[Comic] Miscellaneous Ideas Topic

GenocideHeart

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#26
Miscellaneous Ideas Topic

zeebee1 said:
You mean like actual motivation?
This is the same Spider-Man that MADE A PACT WITH THE DEVIL to save his aged aunt whom everyone TOLD him was dying because her age was catching up to her, not so much the bullet. And he gave up his wife, his life with her AND his unborn daughter just for that.

Never mind that, unlike the Skrull who do keep their word if they seriously give it and have much to gain from it, Mephisto is infamous for not keeping his own end of the bargain...

So yeah, Gwen being alive is motivation enough.
 

Deathsheadx

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#27
Miscellaneous Ideas Topic

GenocideHeart said:
zeebee1 said:
You mean like actual motivation?
This is the same Spider-Man that MADE A PACT WITH THE DEVIL to save his aged aunt whom everyone TOLD him was dying because her age was catching up to her, not so much the bullet. And he gave up his wife, his life with her AND his unborn daughter just for that.

Never mind that, unlike the Skrull who do keep their word if they seriously give it and have much to gain from it, Mephisto is infamous for not keeping his own end of the bargain...

So yeah, Gwen being alive is motivation enough.
:blink: wait i've basicly been out of the spiderloop since they killed ben rielly

i knew about the deal with the devil but i thought it was mj who made the final decision.

also i didnt know mj was pregnant again, are you telling me that he sacrificed his unborn child for an old lady at the end of her life?

:rant: GAWDDAMIT!! :headbanger:
 

Prince Charon

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#28
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Deathsheadx said:
GenocideHeart said:
zeebee1 said:
You mean like actual motivation?
This is the same Spider-Man that MADE A PACT WITH THE DEVIL to save his aged aunt whom everyone TOLD him was dying because her age was catching up to her, not so much the bullet. And he gave up his wife, his life with her AND his unborn daughter just for that.

Never mind that, unlike the Skrull who do keep their word if they seriously give it and have much to gain from it, Mephisto is infamous for not keeping his own end of the bargain...

So yeah, Gwen being alive is motivation enough.
:blink: wait i've basicly been out of the spiderloop since they killed ben rielly

i knew about the deal with the devil but i thought it was mj who made the final decision.

also i didnt know mj was pregnant again, are you telling me that he sacrificed his unborn child for an old lady at the end of her life?

:rant: GAWDDAMIT!! :headbanger:
Bad writing happens. Marvel is pretty much dead to a lot of people, because of decisions like that.
 

DhampyrX2

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#29
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Ok a bad bunny hit me reading the speculation about the Batman RIP and Final Crisis crap where it is speculated that Batman could come back as a Black Lantern (which is like a GL version of Marvel Zombies IMHO).

Of course that got me thinking about something else altogether, namely that we know in canon that the Sinestro Corps tried to recruit Batman and failed. Here's a thought, what if Sinestro tried again? What if he recruited Batman successfully at his weakest, either in Batman RIP or after Darkseid had all but broken him in Final Crisis? How would things play out?

Hell, could Sinestro even control Bruce properly, or would we see a new head of the Yellow Lanterns? After all who knows more about using fear as a weapon than Batman? It literally kept him alive for most of his career. He's even scared the Joker on occasion. The freakin' Joker.
 

Aarik

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#30
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I Cast Life! I Cast Curaja!

Anyway, me and some guys on the Current Neo Toonami Channel (some troll named FAGS or is that trollS keeps reporting them) and an 'idea' came up.

What if someone/thing (most likely a reality warper) gathered up all the lulzyest super hero's?

There was a list thing, Here:

Lobo, Deadpool, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Empowered(suggested for fanservice, and lulz), The Great Lakes Avenger's(maybe optional.).

Add any master's of Epic lulz missed but i think we have enough.

OH WAIT! Plastic Man, maybe The Question.

There might have been more but my connection with them got messed up and i'm out of the conversation till it reconnects.
 

B.B. Rain

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#31
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So, lately, whenever I come across a plot where someone with money/business gets something special, and becomes a superhero, I think, among other things:

-Single Point of Failure, &
-Planning to fail.

So they develop crazy-tech, or chemical superpowers, or they discover/learn some unbeatable ancient fighting technique, and they...keep it to themselves, starting a one-man wave of vigilante-ism.

And then, whenever they fail to stop some crime or atrocity because it was, say, a few miles away and they were busy somewhere else, they get all broody, saying "Oh, I should've stopped that, I could've stopped it, I'm a horrible failure," ignoring the fact that they couldn't be in two places at once (or fifty-something, if they can clone themselves or time-travel without worrying about paradox or something), well, they should've expected this, if they're trying to go it alone.

Or, if they're smart enough to realize they can't do something on their own, they recruit an apprentice or three. A step on the right track, but...not quite what I'm thinking.

Another problem, let's say the worst happens. Hero-Character dies, taking the secret of whatever they had with them, be it knowledge left only in their head (or effectively left there, if all other records are hidden/out-of-reach/unknown to the public,) or because when they died, the only working/existing model of the gimmick (Power Armor, Ray Gun, Super-soldier Formula, etc., etc.) is destroyed or irreparably damaged along with them.

So...Let's look at something different.

[Example]: Iron Man. Tony Stark, same backstory up to the point where he gets home after first developing the Iron Man armor and escaping the terrorists/enemies/whatever-the-current-re-imagined-enemy-is.

Instead of just building one suit of maxed-out armor and moonlighting as a vigilante, he builds his super armor, then goes on a recruiting drive. Reputable mercs, retired cops, discharged soldiers, private detectives, would-be vigilantes who just can't get off the ground, ex-spooks, anyone with a yen to right wrongs (without government/official approval), a halfway decent moral character (by Tony's standards, anyway), the ability to keep their mouth shut, an urge to right wrongs violently (or at least resort to violence if more peaceful methods fail), and the inclination to follow orders, either because they recognize Tony as their leader or they'll fight within his rules as long as he pays them.

Then, having gathered a small (by national standards) army of half-way reliable fighters, Stark equips them all with Iron Tech Armor, and sends them out to fight crime.

Armor that isn't quite as good as his, or has overrides incase one of his recruits goes rogue, but a suit that's still a cut above what anyone else has, at least as far as Stark knows.

So, instead of Tony Stark running around, disappearing at odd times, doing all that one person in crazy-advanced, 100%-current-capability Power Armor can do, or the duo of Stark (Iron Man) and Rhodes (War Machine), there's dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of guys in high-tech, roughly 40-80%-current-capability Power Armor operating in a coordinated manner, taking orders from Boss Stark, who keeps up his normal facade, funding, equipping, maintaining and directing his vigilante militia, either upgrading them or accompanying them in his top-of-the-line Suit whenever something especially dangerous is going down.

Start 'em out on the lower end of the tech scale, about 40% of what he can build, upgrading them bit by bit as the danger/difficulty increases and they've established a history of loyalty and trustworthiness.

Repair their gear with separate, established resources and/or personnel (depending on automated assistance sophistication), to make it harder for them to reverse-engineer the tech, even if it is lower-class then your best.

Teach them enough for basic maintenance, have 'em cross-train in job-related skills and knowledge (y'know, the cops teach police procedure, soldiers teach PT and military discipline, martial artists teach what they can, so on). Heck, don't just limit their education to the Mission, further their education!

Employ them as actual bodyguards, to explain weapons or skills or personality/lifestyle changes, or if they have/want other skills, give them jobs within Stark Industries.

It'd take more money, and resources, and time, and there'd be some troubles with bad apples, turncoats and the like. Stark (or Bruce Wayne, or Oliver Queen, or whoever you pick) wouldn't develop the same experiences, skills, or knowledge if they took a more backstage, leadership role as opposed to being the only guy with the specific capabilities in the thick of things, meaning they might be weaker, or less individually awesome...

...But then again, with more time on their hands, and more experienced sounding boards to bounce ideas off of, and more opportunities to try smaller, individual or team-based variations out, and with the specific example I used, well.

Even with the controls I suggested (reserved tech, control overrides), or anything an actual author might come up with, Tony Stark, with a small army of people aware of some of his secrets and suffering the consequences for his decisions, would have a much more personal moral and ethical safeguard to prevent the jackassery that reared its head in Civil War.

Then again, this could backfire too. Stark had to wait for the Civil War to get put in charge of SHIELD, a military organization, as opposed to the warrior-vigilante style partnership of equals like the Avengers. In this sort of idea, he starts out with that kind of power, raising the possibility of him starting out as a dictatorial prick, instead of becoming one after a history of being an OK, if not excellent, leader. [/Example]

tl;dr: Have the individual heroes with duplicatable gimmicks take Professor X roles, creating super-leagues instead of individual superheroes or small teams.

Focusing back on the newly equipped and/or empowered army we've thrust into the canon environment, it's a shift from the warrior style of the original, to a soldier style of good guy.

Warriors are dangerous, and sometimes have epic team-ups, but tend to work best alone or in small groups. Throw too many warriors at a problem, and they'll get in each other's way.

Soldiers can be dangerous on their own, but provide a greater threat to the enemy as more and more of them work together. Throw more soldiers at a problem, and they'll tend to have a better chance of defeating it.

...

Moving on, I saw Jakkun's post, on 9/12/08, and thought of this fic: Alternative Strategy, by Adrian Tullberg.

Is that anything like what you were thinking of?
 

sith2886

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#32
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what If Malice (from the fantastic four) was more than it appeared to be? What if the cosmic rays were a 'tail feather' off of the Phoenix force and Sue got the really raw end of the deal when it hit them.
 

sith2886

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#33
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What if the roles were reversed, what if it was Cap on the Registration side and Tony fighting it?
 

Prince Charon

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#34
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sith2886 said:
What if the roles were reversed, what if it was Cap on the Registration side and Tony fighting it?
You'd need a pretty good reason for Cap to be for it. Registration was handled very badly, not least because the personal information was going to be held on computers that leak like a sieve.
 

parker

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#35
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Idea: A Misunderstanding of Planetary Proportions

Basically, my idea was 'What If: Planetary at the end of the series landed in New York Earth-616?'
The way Stark, The Fantastic Four, and many other groups handle tech would be the kind of thing that gets to these guys.
 

Thorn

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#36
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Was watching Iron Man 1 last night, had a thought.

Marvel/DC cross: Mainly, Ironman Batman crossover.

How would they interact?

What if they had to team up?

Two rich playboys with two very different attitudes about how they fight crime.
 

Mick

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#37
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There was a brief fanfic on fanfiction.net that had Peter Parker's Aunt and Uncle killed, which led to him somehow being adopted by Bruce Wayne. It never went anywhere though.

Was wondering how it would turn out if written by somebody who knew what they were doing at least.

Edit: Also, why the hell does every fanfic with Ranma joining the Teen Titans suck so badly? I know people don't like the one with Ryouga joining, but hell least the guy who wrote that fic gave a serious try at it.
 

icefire

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#38
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God, no! Every time Peter goes into the DC world it turns into a huge clusterfuck of cliches. Marvel and DC can be crossed over, and I've read at least 4 different fics where the Marvel heroes go into DC, but it's just so boring.

The DC world is so much less dark, at least from what I've seen, and I find batman to be rather ridiculous when you compare him to Peter Parker who doesn't have a Billion dollars of spending money.
 

Chuckg

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#39
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Oh dear God, Bruce and Tony having to work together?

OK, my thoughts:

For one, the story works a lot better if it is in fact Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark having to work together, as opposed to Batman and Iron Man. Not only do the latter two handle entirely different types of cases, but if its primarily about their costumed IDs then there's no interactions between the two playboys: Batman is like heck sharing his secret ID with anyone, especially anyone he's just met.

On the other hand, Wayne Technologies and Stark Enterprises are two of the largest corporations out there not run by supervillains, and both invest heavily in philanthropic works. So if they're going to do a major joint venture (such as 'trying to bring cheap energy to everyone', with Stark supplying the tech and Wayne supplying the funding and distribution and political lobbying), then, that means the two of them have to put on their Armanis, do photo ops, and have business meetings. Which of course means that when the supervillains show up, both of them have to immediately find excuses to duck out and put their costumes on.

Not to mention that Tony will of course try to take Bruce out socializing, because Tony loves to do that, and Bruce Wayne's reputation is as of one of the very few rich people out there even more prone to boozing it up and strippers than Tony Stark is, so, why not? Thus leaving Bruce in outright agony, because of course that entire reputation is faked, plus, Bruce like heck wants to spend all night doing blackjack and hookers with Stark when he's got rooftop patrol time to get in. But... can't alienate temporarily necessary business partner...

And my second thought is that the two of them are not going to get along at all. Or, rather, Bruce is going to spend every second of their interaction clenching his teeth and trying not to show his true feelings. Because Tony Stark genuinely is a lot like Playboy Bruce Wayne is supposed to be like, and Batman doesn't like Playboy Bruce Wayne at all. Yes, Tony's legitimately brilliant and often altruistic, as opposed to Playboy Bruce Wayne, almost entirely self-centered moron... but that will just make Bruce even more in need of antiacid.

Let's face it. Tony's personal habits are often trying even to his less stuffy friends, and Bruce is the most uptight man alive.

So, yes, the comedy potential here is epic. :)

As is the serious drama potential, as, well, any # of people from Lex Luthor on down might be machinating to try and stop whatever vast project of economic good that Waynetech and SE are trying to get up to together.
 

bissek

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#40
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Judge Dredd in Ankh-Morpork.

Mr "I am the Law" dealing with a city so corrupt and crime ridden that the only reason it functions is because the government reorganized itself so that crime and corruption is an official part of the system.
 

Prince Charon

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#41
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Strange & silly DC/Marvel xover:
Spoiler trained by Deadpool. Think about it.
 

Crusader

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#42
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A Marvel/DearS crossover where the DearS instead emergency landed in Genosha under Magneto's reign or Latveria ruled by Dr. Doom instead of Japan.

How do you think Dr. Doom or the Master of Magnetism would receive and handle these alien beings, and how would they react when they discover the truth about the DearS?
 

bissek

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#43
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Scarecrow becomes a Yellow Lantern. Instilling fear in others isn't just something he's good at - it's his life's calling.
 

sworded

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#44
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bissek said:
Scarecrow becomes a Yellow Lantern. Instilling fear in others isn't just something he's good at - it's his life's calling.
He did in Darkest Night; I don't think he got to keep it tough.

Batman, Bruce version, was actually a candidate for a yellow ring when they were first being sent out.
 

bissek

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#45
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ROD/Green Lantern:

A Paper Master is essentially an artificial Green Lantern powered by Bibliomania. What do the Oans think of this?
 

nick012000

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#46
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Crusader said:
A Marvel/DearS crossover where the DearS instead emergency landed in Genosha under Magneto's reign or Latveria ruled by Dr. Doom instead of Japan.

How do you think Dr. Doom or the Master of Magnetism would receive and handle these alien beings, and how would they react when they discover the truth about the DearS?
Dr. Doom determines that they're a genetically engineered slave race, and gives them what they want. Magneto, on the other hand, would probably be appalled, and would probably get any mutant geneticists he's got on hand to try to liberate them.
 

paulo_j1983

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#47
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What if??? Hulk arrives back early. Just after Clor kills Bill Foster.
 
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