Deadpool 2 SPOILERS

Contrabardus

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#1
Here there be spoilers, ye be warned...

Anyway, I really liked how they faked us out with the trailers.

Though, I have to admit I was not in the least bit surprised by the fate of X-Force. I was kind of expecting it to be honest. They foreshadowed it a bit too heavily.

I also don't think that was Vanessa in all those scenes where Wade went "to the other side". I think it was Death.

There was always something "off" about her in those scenes, and she seemed to know more than she should. Especially in the last scene they are together pre-credits. She seems aware that he's being brought back to life, which seems a bit beyond what Vanessa would be aware of, especially considering it involved time travel. Death on the other hand would be able to sense that kind of thing.

It does fit with comic lore really well and I'm pretty sure they are alluding to it throughout the movie, but never expressly give it away. Death was trying to seduce Wade into staying dead using Vanessa's form, but is ultimately unable to keep him.

We all know his relationship with Vanessa can't last, even if the after credits scene is canon and he does manage to save her in the end.

In fact, this incarnation of Deadpool is likely to break things off with her himself after what happened to her in this movie. He saved her, but ultimately the fear that it might happen again will get to him.

It would be a nice reveal for DP3 or the X-Force movie to have Death reveal herself as what she really is and try to seduce him again when he ends up damaged enough to die temporarily.

Honestly, the Wade/Vanessa relationship has kind of played its role after this film, and I expect them to already be broken up by the next movie Deadpool appears in.

It also opens up the possibility of her showing up as an antagonist with mutant powers as his ex-girlfriend, not as a main villain, but perhaps working for whoever Wade is up against.

Does he have to kill the woman who he loves and broke up with to protect? How does he handle a situation like that? I think that's going to be the central conflict of Deadpool 3, which will probably happen eventually.

They also have X-force to plant the seeds for this.

Juggernaut was not nearly as well done CGI as Colossus, but it was still nice to see him done reasonably well in a movie. I was also kind of expecting him to lose his shit over the fate of Black Tom, but it never came up.

Overall, I liked the movie, but didn't think it was as good as the first one. It was probably about as funny, but lacked the story cohesion of the first film. There wasn't really a central villain in the story and it kind of flits about. That works for Deadpool, but made for a lesser movie in the end.
 

Ordo

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#2
We all know his relationship with Vanessa can't last, even if the after credits scene is canon and he does manage to save her in the end.
You know what, I honestly hope you are wrong. I have started to actively hate this trope, the idea that an LI has played out their role and should thus be gotten rid of annoys me. I mean Thor Ragnarok did that and it was honestly one of the things I didn't like about that film. I get that actors and actresses sometimes have other commitments and that not all real life relationships stand the test of time, but it'd be nice to see things work out on screen more often than not in these films.

If I was writing, X-Force would have a subplot where Deadpool and Vanessa are going through a real rough patch as the team goes about their mission. This culminates in it being revealed Vanessa is pregnant, and now the full WEIGHT of what that means when the father is deadpool has hit her...but they actually work it out.

That's when Cable's Daughter from the future 'Hope' and Deadpools child from the future 'Evan' show up to prepare the past for the 'merging' of universes. Basically Dead Pool explores the fallout of the merger of the MCU, XCU, and SCU after the events of the next Avengers film...with the kids not trying to stop the merger, but tweak it so certain things are better in the new unified timeline. Dead Pool, and Cable are some of the few people aware of the merger (being time travelers) along with Vanessa (being dead and then brought back) so that 'team' works to shape events.

Oh...and Evan is the XCU's version of Evan Sab Nur...second times the charm right?

 

Contrabardus

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#3
Ordo said:
We all know his relationship with Vanessa can't last, even if the after credits scene is canon and he does manage to save her in the end.
You know what, I honestly hope you are wrong. I have started to actively hate this trope, the idea that an LI has played out their role and should thus be gotten rid of annoys me. I mean Thor Ragnarok did that and it was honestly one of the things I didn't like about that film. I get that actors and actresses sometimes have other commitments and that not all real life relationships stand the test of time, but it'd be nice to see things work out on screen more often than not in these films.

If I was writing, X-Force would have a subplot where Deadpool and Vanessa are going through a real rough patch as the team goes about their mission. This culminates in it being revealed Vanessa is pregnant, and now the full WEIGHT of what that means when the father is deadpool has hit her...but they actually work it out.

That's when Cable's Daughter from the future 'Hope' and Deadpools child from the future 'Evan' show up to prepare the past for the 'merging' of universes. Basically Dead Pool explores the fallout of the merger of the MCU, XCU, and SCU after the events of the next Avengers film...with the kids not trying to stop the merger, but tweak it so certain things are better in the new unified timeline. Dead Pool, and Cable are some of the few people aware of the merger (being time travelers) along with Vanessa (being dead and then brought back) so that 'team' works to shape events.

Oh...and Evan is the XCU's version of Evan Sab Nur...second times the charm right?

Fuck that.

That's not Deadpool.

DP doesn't get to be happy, he doesn't get to save the girl and be the hero. He's a screw up and an insane psychopath. He has massive mood swings and his brain is messed up not only from repeated trauma, but also due to the cancer. He's not stupid, but also has memory issues.

He's also kind of a loser when it comes to his sex life. He hits on pretty girls and occasionally gets lucky, but no one wants to keep him. He basically gets laid out of pity more than anything else.

He's insecure and afraid of himself for good reason. This is a guy who killed his own parents, isn't sure what his own name really is, shot Phil Coulson, screwed up being an Avenger, married a literal monster, kills people for money and doesn't like asking questions about jobs. He's called "the merc" with the mouth for a reason, because he's a mercenary, not a super hero.

I was a disappointed that he "saved" Vanessa in the after credits scene. She should have stayed "dead". [Actually, she should have come back in DP3 as Copycat after seeming to remain dead in DP2 after the credits rolled.]

I'm kind of hoping that the after credits scene isn't cannon and she stays dead, because that's Deadpool. If it is, she needs to not be with him in the next movie and they need to have broken up.

What happened in this movie is all they need to pull that off, Wade shouldn't be able to handle what happened to her even if he did manage to bring her back in the end, and fear and guilt regarding it should drive him away.

That scene where Colossus brought him along to save someone and he ended up straight up murdering a guy and getting thrown in prison for it? The fact that he spends most of the movie in a state of suicidal depression? That's Deadpool in a nutshell.

Vanessa can't survive or stay with him if they're going to do Deadpool right. So far they've done a good job of it and she's fit, but beyond this movie she really doesn't.

Deadpool shouldn't have an "anchor" to keep him grounded. He can't have something like that and work because he's Deadpool. That sort of thing should be ripped away from him tragically, because that's what his character is.

He doesn't get to have an MJ or Aunt May. The closest thing he has to friends are miserable selfish people who would stab him in the back without hesitation if it benefited them. He regularly lets the people who put faith in him down.

He's funny, acts overconfident, and breaks the fourth wall, but is also tragic, considered a dangerous, pathetic, unreliable, immature, lame, annoyance by most people who know him, and is basically miserable and hates himself.

Deadpool with a real family and a happy and healthy home life isn't Deadpool. Yeah, he's had kids in the comics, but he doesn't get to be around his daughter. She's living with foster parents, he had limited contact to begin with, and he ended up "murdering" her foster mother and is no longer allowed anywhere near any of them.

He gets to be on the edge of being happy for a bit, but should never really manage it. It should seem like something he could obtain, but should also always be just beyond his grasp, and not being able to reach it should usually be his own fault.

For example, he almost had something good with his daughter and Preston, but screwed that up because of his involvement with Hydra while Captain America was Captain Hydra. He almost had something good with Copycat before Weapon-X, but tried to spare her feelings by leaving and ended up doing more harm than good.

Deadpool is a tragic character at heart. He's black comedy and self deprecation who is very self aware of what he is to an extreme level.

Deadpool has worked in movies because it's been a very good adaption of the character so far. If they let him have what you're suggesting, they're screwing that up, he can't have that and still be Deadpool. He isn't that guy, he doesn't get to have that, that isn't who he is, in fact, he is literally the anti-that guy and it is the entire point of him as a character.
 
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Contrabardus said:
I also don't think that was Vanessa in all those scenes where Wade went "to the other side". I think it was Death.

There was always something "off" about her in those scenes, and she seemed to know more than she should. Especially in the last scene they are together pre-credits. She seems aware that he's being brought back to life, which seems a bit beyond what Vanessa would be aware of, especially considering it involved time travel. Death on the other hand would be able to sense that kind of thing.

It does fit with comic lore really well and I'm pretty sure they are alluding to it throughout the movie, but never expressly give it away. Death was trying to seduce Wade into staying dead using Vanessa's form, but is ultimately unable to keep him.
I was thinking the same thing.

Favorite parts:
Killing the X-Men Origins Fakepool.
The shot of half the cast of X-Men Apocalypse in a room together right when he's complaining about there never being any X-Men around.
The various deaths of the members of X-Force, especially Shatterstar.
Wade's warning to (can't remember who) that Rusty has an "ass pen."
Yukio never having anything to say other than a cheerful "Hi Wade!"
Juggernaut's voice actor being credited "as himself."
Juggernaut's not just middle name, but that it's his "legal middle name."
The running joke about Cable being racist for killing Black Tom Cassidy.
 

Contrabardus

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#6
point09micron_process said:
Contrabardus said:
I also don't think that was Vanessa in all those scenes where Wade went "to the other side". I think it was Death.

There was always something "off" about her in those scenes, and she seemed to know more than she should. Especially in the last scene they are together pre-credits. She seems aware that he's being brought back to life, which seems a bit beyond what Vanessa would be aware of, especially considering it involved time travel. Death on the other hand would be able to sense that kind of thing.

It does fit with comic lore really well and I'm pretty sure they are alluding to it throughout the movie, but never expressly give it away. Death was trying to seduce Wade into staying dead using Vanessa's form, but is ultimately unable to keep him.
I was thinking the same thing.

Favorite parts:
Killing the X-Men Origins Fakepool.
The shot of half the cast of X-Men Apocalypse in a room together right when he's complaining about there never being any X-Men around.
The various deaths of the members of X-Force, especially Shatterstar.
Wade's warning to (can't remember who) that Rusty has an "ass pen."
Yukio never having anything to say other than a cheerful "Hi Wade!"
Juggernaut's voice actor being credited "as himself."
Juggernaut's not just middle name, but that it's his "legal middle name."
The running joke about Cable being racist for killing Black Tom Cassidy.
I think the Ass-pen joke comes up a few times.

Yukio did have more dialogue in the after credits stuff when NSTW was fixing the time tuner.

I think half the joke was that she was pretty much a non-character, which played into the running joke about only including low tier X-men.

Ryan Reynolds was Juggernaut's voice.

I bought the soundtrack just because I wanted a legit copy of the Juggernaut song. That will get much play in many custom video game soundtracks. [I like turning in game music off and running Foobar 2000 in the background with a custom playlist. Usually not until after I've finished a game at least once though.]
 

Contrabardus

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#7
AoMythology said:
Either way, I liked the second movie even more than I did the first.
It's kind of in a weird spot.

Structurally, it's not a better movie. It kind of flits around and isn't as cohesive as a story.

However, I think it did the Deadpool part of Deadpool better than the first movie.

I think they are both about equally funny. Though I think the pacing of the humor in the first movie is better. This one had more jokes, but a lot of them were callbacks. Plus, there was more inside humor in this one, which is both good and bad.

I'm kind of torn about whether DP2 is really better than the first. I think I need to watch it and the first one again to make that call. That probably won't happen until DP2 comes out on Blu-ray or streaming.

As it stands now, I think the first one edges the sequel out by a small margin as the better of the two just because it's got the tighter plot and is a more cohesive narrative. Though, I honestly think I enjoyed watching them equally, which is saying something. DP2 at the least exceeded my expectations.
 
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Yeah, I know that Reynolds did the voice work for Juggernaut. Face mocap too I recall reading. I just thought it was funny to see him credited as "Juggernaut as himself."
 

Seed00

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#9
Shatterstar really was better than Deadpool...

Better at dying that is.
 
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