Nasuverse Doujin Inspired Ideas

[AbyssalDaemon]

Basically a few ideas that I've been getting inspired by various FSN doujins that I've seen.

1. Childcare is War: In this Archer gets accidentally summoned by Rin and Sakura (who were apparently trying to summon a Brownie) back before they got separated and pretty much follows the interactions between the three.

So what if Archer had ended up being summoned several months before the 4th Grail War by Rin and Sakura? The age of the two is something of an advantage in that almost nobody is going to expect the two of being masters (especially to the same servant) given their age but on the other hand given their age, the two don't really have anyway to defend themselves if somebody does find out.

And then thereÆs the prana issue... although Archer is probably smart to find away around this that doesn't go completely against his ethics. He might have a blade in his reality marble that might help or perhaps he has to visit the brothels after every battle in order to make up for lost prana. :snigger:

2. Gilgamesh vs. Rin: A "what-if" in which Rin summons Gilgamesh instead of Archer, Bazett apparently summoned Saber instead Lancer, and Shirou ends up summoning Casterà

3. Emilya Saga: The doujin in which Ilya saves Shirou's life by giving him her body. Which lead to the thought of what if Shirouko ends up becoming a hero like she used to wish and ends up being summoned by either Rin or Sakura? Well besides Zouken being Excalibured and Shinji 'accidentally' falling down the stairs and onto a number of blades that somebody just happened to be leaving lying around.

4. Sword Dancer: The doujin in which Archerko faces off against Saber. So what if Archerko ended up being summoned either Shirou or Rin? How would Illyia react when she meets her future counterpart and learns who she is? Besides getting a even bigger crush on Shirou. Just how quickly would Shirou grow he had somebody who know where his talents lied and could help him bring them out to their full potential?

 

[shout27]

I haven't read any of the doujins in question but i like the thought of #2 for some reason, the question is how to convince Caster to not kill Shirou off the moment she gets a chance to do so?

 

[TheEcchiSessha]

I haven't read any of the doujins in question but i like the thought of #2 for some reason, the question is how to convince Caster to not kill Shirou off the moment she gets a chance to do so?

Caster isn't as evil as she is made out to be. The reason she kills her master was because he was... not master material. She would probably be quite loyal to Shirou... maybe. ^_^

I'm like idea number two the most personally. Now if only FO would get back to that Girlgamesh idea.

~The Ecchi Sessha

 

[midorigreen]

Finally some one has though of using ideas from the FSN doujins for fanfictions. I like the particular doujins you've chosen and feel that they all have a lot of potential.

1. Child care war is a very good premise for a fanfictions thought I can't comment on the plot because I've never read any English translations.

2. Gilgamesh VS Rin has a lot of potential for comedy and I'd love to see the Caster, Shirou dynamics

3. this doujin is one of my favorites and I will give my firm support to anyone that tries to make something based off of it.

4. the series is one of the greatest things I've every read and will read anything that has Archerko in it. to me Archerko is one of the greatest female characters of all time.

 

[shout27]

I just realized that Bazett and Saber will be looking for Avalon the question is: will they find it? and what is the Canon plotline for Caster's decision to kill her old master?

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

I just realized that and Saber will be looking for Avalon the question is: will they find it? and what is the Canon plotline for Caster's decision to kill her old master?

Nope. Bazett's abilities are pretty much tied to her bloodline rather than anything sheÆs been taught and has no skills that would help her or Saber figure out where Avalon disappeared too. The Einzbern would be the ones that in their minds would most likely have it and theyÆre simply both to large and to powerful for the two to try and get it. As for Caster if I remember it was because her master was treating her badly. Something that you should keep in mind is CasterÆs personality and the fact she killed her master the first chance got which says a lot about they were treating her.

 

[MC80a Liberty]

I haven't read any of the doujins in question but i like the thought of #2 for some reason, the question is how to convince Caster to not kill Shirou off the moment she gets a chance to do so?

Caster isn't as evil as she is made out to be. The reason she kills her master was because he was... not master material. She would probably be quite loyal to Shirou... maybe. ^_^

I'm like idea number two the most personally. Now if only FO would get back to that Girlgamesh idea.

~The Ecchi Sessha

I agree with number two being the best. Especially since if it's the doujin I'm thinking of Caster summons Rider and Rule Breakers Saber for a harem end. :snigger: :drool:

 

[ttestagr]

Saber would think she knows exactly where Avalon is, since she doesn't know that her old master died. They'd go right to the Emiya residence.

 

[shout27]

Saber would think she knows exactly where Avalon is, since she doesn't know that her old master died. They'd go right to the Emiya residence.

yes, but would she even think it's in shirou since her memories are swiss cheese?

 

[ttestagr]

Saber's memories were fine, but you're right in that she wouldn't know that it was in Shirou. The problem he'll have though, is that he's a mage and she'll likely recognize that just by him being an Emiya. If they check early enough, he's a potential master to rub out. If he's already summoned a servant, he's the enemy. And Saber in the hands of a skilled master is a monster only surpassed by Gilgamesh.

 

[shout27]

Actually could Caster become the same level being under Shirou. I mean to say can she teach him how to supply her with prana the standard way?

 

[ttestagr]

Even if Caster had Dark Sakura as a master, she'd be no match for even early Fate-Saber. Caster is the weakest class and Saber is the strongest. Hell, a weak version of Arturia can overpower average servants of stronger classes than Caster.

If Shirou had Caster and they had to take on Arturia, their only real hope would be managing to use Rule Breaker to end Saber's contract with her master. Which would lead to Shirou getting her, something I am very much in favor of.


PS: As for supplying mana, it wasn't so much that Shirou didn't know how. IIRC, the problem was that the summoning was fucked up and so was the connection he had to his servant. Can't really fix that, unless Caster breaks their contract and they make a new one. Which I don't even know is possible.

 

[toraneko]

I expect FO to be all over this thread in no time. :lol:

So I'll try to ease his nitpicking duties, if ya don't mind.


Rin and Sakura summoning Archer without being Grail-recognized Masters? Not gonna happen. The only reason the Servants can be summoned the way they are in the Grail Wars is because of the Greater Grail.

I doubt that Saber would be able to find Avalon unless Shirou used it. She wasn't able to detect its presence when it was inside him, and if she didn't find it in the Emiya household, she'd be shit outta luck.
As for offing Shirou because he's a possible threat... no. That's a violation of Arturia's knightly code, and she would only do so if her master used a Command Seal.
If he had already summoned a Servant, it's a different story, but she'd still most likely go after the Servant and let her Master deal with Shirou... at first. If Shirou was badass enough in melee combat, she might consider him enough of a threat to turn her attention towards him. And then she'd be in trouble, because Caster has WTFH4X magic powers.

As for the power transference: IIRC, it's actually a little of both. Since Shirou knows dick about how to really use his magic, he couldn't transfer his prana correctly, ergo the whole ecchi scene. This same reason is why Saber, when Rin (a well-trained prodigy at magic) became her Master in UBW, was much more powerful.
Performing the ritual incorrectly was also partly because of his incompetence at magic use. It would be possible for the whole breaking and renewal of the Contract, though - Servants don't 'die' immediately when the contract is dissolved. And Rule Breaker uses very little mana, so if they prepared everything properly ahead of time, she'd be fine. As I recall it, so long as a Master still has at least one Command Seal left, they can form contracts with a new Servant if their old one dies (case in point, Rin in UBW).

If Caster taught Shirou how to properly harness his powers, she'd be damn powerful. Medea is abnormally strong for a Caster-class Servant, with Rule Breaker and her ability to use Divine Words. Shirou's particularly strong for a magus, as well (albeit unskilled); if he could properly harness and transfer his power, Caster would be uber.

Berserker would still be a problem, though - he's resistant to all but the most powerful spells, is insanely powerful, has multiple lives, and as a quirk of the Berserker class, can last longer than normal without an active Master-Servant contract (thus Rule Breaker doesn't end the fight).
Heracles is f'ing uber. Would've been extremely powerful as any class except Caster.

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

I expect FO to be all over this thread in no time. :lol:

So I'll try to ease his nitpicking duties, if ya don't mind.

Rin and Sakura summoning Archer without being Grail-recognized Masters? Not gonna happen. The only reason the Servants can be summoned the way they are in the Grail Wars is because of the Greater Grail.

From all appearances they apparently ended summoned Archer the same way that Rin did in the 5th Grailwar. It was one of those 1 out 1000 type things, like with Shirou summoning Saber. The doujn can be found here for anyone who wants to take a look at it: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8G6GEF6B

 

[toraneko]

Okay, so, doujin reality.

Sakura and Rin summon the Heroic Spirit EMIYA (Archer) before the Fourth Heaven's Feel. This apparently happens quite some time before the fighting would begin, but in order for Archer to appear as he does, Rin and Sakura somehow have to be recognized Masters. (I wonder whether they're counted together as a single Master, or if this only counts for one of them?)

There's now no way for Tohsaka Tokiomi to summon Gilgamesh as an Archer-class Servant. Hmm.

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

Okay, so, doujin reality.

Sakura and Rin summon the Heroic Spirit EMIYA (Archer) before the Fourth Heaven's Feel. This apparently happens quite some time before the fighting would begin, but in order for Archer to appear as he does, Rin and Sakura somehow have to be recognized Masters. (I wonder whether they're counted together as a single Master, or if this only counts for one of them?)

I'd say the both of them simply given they were in both involved in summing him. It also means that Archer won't be as strapped for prana.

There's now no way for Tohsaka Tokiomi to summon Gilgamesh as an Archer-class Servant. Hmm.

True although he could be summoned as another class. Which brings up a interesting point, has it been commented on what order the Servants were summoned?

 

[Mereo Flere]

Kotomine had his command seals first appear three years before the Fourth itself.

Ilya summoned Berserker several months before the Fifth.

Rin and Sakura summoning Archer early isn't too far fetched. For one, Rin really is a genius, and one that's been training all her life, no matter how short it is at that point. Prana isn't even really an issue either, as they're not even fighting yet - and Archer, in the first place, is able to survive for three days of fighting without a master.

 

[Fatuous One]

...Uh, let me see...

Well, it's not impossible for Rin and Sakura to summon Archer in this context, theoretically anyway. In "Childcare is War", EMIYA is replacing Gilgamesh, as it's on the advent of the Fourth War. The author actually has something of a doujin depicting Archer fighting in it on his website, although it's all in Japanese.

The real problem with it is that the idea of Rin and Sakura (powerful though they are) summoning, and then actually having enough prana to sustain Archer is ridiculous. No matter how good they are, they're still only LESS THAN SIX YEARS OLD. While it's been shown to be possible to have two masters, it's still absurd that they would have enough prana to keep him around. Yes, he'd have enough to stick around initially, but I'd say that he wouldn't be able to last a single battle.


On a side note, Ilya summoned Berserker before the grail was active, however... (and this is only speculation) I'd assume this is only because Berserker was the Einzbern Servant that he was able to be summoned before the grail was even 'online'. Even so, it was a really bad idea, as Ilya was in excruciating amounts of pain due to being the only thing anchoring Berserker there, and not yet able to control him to the degree necessary.

I expect FO to be all over this thread in no time. :lol:

So I'll try to ease his nitpicking duties, if ya don't mind.

Mmm, not really. Well, I could nitpick but...

Honestly, the using ideas from these doujinshi (as much as I love them) kinda bores me.