Damn You Kishimoto !!!!!

[GenocideHeart]

I don't know if it's just my imagination . . . but this TFF was better in the old days schtick really smacks of elitism to me.? Which is ironic, in a pathetic kind of way.

Oh, it's entirely possible that it's elitism - my view is biased, after all. But personally, I think it's more an issue with changes. I've been on way too many forums that went up shit creek without a paddle, and a lot of the warning signs I saw in the early stages are popping up here.

One thing you cannot deny, however, is that flamewars are getting alarmingly frequent here. Back in the 'old days', it wasn't an issue.

It might be just a matter of size, but I don't buy it, because a bunch of the ones who are involved in said flamewars are fairly regular posters, not n00bs and lurkers.

 

[novamaru]

I thought it was an awful story in the first place.

 

[fenixzero]

Still, the dude has a point. Fucking giving Sasuke Mangekyo... :no:? :no:

Not gooing t make me stop writing or reading the manga...but man.? :no:? :no:? :no:

That's only true by a technicality.

Sasuke, as far as I can tell, can't activate the techniques, and probably won't be able to for a while. The only way to activate them so far is to see Uchiha Madara's Sharingan.

At least, that's what I can tell. :huh.:

Doesn't change the fact that he actually has it.

No offense, GRC, but I really hate this type of thinking.

You aren't (seemingly) even thinking about the negatives that go along with the 'power-up'. Or maybe another way to put it, the current limits on said 'power-up'. Like Vassago said, the only thing we know is that it only (currently) works against Tobi/Madara, until its shown to work for him in general, and properly I might add, then this type of thinking brings down the fandom.

Also people are clearly ignoring the loss of several other 'power-ups'. So at the very least, he is breaking even.

On the other side, I realize that this type of thinking prevents people from being upset about something, if they already believed it to be the case.

On topic, that author couldn't even spell properly in the abandonment notice, that shows me the story would have been crap, or at least hard to read. So no big loss either way.

 

[Moshulel]

You aren't (seemingly) even thinking about the negatives that go along with the 'power-up'.

This reminds me of the first time we got to see the cursed seals around.

Me:

"Well, it's not so bad, they have drawbacks..."

Bakamoto:

"Uchiha Godmod! Drawbacks? Plot holes? What's that!?"

Given the precedent I doubt we'll be seeing anything else than 'Power-up' for Sasuke in the manga. That is if I gain the courage to look over another chapter.

One thing you cannot deny, however, is that flamewars are getting alarmingly frequent here. Back in the 'old days', it wasn't an issue

That's the price you have to pay from going from the close, tight knit community TFF was in its early days to the multi thousand community it is now. I can't say I enjoy some of the changes that took place, but that's that.

Ya know, I'm not really sure why people think you should still write faniction for something you hate.

They don't have to. People are writing fanfiction for fun, their own first and foremost, if the fun is gone... then why bother? Some might find gratification due to the fanbase they have for a story, but it's not the case for all of them and it just comes down to a simple question: "What does writing this does for me?"

If there's no fun or satisfaction coming out of it...

 

[Seed00]

Still, the dude has a point. Fucking giving Sasuke Mangekyo... :no:á :no:

Not gooing t make me stop writing or reading the manga...but man.á :no:á :no:á :no:

That's only true by a technicality.

Sasuke, as far as I can tell, can't activate the techniques, and probably won't be able to for a while. The only way to activate them so far is to see Uchiha Madara's Sharingan.

At least, that's what I can tell. :huh.:

Doesn't change the fact that he actually has it.

No offense, GRC, but I really hate this type of thinking.

You aren't (seemingly) even thinking about the negatives that go along with the 'power-up'. Or maybe another way to put it, the current limits on said 'power-up'. Like Vassago said, the only thing we know is that it only (currently) works against Tobi/Madara, until its shown to work for him in general, and properly I might add, then this type of thinking brings down the fandom.

Also people are clearly ignoring the loss of several other 'power-ups'. So at the very least, he is breaking even.

On the other side, I realize that this type of thinking prevents people from being upset about something, if they already believed it to be the case.

On topic, that author couldn't even spell properly in the abandonment notice, that shows me the story would have been crap, or at least hard to read. So no big loss either way.

The curse seal may have been sealed but we still have to wait and see for Sasuke to try and use it.

Although he may have gained an auto-fire Amaterasu, we still can't verify whether his chakra levels went up or down.

 

[InternetLOL]

The curse seal may have been sealed but we still have to wait and see for Sasuke to try and use it.

Although he may have gained an auto-fire Amaterasu, we still can't verify whether his chakra levels went up or down.

Chakra doesn't matter anymore. It's canon. :sisi:

 

[trevelyan1983]

Oh, it's entirely possible that it's elitism - my view is biased, after all. But personally, I think it's more an issue with changes. I've been on way too many forums that went up shit creek without a paddle, and a lot of the warning signs I saw in the early stages are popping up here.

One thing you cannot deny, however, is that flamewars are getting alarmingly frequent here. Back in the 'old days', it wasn't an issue.

It might be just a matter of size, but I don't buy it, because a bunch of the ones who are involved in said flamewars are fairly regular posters, not n00bs and lurkers.

Well, that there is a whole different story. Indeed, I think you're onto something, GH. And that's sad, because none of us came to TFF for Nerd Rage and Flame Wars.

 

[jaredstar]

i think part of the problems is we have a lot of type A and type B personalities on this board, and the more there are of us the more we are going to but heads over things

 

[zeebee1]

Don't excluede your self. It's we.

 

[jaredstar]

i gotta learn to watch what i am doing when i type.


it wasn't intentional but i can see how it might have made me look like a jack ass

 

[SimmyC]

Oh, it's entirely possible that it's elitism - my view is biased, after all. But personally, I think it's more an issue with changes. I've been on way too many forums that went up shit creek without a paddle, and a lot of the warning signs I saw in the early stages are popping up here.

One thing you cannot deny, however, is that flamewars are getting alarmingly frequent here. Back in the 'old days', it wasn't an issue.

It might be just a matter of size, but I don't buy it, because a bunch of the ones who are involved in said flamewars are fairly regular posters, not n00bs and lurkers.

Well, that there is a whole different story. Indeed, I think you're onto something, GH. And that's sad, because none of us came to TFF for Nerd Rage and Flame Wars.

I agree.

I too believe that TFF was better before. And like your previous reply before this one, that may sound elitist on the outset. However, agreeing with GH here, it's also/mostly due to the changes that occurred.

It isn't that TFF is more popular that I feel that this forum is going downhill to an extent. It's not the n00bs fault since, like GH, we have plenty of 'regulars' that cause problems.

It's the fact that flame wars and arguments are becoming more frequent. The idea of 'getting along' or even the concept of 'agree to disagree' is being thrown right out the window.

Don't get me wrong, if someone comes up and tries to argue why "Sasuke is a great character that we should all love and not hate", that would cause a negative reaction with me and most of the forum. However, instead of debating in a mild manner, such threads usually degrade into flame wars. And that's not good.


Another problem is when a thread goes off topic. Before when a thread goes off topic, something interesting could be brought up. Like, a story idea about Love Hina, and we get a mini-discussion on Japanese culture. That info could inspire the thread starter to incorporate that discussion in order to not only improve his story, but make it relate better to the original canon (i.e. not make it too American). But recently, I've been noticing threads that go OT, and instead of being informative, degrade into a cesspool of animosity and hatred towards fellow TFFers. I mean a harmless one like say "Which one should Naruto be with" could easily go off tangent and cause a flame war... UNRELATED to the original topic. Like, maybe a replier said Sakura, and then someone goes into a topic of BDSM, and then we get a flame war on the morality of BDSM. This helps no one, and only causes more people to be frustrated, and might even cause the original topic starter to delete the thread altogether (or even Hawk himself). Even if it was just one or two bad apples, a potentially good thread goes because of a few.

[edit]And just in case you go look for those topics... well, they don't exist AFAIK. Or at least didn't degrade in the scenario I brought up. I only used them as a 'what if' that IMO, is sounding a lot like what TFF is currently going through. <_<

 

[Garahs]

You know, I'll probably yet yelled at by someone for this, but I feel I have to mention it. Kishimoto began drawing Naruto for the same reason people are writing fanfiction: for the fun of it. That some people don't like Sasuke and the power-ups he's given him don't change that. I have no doubt that if Kishimoto gets tired of it, he'll move on to something else.

 

[parker]

You know, I'll probably yet yelled at by someone for this, but I feel I have to mention it. Kishimoto began drawing Naruto for the same reason people are writing fanfiction: for the fun of it. That some people don't like Sasuke and the power-ups he's given him don't change that. I have no doubt that if Kishimoto gets tired of it, he'll move on to something else.

He kinda can't, becuase, if he doesn't write what his bosses want he's fucked. Fucked up the ass without lube.