and is pretty much inextricably tied up with how CG China came to be.

Females don't inherit the throne under Chinese imperial succession, the single exception to that rule is Wu Zetian who came to power through the traditional power to power for imperial women - by being Empress-Dowager and thus the go-to choice for regent. So I think it's reasonable to go with a scenario where Lihua is daughter to one of the more westernized warlords that popped up post-Qing (namely, Chiang Kai-Shek aka Jiang Jieshi).

I don't remember the exact nature of the conspirators against her in the show, but I got the impression that they were eunuchs. It's a pretty common scenario and not necessarily a bad one - but I think I'd go for a scenario where the eunuchs and their relations are propping up Lihua against her detractors because she's their main path to power. It's not exactly an unprecedented scenario - the last Han emperors favored the eunuchs so much because the eunuchs were their go-to men for resolving 'human resource problems' aka 'grabby in-laws'.

Instead of the eunuchs as the opposition to Lihua, I'd go for a combination of regional warlords that were never pacified so much as coopted into her father's empire and thus understandably resistant to any centralizing tendencies and perhaps certain factions amongst the literati that were both essential to Chinese imperial rule and so often detrimental.

I think that would make for a more interesting scenario than the 'eunuchs selling out their country' story in canon.
Given the timeframe that Code Geass takes place in, it would make more sense if Jiang Lihua was the daughter of Jiang Jieshi's son, Jiang Jingguo, who would be 53 at the beginning of R1. (Although Lihua should probably be older).

Also, given the fact that China, or, more specifically, the Chinese military, is in a significantly better position than it historically was in the time frame, it makes sense that there are some significant alterations to the timeline of world history.

First and most obvious, the capital is at Luoyang, not Nanjing, as was the case for the ROC, or Beijing, as is the case for the PRC. Furthermore, China has control over the historical Qing territories, in addition to much of Central and Southeast Asia, India, and much of Oceania.

This immediately suggests that the Ming Dynasty had never turned isolationist, thus giving it much more influence over all of Asia.

Now, the fact that the capital is at Luoyang implies that the Manchus were driven back after the fall of the Ming, that someone else succeeded at (re)unifying China. The most obvious candidate here is Li Zicheng, who presumably did not offend Wu Sangui as he did in OTL, meaning that the Shun Dynasty succeeds the Ming, not the Qing.

Although I don't know much about Li Zicheng's personality or his foreign policy, I don't think that it would be too much of a stretch to assume that he and his descendants would continue Ming foreign policy in establishing suzerainty over various other countries.

Then, assuming that the Xinhai Revolution occurs again, in 1911 (1966 by the Code Geass timeline), that gives the new government just under fifty years or so to consolidate power.
 

Inaba

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enthalpy said:
Given the timeframe that Code Geass takes place in, it would make more sense if Jiang Lihua was the daughter of Jiang Jieshi's son, Jiang Jingguo, who would be 53 at the beginning of R1.á (Although Lihua should probably be older).
I'm not so good with translating CG dates to AD, but that does make a lot more sense.

Also, given the fact that China, or, more specifically, the Chinese military, is in a significantly better position than it historically was in the time frame, it makes sense that there are some significant alterations to the timeline of world history.
If you go by canon, the changes start as early as Caesar's British campaign, though I like to pretend that's romantic revisionist nonsense and that the failure of the American Revolution is the divergence point. It makes it much simpler to build a timeline up to the canon setting.

First and most obvious, the capital is at Luoyang, not Nanjing, as was the case for the ROC, or Beijing, as is the case for the PRC.á Furthermore, China has control over the historical Qing territories, in addition to much of Central and Southeast Asia, India, and much of Oceania.

This immediately suggests that the Ming Dynasty had never turned isolationist, thus giving it much more influence over all of Asia.

Now, the fact that the capital is at Luoyang implies that the Manchus were driven back after the fall of the Ming, that someone else succeeded at (re)unifying China.á The most obvious candidate here is Li Zicheng, who presumably did not offend Wu Sangui as he did in OTL, meaning that the Shun Dynasty succeeds the Ming, not the Qing.

Although I don't know much about Li Zicheng's personality or his foreign policy, I don't think that it would be too much of a stretch to assume that he and his descendants would continue Ming foreign policy in establishing suzerainty over various other countries.

Then, assuming that the Xinhai Revolution occurs again, in 1911 (1966 by the Code Geass timeline), that gives the new government just under fifty years or so to consolidate power.
I don't consider the location of the capital to be particularly important, to be honest, since a lot of it can simply be handwaved if necessary. It could be that Luoyang has been the dynasty's capital from the start, which would suggest that the dynasty has controlled the north since the start, but it could also be that the dynasty simply chose to move its capital for one reason or another.

I'm not particularly familiar with the Fall of the Ming and the relatively short turmoil that followed, so I'm not sure why Luoyang as the capital would indicate that the Manchurians had failed to take China. If anything, I think Li Zicheng's victory would've resulted in the capital being either in Beijing following the Ming or somewhere closer to his power base in Shaanxi.

Regardless, since I prefer a CG timeline with the divergence being as late as the American Revolution, I find it easier to assume that the Qing is established as in real life but started modernizing faster because Britannia came into existence. Anything else changes everything too much for me to find Chinese canon elements to be believable because the changes would have to start more than three centuries ago.

As for Chinese holdings in India in CG canon, I must admit that quite a bit of my reaction can be summed up as 'LALALALALA, not listening!' Central and southeast Asia are fairly logical places for a super-resurgent China to expand while Oceania is similarly reasonable if an industrialized China decided to enter the colonization competition, but I find the idea of China colonizing India to be a bit less believable. I suppose it's possible, but I like to think that India is actually a patchwork of colonies and protectorates in canon rather than solidly under direct Chinese rule.
 
Inaba said:
I'm not so good with translating CG dates to AD, but that does make a lot more sense.
Code Geass dates are CE + 55, so 2000 a.t.b. would be 1945 CE.
I don't consider the location of the capital to be particularly important, to be honest, since a lot of it can simply be handwaved if necessary. It could be that Luoyang has been the dynasty's capital from the start, which would suggest that the dynasty has controlled the north since the start, but it could also be that the dynasty simply chose to move its capital for one reason or another.

I'm not particularly familiar with the Fall of the Ming and the relatively short turmoil that followed, so I'm not sure why Luoyang as the capital would indicate that the Manchurians had failed to take China. If anything, I think Li Zicheng's victory would've resulted in the capital being either in Beijing following the Ming or somewhere closer to his power base in Shaanxi.
When the Jurchens overthrew Li Zicheng's nascent dynasty, they settled down in Beijing, keeping much of Ming bureaucratic infrastructure intact, helping to stabilize the country. From then until 1911, when the Qing dynasty was overthrown, the capitol did not move once. So the Qing dynasty could not have been established, IMHO.
Furthermore, the presence of the "Vermilion Forbidden City" in Luoyang implies that the capitol had been there for some time, given the amount of time that such a complex would take to construct - the construction of the Forbidden City complex in Beijing took 15 years to complete.
While the presence of the capital in Luoyang does not necessarily imply that Li Zicheng won, or vice versa, it does at least indicate that the Qing dynasty was never established.
Regardless, since I prefer a CG timeline with the divergence being as late as the American Revolution, I find it easier to assume that the Qing is established as in real life but started modernizing faster because Britannia came into existence. Anything else changes everything too much for me to find Chinese canon elements to be believable because the changes would have to start more than three centuries ago.
I don't see how contact with Britannia would cause Qing China to modernize faster without a major reduction in the Chinese sphere of influence. If I remember correctly, much of the Qing attempts at modernizing came after several major defeats and concessions to foreign powers. Unless the Guangxu Emperor somehow "retires" Empress Dowager Cixi, the Hundred Days' Reform is doomed to fail, and, even if it succeeds, the Qing dynasty still faces severe internal and external problems. Add to that the inevitable period of chaos after the overthrow of any given dynasty... Even if the overthrow of the Qing dynasty takes place a full 10 years earlier than it did historically, that still only leaves around 50 to 60 years for China to successfully conquer Southeast Asia and Oceania, which, by then, were under major European influence.
 
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