Crossovers

[Lord Raa]

Right then, let's get this started, shall we?

This topic is about crossovers and fusions. Now I like them both, I've written few with varying degrees of success, but what on Earth makes people think that just about anything can make a good crossover?

I'm talking about Gundam/Eva, Gundam Wing/Sailor Moon, Ranma/Pretty much any far future crossover, Harry Potter/anything. I'm sure that there are more, but I don't have time right now to think about them (Yes,I'm aware that I'm writing a Ranma/House fic ) .

Now with any crossover, it doesn't matter if the pairing is a crossover one or not, you have to mangle at least one series to get them to fit. Case in point: Half Metal Panic. In order to get them to fit, I made the FMP bits AU and altered Ranma himself slightly.

This rant probably doesn't make much sense right now, but that's ok, when I get back from work, I'll have more time to explain what I really mean.

But in the mean time, feel free to post with your opinions and any links on any of the crossovers/fusions out there that you feel prove of disprove my point and when I get back, we shall see what we can see about clearing things up.

 

[nuclear death frog]

DBZ/anything is generally a lesson in pain.

Mostly because even the weaker Z Senshi are so fucking powerful. This is a series in which some of the principal characters could *destroy planets* in the second big story arc, and then got thousands or millions of times more powerful than that. Having them fight anything but severely cosmic entities is a sick joke.

 

[BlackSun]

Yeah. The only thing you can cross with DBZ is Lovecraft. Goku vs. Cthulhu(sp?) shouldn't be too bad of a fight.

 

[Lord Raa]

Yes, DBZZZzzzz doesn't really fit with anything.

It doesn't help that I don't care for any of the Dragon Ball series (ugly character designs and its repetitive nature can hardly be considered strengths in my book), but the fact that all the characters are insanely powerful compared to pretty much every other anime character makes for a one sided fight.

Trigun is another series that doesn't fit well with much.

With all due respect to SimmyC, I don't see Eva and FMA making a good crossover. I will admit that I haven't read it yet, so I could be missing out on the finest Eva crossover fic in the history of fandom, but the two don't spring to mind as potential for crossing over easily when compared to Noir and Gunslinger Girl Noir/Madlax or Crimson Skies/Last Exile.

But then again, what do I know about fanfiction?

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

I've read a number of very good crossover fics in my time, I even came across one that spliced FFVII, Street Fighter, Tekken, and friggin' Pokemon and somehow managed to be a decent enough fic.

Now, I know full well that there are plenty of stupid as hell crossovers out there, though I've never read one myself (I don't subject myself to masochistic torture, thank you very much). In the wrong hands, The Crossover can be a powerful tool of evil, bringing misfortune and pain on any stupid enough not to notice the AOLspeak and run away screaming right off the bat.

However, wielded properly, The Crossover can be a glorious thing bringing prosperity and happiness to those who read it. One need only look at Bobbin Cranbud's Convergence to agree, because that shit rocked.

 

[hawker_748]

Crossovers eh?

Since we seem to be talking about BAD crossover ideas, here's an insane idea I DARE someone to try...

Not me of course, I'm not that nuts...

Love Hina and...

The Shield.

Yes, the one with Vic Mackey. Great show, but hardly good crossover fodder.

On the other hand, a Brilliant crossover story I've read is Children of an Elder God. Combines EVA with H. P. Lovecraft.

Absolutely wonderful, but it hasn't been updated in far too long...

 

[Lord Raa]

I've seen another Lovecraft/Eva crossover - Sic Semper Mortiertoiureopjoi or whatever it's called.


Spelling and grammar are fine, it's just that the ACC did my head in so much, I had to stop reading it.

But what makes a good crossover in your opinion(s)?

Minimal manipulation of canon events to get the people interacting?

Geography? I should point out that just because Nerima and Juuban are relatively close together, it doesn't mean that Ranma and Sailor Moon is always a brilliant idea. Spider-Man and Friends (the sitcom) are both set in New York, so does that mean our favourite webslinger should swing by Central Perk?

The fact that certain characters would make a good match up ?

Or perhaps there's something else that sparks the whole thing off?

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Love Hina and...

The Shield.

Vic Mackey tests Keitaro's immortality while searching for clues about two dead hookers (Kitsune and Naru), two Yakuza hitwomen (Motoko and Kanako/Haruka), a missing princess (Kaolla), and a child sex slave trade (Shinobu)?

Hey, it could work...

 

[hawker_748]

Love Hina and...

The Shield.

Vic Mackey tests Keitaro's immortality while searching for clues about two dead hookers (Kitsune and Naru), two Yakuza hitwomen (Motoko and Kanako/Haruka), a missing princess (Kaolla), and a child sex slave trade (Shinobu)?

Hey, it could work...

Dammit, why did you have to say that?

Now the gears in my head have started turning...

Strike Team vs. Ronin Landlord?

Haruka flirting with Shane?

Vic and Kanako glaring at each other?

Kentaro getting bitch-slapped by Vic and company?

Damn, now this is going to stew all day...

 

[Lord Raa]

Love Hina and...

The Shield.

Vic Mackey tests Keitaro's immortality while searching for clues about two dead hookers (Kitsune and Naru), two Yakuza hitwomen (Motoko and Kanako/Haruka), a missing princess (Kaolla), and a child sex slave trade (Shinobu)?

Hey, it could work...

Though you'd have to play it for laughs, it's a workable idea.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Right then, let's get this started, shall we?

This topic is about crossovers and fusions. Now I like them both, I've written few with varying degrees of success, but what on Earth makes people think that just about anything can make a good crossover?

I'm talking about Gundam/Eva, Gundam Wing/Sailor Moon, Ranma/Pretty much any far future crossover, Harry Potter/anything. I'm sure that there are more, but I don't have time right now to think about them (Yes,I'm aware that I'm writing a Ranma/House fic ) .

Now with any crossover, it doesn't matter if the pairing is a crossover one or not, you have to mangle at least one series to get them to fit. Case in point: Half Metal Panic. In order to get them to fit, I made the FMP bits AU and altered Ranma himself slightly.

This rant probably doesn't make much sense right now, but that's ok, when I get back from work, I'll have more time to explain what I really mean.

But in the mean time, feel free to post with your opinions and any links on any of the crossovers/fusions out there that you feel prove of disprove my point and when I get back, we shall see what we can see about clearing things up.

Harry Potter actually crosses over very well with Valkyrie Profile, due to the fact basically everyone in VP is either a God or a spirit. It can also cross over well with Negima, given some minor fixing.

The rest can rot though.

And as far as mangling series, actually there is one series that would fit perfect?y with Ranma: Compiler by Kia Asamiya. Both series take place in Nerima, and both casts cause huge property damage, but they always act in the general neighborhood where they live. Further, both casts' mains have... issues with water (Compiler and Assembler pass out when they get wet in the rain. Must be because they're electronic lifeforms).

That's not to say that 99% of crossovers doesn't stink, but some have the potential to be good.

 

[GenocideHeart]

DBZ/anything is generally a lesson in pain.

Mostly because even the weaker Z Senshi are so fucking powerful. This is a series in which some of the principal characters could *destroy planets* in the second big story arc, and then got thousands or millions of times more powerful than that. Having them fight anything but severely cosmic entities is a sick joke.

Just for the record, DBZ would actually fit well with Bastard!!. After all, in the later issues of Bastard!!, we have Dark Schneider escape a BLACK HOLE and take out the first three layers of Hell itself with just the shockwaves from one of his attacks.

Meanwhile, The Beast (you know, 666?) is flying towards earth, and making stars blow up just by flying too close to them.

Hell, any one of the four Seraphim could break the earth in half just by powering up to 100% on its surface...

 

[SimmyC]

With all due respect to SimmyC, I don't see Eva and FMA making a good crossover. I will admit that I haven't read it yet, so I could be missing out on the finest Eva crossover fic in the history of fandom, but the two don't spring to mind as potential for crossing over easily when compared to Noir and Gunslinger Girl Noir/Madlax or Crimson Skies/Last Exile.

Well, I thought it crossed over well when I started writing it. Seriously, on one hand, I agree with that FMA and Evangelion are not the two series you'd think of crossing over with. And while I have a number of crossover stories planned/in the works, well, let's just say they are not all hits (I mean, WTF was I thinking when I crossed over Teen Titans/Ghost in the Shell? <_< ). However, my FMA/Evangelion fic is currently my most popular story on FFN. More popular than any of my Teen Titan fics, even though they have been around longer. The only one that might give it a run for its money is "Valliant Shinji" (and in a way, it is an unofficial crossover story too with the Bleach characters there. ), but still, FME is miles ahead of it in terms of popularlity.

The way crossover stories work, is that you try to find elements that are shared in both stories that could be used to make a great story in a belivable fashion. The way I made "Fullmetal Evangelion" work was by, instead of having the FMA group somehow exist in the same universe as Evangelion, I did the ole "what if they found a portal, well, made one with alchemy, and crossed it over there?" Given that both series work with supernatual elements, but are also grounded in science (even if the science in FMA is 'alchemy'), military elements, and the question of life and death (what the Angel attacks mean. The consequences of trying to bring back their mother and what exactly is a soul in the FMA verse), I built the story around this basic notion.

Now, there are times when crossovers are, well, abused. I mean, how many series can be crossed over with Sailor Moon or Inuyasha anyways? <_< And of course, if they are WAY out there (Cowboy Bebop/Powderpuff Girls) no way in hell that one will work (unless, you're going with Excel Sagaish comedy! But other than that, not all crossovers will work!)!

 

[Israfel]

DBZ/anything is generally a lesson in pain.

Mostly because even the weaker Z Senshi are so fucking powerful. This is a series in which some of the principal characters could *destroy planets* in the second big story arc, and then got thousands or millions of times more powerful than that. Having them fight anything but severely cosmic entities is a sick joke.

I think this sums the whole "I can destroy the universe" thing up pretty well, and you also get a peek into the sad thing that is Goku's life when he's not fighting off super-cosmotacular-earth-destroying-beings.

 

[Lord Raa]

Well, I thought it crossed over well when I started writing it.

I know this all too well, for example, I wrote what is, to my knowledge, the only Ranma/Gasaraki story out there. But Project Mile Two was only my second ever fanfic. It's also incredibly rough and will be polished up a bit if/when I write the next chapter.

One of the reasons why I wrote it was because I felt that there were too many stories that had Ranma related to Tenchi Masaki.

 

[GenocideHeart]

The only one that might give it a run for its money is "Valliant Shinji" (and in a way, it is an unofficial crossover story too with the Bleach characters there. ), but still, FME is miles ahead of it in terms of popularlity.

Actualy, Valiant Shinji looks to me more like a Cyberbots/NGE crossover. If you know how the Blodia's pilot, Jin Saotome, acts (just play Marvel vs. Capcom and you'll see why I think he and Shinji could be twins in your fic), then you'll understand...

 

[Lord Raa]

Speaking of dodgy crossovers, I found this monstrosity from a certain fiend

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Love Hina and...

The Shield.

Vic Mackey tests Keitaro's immortality while searching for clues about two dead hookers (Kitsune and Naru), two Yakuza hitwomen (Motoko and Kanako/Haruka), a missing princess (Kaolla), and a child sex slave trade (Shinobu)?

Hey, it could work...

Dammit, why did you have to say that?

Now the gears in my head have started turning...

Strike Team vs. Ronin Landlord?

Haruka flirting with Shane?

Vic and Kanako glaring at each other?

Kentaro getting bitch-slapped by Vic and company?

Damn, now this is going to stew all day...

And everything proceeds as I planned

 

[GenocideHeart]

Speaking of dodgy crossovers, I found this monstrosity from a certain fiend

<_<

The hell? Hellsing/Gundam Wing? Oh God.

...I'm considering writing a quasi-crossover myself. Negima/Tales of Phantasia.

The premise is a simple one, really. What if Negi was... the reincarnation of Derris-Kharlan's God of War, Dhaos?

 

[Lord Raa]

Well, I'll be honest, it was one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time.

It was also in protest to the mountain of yaoi fics that are out there. Having watched Gundam Wing in both English and Japanese, I can't say that Heero comes off as gay.

Some of the other character, yes, I can see why people would write yaoi fics with them doing whatever the fangirls wanted.

Besides, is it any worse than those "what if there wwas a sixth pilot?" fics out there?


I will also admit that I am thinking of doing a rewrite and giving it a mature rating. Though there is one problem with that - it might come off as a pale imitation of Don't Stop Me Now

 

[SimmyC]

Well, if anyone is wondering about my crossover story. The main one is here. Fullmetal Evangelion. :unsure:

And again, this IS my most popular/famous story on FFN. It has the most reviews/chapters ratio than any of my story with exception of Valliant Shinji. And it has the most people that have it as their favorites. Second actually is my Teen Titans fic "Dangerous Love Affair", but that one is a story that's been completed a LONG time ago.

Of course, like most of my stories, it is in desperate need of an update. Not as bad as ULSI, but well, it hasn't been updated this year.

 

[Lord Raa]

Of course, like most of my stories, it is in desperate need of an update. Not as bad as ULSI, but well, it hasn't been updated this year.

Pfft, amatuer. I've got one that hasn't been updated for nearly three years


Super Giant Robot Carnival - A Ranma/Patlabor fusion, in case any of you were wondering....

 

[Israfel]

Heh, just a side note Raa, I downloaded and listened to the Queen song "Don't Stop Me Now" and I've just gotta' say I love that song, I've had it going for most of the past few days and I have it playing as I type this actually. You just can't beat that voice of Freddy Mercury's, amazing, too bad about the whole gay pedophilia thing though, heh.

 

[TheWickerMan]

Heh, just a side note Raa, I downloaded and listened to the Queen song "Don't Stop Me Now" and I've just gotta' say I love that song, I've had it going for most of the past few days and I have it playing as I type this actually. You just can't beat that voice of Freddy Mercury's, amazing, too bad about the whole gay pedophilia thing though, heh.

Woah woah woah.

Freddie was quoted as saying "I'm as a gay as a daffodil."

BUT he was not a pedophile. Gary Glitter was. But not Freddie Mercury.

 

[Israfel]

Woah woah woah.

Freddie was quoted as saying "I'm as a gay as a daffodil."

BUT he was not a pedophile. Gary Glitter was. But not Freddie Mercury.

When a guy's preferred lover is a boy under the age of 15 I think that counts as pedophilia.