Damn You Kishimoto !!!!!
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I find this logic odd. Yes, sometimes I write fanfiction because I don't like an aspect of the canon. However, MOST of the time I write fanfiction because I want to see something different. I mean, there are aspects of Ah! My Goddess I'm not very fond of. But over all, I'm STILL a fan of the whole series. That doesn't stop me from going "Hmm. What if I change this? How would that change the canon?"
My stories come out not from hate of the canon. If I hated the canon, I'm not a fan. And what I'm writing ISN'T Fanfiction.
True.
But you're not like everyone. And stop assuming everyone should think like you. Yes, sometimes if the canon goes to shit at a certain point, then I could simply cut off the part that is 'shit' when writing fanfiction. However, there are times when, what happened in the latter part so enrages me, that it affects my enjoyment of even the part that was 'good'. After all, sometimes, you can excuse say early warnings that Sasuke could be uber-powerful in part 1. But when they are on full display in part 2, I begin to hate even part 1 for it. Am I wrong to think that?
I obviously don't feel the same way. Again, I write fanfiction not simply because I 'hate' the original canon, but that, I enjoy 'what ifs?' All the series I write for have aspects that I may not like, and yes, result in my writing fics that change an aspect here or two. But that's not the same as no longer being a fan of said series. After all, given how bad Naruto turned out, that even killed my own fic ideas for the series. Again, it's hard to write/continue a story when you're no longer a fan of the original canon.
We're not being paid for this. We're not obligated to 'rewrite' or 'fix' Kishimoto's shithole. People seem to forget that people write fanfiction on the basis that it is... fun. Entertainment. Something like minded fans enjoy in their spare time. When it stops being fun, people stop writing.
IMO, I too detected a distinct drop in quality. It isn't simply the n00bs causing problems either. But the idea that we're all somehow 'better' than the FFNers when, we have silly arguments that result in people getting pissed off. I'll refrain from naming names but, there seem to be people here that all they want to do, is argue. I'm for the most part here to stay. But it's obvious I was not as active on the forums as I used to be.
My stories come out not from hate of the canon. If I hated the canon, I'm not a fan. And what I'm writing ISN'T Fanfiction.
True.
But you're not like everyone. And stop assuming everyone should think like you. Yes, sometimes if the canon goes to shit at a certain point, then I could simply cut off the part that is 'shit' when writing fanfiction. However, there are times when, what happened in the latter part so enrages me, that it affects my enjoyment of even the part that was 'good'. After all, sometimes, you can excuse say early warnings that Sasuke could be uber-powerful in part 1. But when they are on full display in part 2, I begin to hate even part 1 for it. Am I wrong to think that?
I obviously don't feel the same way. Again, I write fanfiction not simply because I 'hate' the original canon, but that, I enjoy 'what ifs?' All the series I write for have aspects that I may not like, and yes, result in my writing fics that change an aspect here or two. But that's not the same as no longer being a fan of said series. After all, given how bad Naruto turned out, that even killed my own fic ideas for the series. Again, it's hard to write/continue a story when you're no longer a fan of the original canon.
We're not being paid for this. We're not obligated to 'rewrite' or 'fix' Kishimoto's shithole. People seem to forget that people write fanfiction on the basis that it is... fun. Entertainment. Something like minded fans enjoy in their spare time. When it stops being fun, people stop writing.
IMO, I too detected a distinct drop in quality. It isn't simply the n00bs causing problems either. But the idea that we're all somehow 'better' than the FFNers when, we have silly arguments that result in people getting pissed off. I'll refrain from naming names but, there seem to be people here that all they want to do, is argue. I'm for the most part here to stay. But it's obvious I was not as active on the forums as I used to be.
Look, people will do what they wanna do and they'll justify it whatever way they wanna justify it. At the end of the day, you don't have a say in their decisions and most definitely don't have a right to criticize their choices.
So- fucking deal with it and stop bitching.
Well, that came out a bit harsh. But seriously, why bother?
So- fucking deal with it and stop bitching.
Well, that came out a bit harsh. But seriously, why bother?
Hitler wanted power and saw Jews and jingo-ism as an excuse to get it. Now, from what I can tell whats-his-face was sick of PTS and decided to stop writing. You might think that's a stupid reason but he might have had a stronger attachment to canon than you did/do. He might feel that his work is endorsing a series that he no longer supports.
Heh, criticizing a complete stranger's work is a method of choice to teach writing, isn't? Teach by example and what -not- to do. Nearly always in such classes, when an excellent example is shown, a pathetic one has to be shown as well to emphasize the differences. And maybe subtly hint at what certain persons writing is like.
Finally looks at this thread, as was curious as to what it was about.
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Glances back through this and wonders why it is in General and not Naruto.
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After thinking on this, I think this thread is pointless. And that assessment has nothing to do with the fact this is a Naruto story.
One thing to point out is *any* fan fiction author in *any* series fandom has the right *for whatever reason* to stop his or her stories. Do I like that statement? Well, no, not particularly. I would be quite the liar considering how many stories I've seen that are long dead that I have liked if I said I liked it. But that is the truth, nonetheless.
Another thing to point out is that making a special thread for this makes little sense. I could likely make a couple hundred threads just on the authors I know that have not been updated in the last year. Heck, a glance at my personal listings show I myself am tracking depending on how counted some 274 such authors. Even limiting myself to the *great* ones yields dozens. Authors come, and they go. In the case of many, either Real life gets them, or interest wanes, or in a few, are chased of by either fans or protesters to their works.
And finally... I consider it perfectly valid to evaluate and comment on a work. Even if I've never met the creator, which I cannot say I've ever done for any piece of fan fiction I have ever read. But, that does not extend to the creator outside the work. I've no right to state or determine he or she can or must continue their creations when they do not wish to. While I can make assumptions about their lives, that does not make those assumptions true. I do as a consumer of their works have the right to ask.
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Glances back through this and wonders why it is in General and not Naruto.
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After thinking on this, I think this thread is pointless. And that assessment has nothing to do with the fact this is a Naruto story.
One thing to point out is *any* fan fiction author in *any* series fandom has the right *for whatever reason* to stop his or her stories. Do I like that statement? Well, no, not particularly. I would be quite the liar considering how many stories I've seen that are long dead that I have liked if I said I liked it. But that is the truth, nonetheless.
Another thing to point out is that making a special thread for this makes little sense. I could likely make a couple hundred threads just on the authors I know that have not been updated in the last year. Heck, a glance at my personal listings show I myself am tracking depending on how counted some 274 such authors. Even limiting myself to the *great* ones yields dozens. Authors come, and they go. In the case of many, either Real life gets them, or interest wanes, or in a few, are chased of by either fans or protesters to their works.
And finally... I consider it perfectly valid to evaluate and comment on a work. Even if I've never met the creator, which I cannot say I've ever done for any piece of fan fiction I have ever read. But, that does not extend to the creator outside the work. I've no right to state or determine he or she can or must continue their creations when they do not wish to. While I can make assumptions about their lives, that does not make those assumptions true. I do as a consumer of their works have the right to ask.
You can ask why they chose to do whatever. You don't have the right to argue with someone or bash on them because of their choices. Mutter and curse all you want, but put that in rants. I don't need to see it.
And I'll clarify my position because some people are misinterpriting it. When people are doing something wrong- point it out. If you don't like what someone is doing- Deal
Now there can be debate on what's wrong and what's not, but I think it's pretty clear-cut here. The author has the right to stop writing.
And I'll clarify my position because some people are misinterpriting it. When people are doing something wrong- point it out. If you don't like what someone is doing- Deal
Now there can be debate on what's wrong and what's not, but I think it's pretty clear-cut here. The author has the right to stop writing.
I can't? But I do it (almost) everyday (to different people, of course). Millions of people probably (that may be an exaggeration but...you should get my point) do it everyday.
It should be should not criticize a choice, because can not would be like saying you can't take a shit when you're already taking one. ^_^ I don't know about you, but I wouldn't stop because somebody barged in on me when I'm taking a number two (#2) and told me to stop.
Oh, and I agree -- (all) authors (should, and probably do) have the right to stop writing whenever they feel like it.
It should be should not criticize a choice, because can not would be like saying you can't take a shit when you're already taking one. ^_^ I don't know about you, but I wouldn't stop because somebody barged in on me when I'm taking a number two (#2) and told me to stop.
Oh, and I agree -- (all) authors (should, and probably do) have the right to stop writing whenever they feel like it.
An author does not (should not) pander to his fans by writing what they want him to write, and nor does (should) he write for anyone but himself. As a teller of tales, the task of an author is to create (or, in the case of fanfiction, explore) and then use his own words to show us the unique world (fandom) that only he can see inside of his mind, taking us on a journey that we cannot otherwise experience without him. If that world shuts itself off to him, or if something happens to the author that makes him dislike what he is doing as a hobby/job/waste of time, then this journey is simply not going to happen -- the world (or fandom) closes itself to the author, or makes itself less accessible the more he grows to dislike it or what he is doing.
Who in the fuck are we to criticize him or lose respect for him? We are not the ones who have had an entire mental reality shut off from us; are not the ones who have had their entire imaginary civilizations destroyed, or hidden from sight simply because of a bad day or experience: we are the fans, and as fans we should encourage the author -- be they good, bad, or omgwtftentacles -- to continue writing and to not give up on what they like to do, even if we do not like what they choose to write next. Anything else is needless whining or posturing on selfish scale so large as to be considered childish, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to make someone go back to something that they hate doing just for your own gratification.
TL;DR Version: If you don't like a decision an author makes, tough fucking nuts. If he's really worth anything as a story-teller, then he ain't in the writing business for your ass, anyway.
Who in the fuck are we to criticize him or lose respect for him? We are not the ones who have had an entire mental reality shut off from us; are not the ones who have had their entire imaginary civilizations destroyed, or hidden from sight simply because of a bad day or experience: we are the fans, and as fans we should encourage the author -- be they good, bad, or omgwtftentacles -- to continue writing and to not give up on what they like to do, even if we do not like what they choose to write next. Anything else is needless whining or posturing on selfish scale so large as to be considered childish, and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to make someone go back to something that they hate doing just for your own gratification.
TL;DR Version: If you don't like a decision an author makes, tough fucking nuts. If he's really worth anything as a story-teller, then he ain't in the writing business for your ass, anyway.
*Ugh*
I put this cause I am just a little sad cause I won't be able to read the next part. And I am right that lot of TFFers here not like it. But I don't expect this to become a ... I don't know what to say.
Please everyone, we come here as fellow TFFers. If you don't like it, don't like it. Put your opinion. But don't attack on other opinion here. At least PM the one that opinion you don't like.
Thats all. Lets us all together holding hands as fellow brothers and sisters of TFF.
FOR THE GLORY OF TFF!!! DEATH TO YAOI-FANGIRLS AND FANBOYS!!! DESTROY THE EMO!!! CLEANSE THE FANFICWORLD FROM THE MARY SUE!!! YAAAAAA...HAAAA...!!!!!
I put this cause I am just a little sad cause I won't be able to read the next part. And I am right that lot of TFFers here not like it. But I don't expect this to become a ... I don't know what to say.
Please everyone, we come here as fellow TFFers. If you don't like it, don't like it. Put your opinion. But don't attack on other opinion here. At least PM the one that opinion you don't like.
Thats all. Lets us all together holding hands as fellow brothers and sisters of TFF.
FOR THE GLORY OF TFF!!! DEATH TO YAOI-FANGIRLS AND FANBOYS!!! DESTROY THE EMO!!! CLEANSE THE FANFICWORLD FROM THE MARY SUE!!! YAAAAAA...HAAAA...!!!!!