Nasuverse Darker Than FATE

[MastaofBitches]

First off; Mike your opinion is not wanted, or needed, I already know you're not gonna say anything useful, so don't say anything at all.

I originally got the idea from Verg AvestaÆs ôFakerö snippet from his Christmas fic, and it just sort of snowballed from there.

It was supposed to be a sort of fusion of Darker than Black and Fate/Stay Night, with Shirou acting as the ôHeiö of the story, with Illya as his ôYinö

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len (I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Tohsaka Rin, of course, is not happy with that set up for three reasons:

He killed her sister.

He had Kirei lock her up in his basement until the war was over.

She loves Emiya Shirou, and hates the person who has replaced him.

SheÆs the Huang of the group, the person who does their job and keeps the rest of them alive, regardless of how much they hate the people they have to work with.

I had originally planned it to go something similar to DTB, but I figured it would do better as a Character development type fic with bits of ShirouxIllya and ShirouxRin thrown in for flavour.

And an epic fight scene between The Fujimura Yakuza and the Mages Association.

Since then, it was mostly going to focus on Shirou, and how interactions with his group slowly brings out the real Shirou, during the period Shirou is slowly evolving into a character closer resembling himself, the organization decide he has out lived his usefulness, and try to have him killed.

Of course, that would be the turning point in the fic, where characters have to pick their sides, or suffer the consequences, with Rin being the one with the hardest time choosing who to help.

The fic isn't exactly meant to be overly romantic, it's just supposed to focus mostly on Shirou gradually evoolving from an emotionless mage killer, into a character more like a fusion of himself and Archer.

I just thought using characters he's already familiar with would make it easier for him to understand them.

I'd be trying to aim for something where, despite it's mind of steel origins, it's really just Shirou attempting to shut down his emotions in order to stop himself being completely overcome with guilt.

He konws, and understands, that what he did was fundementally what was best for "The Greater Good" but the guilt of killing the woman he loves, who also happened to be the sister of one of his friends, drives him to the point of simply shutting his humanity down.

Illya follows him out of pity, she knows how bad a life of lonelyness can get, and she knows what he's doing to himself, and wants him to stop, because he's still her big brother.

There was more to it then that, but I honestly canÆt remember what Irun helped me come with in the end and since I can't get into my BL PM's I don't think I'm going to be able to retrieve the full idea..

 

[Ragnarock]

First off; Mike your opinion is not wanted, or needed, I already know you're not gonna say anything useful, so don't say anything at all.

<s>Mike's anti-authoritarian, tell him left and he'll go right as a ways of saying "Fuck you" in your face. Left side could have a field of dancing, naked Sakuras and the right could be a MoS ending where everyone lives happily but it won't matter, he'll still go right.</s>

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len (I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Mike's response:<s> There is no way MoS Shirou to have a happy ending because he murdered an innocent girl in cold blood (whowouldresultinhundredsofpeopledeadifleftalive...but *insert justification here*) and Rin would snap because her sister was killed and she should be dead....</s>

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len.

So, would this cause some rivalry between her and Illya?

(I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Did something happen to your account on BL?

I had originally planned it to go something similar to DTB, but I figured it would do better as a Character development type fic with bits of ShirouxIllya and ShirouxRin thrown in for flavour.

Will this be a loli Illya or a grown-up version as in, the Yin from the series or the Yin from the OVAs?

And I like the situation you've put Rin in, but what exactly is stopping her from running away from the group? Did Shirou blackmail her or something?

There was more to it then that, but I honestly canÆt remember what Irun helped me come with in the end and since I can't get into my BL PM's I don't think I'm going to be able to retrieve the full idea..

You could ask IRUN to re-send them to you.



In all honesty, when you first mentioned a DtBXF/SN fic, I thought you were gonna do a cross-over so I naturally had low expectations, but after reading through this post, your ideas seem like the recipes of a great fic.

 

[MastaofBitches]

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len.

So, would this cause some rivalry between her and Illya?

Possibly, Len would be the "mao" of the group.

(I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Did something happen to your account on BL?

I got perma-banned, so now I can't even browse the forum...

I had originally planned it to go something similar to DTB, but I figured it would do better as a Character development type fic with bits of ShirouxIllya and ShirouxRin thrown in for flavour.

Will this be a loli Illya or a grown-up version as in, the Yin from the series or the Yin from the OVAs?

And I like the situation you've put Rin in, but what exactly is stopping her from running away from the group? Did Shirou blackmail her or something?

No, the only thing stopping Rin from bailing, is those are her orders from the Clock Tower, since she knows Shirou's abilities the best, she the best suited to giving mission info, and what he can, and can't survive.

And it's still Loli Illya, since nobody ever suspects the cute little school girl on the corner of giving police movement to a wanted assassin.

There was more to it then that, but I honestly canÆt remember what Irun helped me come with in the end and since I can't get into my BL PM's I don't think I'm going to be able to retrieve the full idea..

You could ask IRUN to re-send them to you.

Kinda hard when I can't sign in anymore.

In all honesty, when you first mentioned a DtBXF/SN fic, I thought you were gonna do a cross-over so I naturally had low expectations, but after reading through this post, your ideas seem like the recipes of a great fic.

The only "real" crossover element, would be the inclusion of Novemeber 11, and his Ice magic.

 

[Cherry_lover]

First off; Mike your opinion is not wanted, or needed, I already know you're not gonna say anything useful, so don't say anything at all.

<s>Mike's anti-authoritarian, tell him left and he'll go right as a ways of saying "Fuck you" in your face. Left side could have a field of dancing, naked Sakuras and the right could be a MoS ending where everyone lives happily but it won't matter, he'll still go right.</s>

Yep, that about sums it up....

But, anyway, I'm not remotely surprised that you decided to write a story with the sole intention of giving everyone a "happy ending" except Sakura, because that's the sort of asshole that you are.

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len (I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Mike's response:<s> There is no way MoS Shirou to have a happy ending because he murdered an innocent girl in cold blood (whowouldresultinhundredsofpeopledeadifleftalive...but *insert justification here*) and Rin would snap because her sister was killed and she should be dead....</s>

Well, this is entirely true.

For one thing, MoS Shirou would not "lock Rin up in Kotomine's basement", any more than Kiritsugu would. It's too much hassle to try it, and she's too much of a danger. He'd just kill her. Similarly, he would not spare Ilya either.

This is quite simply totally OOC for MoS Shirou, because the whole point of that ending is that he no longer cares about Rin or Ilya, only about stopping the war, and if they're in the way (which they will be), he will kill them.

Oh and, BTW, MoS Shirou did not kill Sakura (although he offered to). Rin herself did so. So, there's no way she can blame that on him, or even on his influence, because it was her decision, ultimately, and had she not wanted Sakura to die, she would not have died (well, not at that point, anyway).

Did something happen to your account on BL?

Yeah, he got banned for being an asshole.

And I like the situation you've put Rin in, but what exactly is stopping her from running away from the group? Did Shirou blackmail her or something?

Honestly, she'd just kill him. She's now a cold, uncaring magus, and if she ever becomes anything else the guilt will crush her.

In all honesty, when you first mentioned a DtBXF/SN fic, I thought you were gonna do a cross-over so I naturally had low expectations, but after reading through this post, your ideas seem like the recipes of a great fic.

Only if you like fics like Gabriel Blessing's ones, where the characters are totally OOC and don't make the slightest bit of sense but, hey, it's awesome, so why should be care about little things like characterisation?

 

[MastaofBitches]

First off; Mike your opinion is not wanted, or needed, I already know you're not gonna say anything useful, so don't say anything at all.

<s>Mike's anti-authoritarian, tell him left and he'll go right as a ways of saying "Fuck you" in your face. Left side could have a field of dancing, naked Sakuras and the right could be a MoS ending where everyone lives happily but it won't matter, he'll still go right.</s>

Yep, that about sums it up....

But, anyway, I'm not remotely surprised that you decided to write a story with the sole intention of giving everyone a "happy ending" except Sakura, because that's the sort of asshole that you are.

A few years after the Mind of Steel ending, Emiya Shirou is working as an assassin for the MageÆs Association, partnered up with Illya, Tohsaka Rin, and White Len (I had as idea as to why, but I canÆt get into my BL messages anymore so I canÆt say what it was.).

Mike's response:<s> There is no way MoS Shirou to have a happy ending because he murdered an innocent girl in cold blood (whowouldresultinhundredsofpeopledeadifleftalive...but *insert justification here*) and Rin would snap because her sister was killed and she should be dead....</s>

Well, this is entirely true.

For one thing, MoS Shirou would not "lock Rin up in Kotomine's basement", any more than Kiritsugu would. It's too much hassle to try it, and she's too much of a danger. He'd just kill her. Similarly, he would not spare Ilya either.

This is quite simply totally OOC for MoS Shirou, because the whole point of that ending is that he no longer cares about Rin or Ilya, only about stopping the war, and if they're in the way (which they will be), he will kill them.

Oh and, BTW, MoS Shirou did not kill Sakura (although he offered to). Rin herself did so. So, there's no way she can blame that on him, or even on his influence, because it was her decision, ultimately, and had she not wanted Sakura to die, she would not have died (well, not at that point, anyway).

Did something happen to your account on BL?

Yeah, he got banned for being an asshole.

And I like the situation you've put Rin in, but what exactly is stopping her from running away from the group? Did Shirou blackmail her or something?

Honestly, she'd just kill him. She's now a cold, uncaring magus, and if she ever becomes anything else the guilt will crush her.

In all honesty, when you first mentioned a DtBXF/SN fic, I thought you were gonna do a cross-over so I naturally had low expectations, but after reading through this post, your ideas seem like the recipes of a great fic.

Only if you like fics like Gabriel Blessing's ones, where the characters are totally OOC and don't make the slightest bit of sense but, hey, it's awesome, so why should be care about little things like characterisation?

Like I said, it was based on Verg's "Faker".

Also, if you knew what the idea was before you clicked on it, why did you click on it? Just to be a prick?

Seriously, and you have the balls to call me an asshole? Pot meet Kettle.

And on a side note, you opinions are as completely fucking biased and useless as always, glad to see such a completely broken record, who can't even follow a simple instruction like "Do not post".

 

[Cherry_lover]

And on a side note, you opinions are as completely fucking biased and useless as always, glad to see such a completely broken record, who can't even follow a simple instruction like "Do not post".

Why the fuck should I follow your instructions?

I only follow instructions from people who I actually like or care about hurting the feelings of (and even then, only interrmittently), and you ain't one of them....

Anyway, despite what you might think about my "bias", I do actually know what I'm talking about. That end was listed as a "Bad End" for a reason, and the only fics I've ever seen following from it (up until now) were throughly depressing, as befits such an end.

Also, I find it somewhat ironic that you of all people are writing this, since you hate Kiritsugu more than even I do, and MoS Shirou is basically just Kiritsugu mark 2, as you would know if you actually bothered to play the game.

 

[MastaofBitches]

And on a side note, you opinions are as completely fucking biased and useless as always, glad to see such a completely broken record, who can't even follow a simple instruction like "Do not post".

Why the fuck should I follow your instructions?

I only follow instructions from people who I actually like or care about hurting the feelings of (and even then, only interrmittently), and you ain't one of them....

Anyway, despite what you might think about my "bias", I do actually know what I'm talking about. That end was listed as a "Bad End" for a reason, and the only fics I've ever seen following from it (up until now) were throughly depressing, as befits such an end.

Also, I find it somewhat ironic that you of all people are writing this, since you hate Kiritsugu more than even I do, and MoS Shirou is basically just Kiritsugu mark 2, as you would know if you actually bothered to play the game.

Which is why it's a "Character Development Fic", showing Shirou progression from that, into himself again.

And as for following my instructions, it's generally common sense not to post in a topic about something you hate, unless you just like arguing, or are trying to piss people off.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Which is why it's a "Character Development Fic", showing Shirou progression from that, into himself again.

Yeah, but that can't work, any more than Kiritsugu could "progress" like that. He's in too deep, and fighting for the Magic Association like this would only push him deeper.

Plus, even if he would, it still does not change the fact that Rin and Ilya would be dead or, if not that, would detest him with no way to ever change it. Further, even if Shirou is "redeemable", Rin quite simply is not. She's followed her father's ideals and killed off the one person that represented the human side of her and her human feelings, and there's simply no way she can go back without being utterly crushed by guilt.

And as for following my instructions, it's generally common sense not to post in a topic about something you hate, unless you just like arguing, or are trying to piss people off.

Well, I do like arguing, and I'm not particularly adverse to pissing off assholes like you either, so....

 

[MastaofBitches]

Which is why it's a "Character Development Fic", showing Shirou progression from that, into himself again.

Yeah, but that can't work, any more than Kiritsugu could "progress" like that. He's in too deep, and fighting for the Magic Association like this would only push him deeper.

Plus, even if he would, it still does not change the fact that Rin and Ilya would be dead or, if not that, would detest him with no way to ever change it. Further, even if Shirou is "redeemable", Rin quite simply is not. She's followed her father's ideals and killed off the one person that represented the human side of her and her human feelings, and there's simply no way she can go back without being utterly crushed by guilt.

This is a fic where Shirou killed Sakura, and again, it's based on Verg's Faker, something I doubt you've read, even if you would enjoy Rin getting murdered by Shirou.

And as for following my instructions, it's generally common sense not to post in a topic about something you hate, unless you just like arguing, or are trying to piss people off.

Well, I do like arguing, and I'm not particularly adverse to pissing off assholes like you either, so....

So you're just trolling...

Which means I can expect you to come along and piss on any other idea I can come up with, wonderful...

 

[Cherry_lover]

This is a fic where Shirou killed Sakura

Even so, Rin would still have allowed it (and, even, supported it), and she could not forgive herself for that.

again, it's based on Verg's Faker, something I doubt you've read, even if you would enjoy Rin getting murdered by Shirou.

I think I skim-read it.

So you're just trolling...

No, I'm poking holes in your blatently trollish fanfic idea.

Which means I can expect you to come along and piss on any other idea I can come up with, wonderful...

No, not really.

I just really dislike MoS fics, especially ones which attempt to portray it as being a "happy" ending, or as the unquestionably "right" decision.

 

[MastaofBitches]

This is a fic where Shirou killed Sakura

Even so, Rin would still have allowed it (and, even, supported it), and she could not forgive herself for that.

Ok, then Shirou or Kirei knocked her out because she couldn't do it.

again, it's based on Verg's Faker, something I doubt you've read, even if you would enjoy Rin getting murdered by Shirou.

I think I skim-read it.

Yeah, she got killed by Shirou, who used Berserker's sword to do it.

So you're just trolling...

No, I'm poking holes in your blatently trollish fanfic idea.

It's not a damn troll fic, you only see it that way, because you can't think of it as anything other then "Sakura is dead, so it automatically sucks".

Which means I can expect you to come along and piss on any other idea I can come up with, wonderful...

No, not really.

I just really dislike MoS fics, especially ones which attempt to portray it as being a "happy" ending, or as the unquestionably "right" decision.

Most people would see killing one person to save 1000 more as the right thing to do.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Ok, then Shirou or Kirei knocked her out because she couldn't do it.

Then Shirou would have died approximately 1.2 seconds after they released her from Kotomine's basement. Or, else, she would die trying.

And, Kotomine would not have gotten involved in this, because his sole interest there is in trolling everyone and ensuring that it is a throughly depressing ending, so if Rin were imprisoned in his basement she would awaken one morning to find the door mysteriously unlocked....

Most people would see killing one person to save 1000 more as the right thing to do.

Except that that is not in any way what he did. He killed Sakura because she might kill some unspecified number of people at some unspecified future date.

 

[MastaofBitches]

Ok, then Shirou or Kirei knocked her out because she couldn't do it.

Then Shirou would have died approximately 1.2 seconds after they released her from Kotomine's basement. Or, else, she would die trying.

And, Kotomine would not have gotten involved in this, because his sole interest there is in trolling everyone and ensuring that it is a throughly depressing ending, so if Rin were imprisoned in his basement she would awaken one morning to find the door mysteriously unlocked...

Suspension of disbelief, learn to use it, it's rather important when writing fanfics, since it's the only way things can happen to begin with.

Most people would see killing one person to save 1000 more as the right thing to do.

Except that that is not in any way what he did. He killed Sakura because she might kill some unspecified number of people at some unspecified future date.

You know, I'm pretty sure she does kill a large, unspecified number of people if you let her live.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Suspension of disbelief, learn to use it, it's rather important when writing fanfics, since it's the only way things can happen to begin with.

Yes, but I'm not trying to read your fanfic, I'm trying to (and succeeding at) poke holes in it.

You know, I'm pretty sure she does kill a large, unspecified number of people if you let her live.

Well, the shadow does, yes.

However, you can only go on what he knows at the time, and and the time he did not know that would happen and had no reason to believe that it would.

 

[MastaofBitches]

Suspension of disbelief, learn to use it, it's rather important when writing fanfics, since it's the only way things can happen to begin with.

Yes, but I'm not trying to read your fanfic, I'm trying to (and succeeding at) poke holes in it.

Holes that can be easily covered if you choose to believe, which you wouldn't and thus really have no reason to be posting here.

You know, I'm pretty sure she does kill a large, unspecified number of people if you let her live.

Well, the shadow does, yes.

However, you can only go on what he knows at the time, and and the time he did not know that would happen and had no reason to believe that it would.

He has no reason to think she wouldn't either, she's killed before, after all.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Holes that can be easily covered if you choose to believe, which you wouldn't and thus really have no reason to be posting here.

I don't think they can, really.

But, anyway, I'm someone who doesn't, in general, like fics that ignore canon characterisations or information for the sake of plot. I'm willing to forgive it if it's a good fic that I have a strong interest in, but your fic is neither, so....

He has no reason to think she wouldn't either

Yes, and I have no reason to think that you wouldn't, or indeed that a random stranger walking down the street wouldn't, and I don't kill them "just in case".

If you're going to murder someone in cold blood, you need to more than just some vague hint they're a danger, you'd better be bloody certain that they are.

she's killed before, after all.

Not to his knowledge she hasn't.

 

[Karnath]

This whole thing that cherry-lover has for Sakura where she has to be part of the main storyline and be given a happy ending and then going into topics he knows he wont like and start arguments with MoB for the sake of doing so is actually making me activly dislike a character that I was indifferent towards.

 

[MastaofBitches]

This whole thing that cherry-lover has for Sakura where she has to be part of the main storyline and be given a happy ending and then going into topics he knows he wont like and start arguments with MoB for the sake of doing so is actually making me activly dislike a character that I was indifferent towards.

Would it be better if I deleted the thread, and repost it to get rid of the argument?

 

[shioran toushin]

nah the story is interesting, and Kirei would allow it just to troll Rin

Then Shirou would have died approximately 1.2 seconds after they released her from Kotomine's basement. Or, else, she would die trying.

Rin dieing is more likely because honestly MoS inspired Shiro would trace the shield to block her and then cut her with his tracing.
she could also be drugged by Kirei.

 

[MastaofBitches]

nah the story is interesting, and Kirei would allow it just to troll Rin

Then Shirou would have died approximately 1.2 seconds after they released her from Kotomine's basement. Or, else, she would die trying.

Rin dieing is more likely because honestly MoS inspired Shiro would trace the shield to block her and then cut her with his tracing.
she could also be drugged by Kirei.

Kirei's Kohaku now?

 

[Karnath]

This whole thing that cherry-lover has for Sakura where she has to be part of the main storyline and be given a happy ending and then going into topics he knows he wont like and start arguments with MoB for the sake of doing so is actually making me activly dislike a character that I was indifferent towards.

Would it be better if I deleted the thread, and repost it to get rid of the argument?

Wouldn't change a thing, I'm just getting tired of seeing the same arguement again and again on multiple threads. There are characters I like I don't read stories that treat them horribly, there are characters I dislike I don't read stories that pair them with the main, but either way to each their own and don't bother me about my opinions because all your going to do is strengthen them.

 

[trevelyan1983]

So, if MoB was banned for being an asshole, why has Cherry never been banned? This is the guy who deliberately trawled the Shinji fanclub just in case he was needed to defend Sakura. Like a Knight Errant of the information age, forever tilting his pointing device at penis-worms.

If it were anywhere else, I'd suspect foul play, or at least double standards of some kind. But the only Mod on BL who's even in the same zip code for Sakura-fangasming is Altima. And even Altima seems to find Cherry to be somewhat . . . overzealous about Sakura.

EDIT: Oh, right, story idea . . . well, if Shirou's Mind of Steel should soften, he's going to have to learn to live with the fact that he pre-empted Dark Sakura killing people by killing her first. Given that this was the girl he'd fallen in love with, fed Saber and Tiger with, cleaned house with, et cetera, that's going to cause him some grief.

Furthermore, given that he followed Kiritsugu's ideal to its bitter end and found nothing heroic about it, he's going to be Archer-esque. Or maybe Batman. Or the Punisher. Also, he's still going to die from GAR poisoning anyway. If he doesn't kill himself first.

 

[MastaofBitches]

So, if MoB was banned for being an asshole, why has Cherry never been banned?? This is the guy who deliberately trawled the Shinji fanclub just in case he was needed to defend Sakura.? Like a Knight Errant of the information age, forever tilting his pointing device at penis-worms.

If it were anywhere else, I'd suspect foul play, or at least double standards of some kind.? But the only Mod on BL who's even in the same zip code for Sakura-fangasming is Altima.? And even Altima seems to find Cherry to be somewhat . . . overzealous about Sakura.

I was banned due to using

as a signature... Some people just can't take a joke...

 

[trevelyan1983]

Gosh, that's pretty tame. Maybe we've been spoiled due to lack of Mods and Banhammers, but I'd have thought you'd get a warning first.

 

[Cherry_lover]

nah the story is interesting, and Kirei would allow it just to troll Rin

But it's far more fun for him to watch them fight, and to make Shirou kill her (and Ilya).

Rin dieing is more likely because honestly MoS inspired Shiro would trace the shield to block her and then cut her with his tracing.

Well, I don't honestly think MoS Shirou would be that strong (where, exactly, would he learn tracing from, let alone Rho Aias...?), but given that he's won the war, I guess he can't be that weak, so....

Either way, though, the story still doesn't work, because at least one of them is dead.

she could also be drugged by Kirei.

Why the hell would he do that?

So, if MoB was banned for being an asshole, why has Cherry never been banned?

I dunno, perhaps because he's an asshole and I'm not?

I mean, the guy has basically admitted to being a Sociopath, and to being willing to harm others to get what he wants. Neither of those apply to me.

This is the guy who deliberately trawled the Shinji fanclub just in case he was needed to defend Sakura. Like a Knight Errant of the information age, forever tilting his pointing device at penis-worms.

Firstly, no I didn't (I just read those threads more generally), and secondly defending your favourite character is not a bannable offense.

If it were anywhere else, I'd suspect foul play, or at least double standards of some kind.

Well, no, because defending your favourite character is not the same as deliberately posting things with the sole intention of baiting other people. I may sometimes be rather rude, but I don't go out to attack people, unless they're total assholes like MoB.

But the only Mod on BL who's even in the same zip code for Sakura-fangasming is Altima. And even Altima seems to find Cherry to be somewhat . . . overzealous about Sakura.

Altima agrees with me most of the time, even if he is generally more impartial about it due to his position of authority. It might come across that he thinks I'm being "overzealous", but believe me he doesn't (usually, anyway). He's just restraining himself because of his position as a mod (which means that he can't get away with saying the same sort of things as I say, since it would be seen as "bias") and because he's naturally a much more concillatory person than I am (he tends to prefer to avoid conflict, whereas I don't like giving in and will stand up for what I believe in and what I think regardless of the disruption it might cause).

Gosh, that's pretty tame. Maybe we've been spoiled due to lack of Mods and Banhammers, but I'd have thought you'd get a warning first.

He did.

About three of them, in fact.