Nasuverse Drama/Humor (Romance?!) Crackfic Crossover

[Liam-don]

According to wikipedia , En?ma Elish is a anti-world NP , which "sunders the foundations of reality, causing a collapse of time and space that disintegrates everything around the area of attack."I suppose that means yes, hGil cut right through an AT Field.

For Excalibur , the answer is really beyond me . :huh.:

 

[ttestagr]

Well the way I look at it, Excalibur was strong enough to allow Saber to survive Enuma Elish (if barely) which is a ridiculously overpowered attack in any fandom. Saber's other NP is even more powerful than Ea.

 

[Liam-don]

Well , he'll just have to win using his smarts , courage and rugged good looks.

 

[toraneko]

So he's pretty much boned, then. :sisi:

 

[TheEcchiSessha]

Well the way I look at it, Excalibur was strong enough to allow Saber to survive Enuma Elish (if barely) which is a ridiculously overpowered attack in any fandom.á Saber's other NP is even more powerful than Ea.

Actually, Gilgamesh was holding back when he was using Ea on Saber. The blast wasn't full strength. He wanted Saber to submit to him, not destroy her. Saber's 'other NP' pretty much seperates her from reality, blocking any and all damage/attacks.

Excalibur would be stronger than a positron rifle I would think. It is an anti-fortress attack of extreme power. I don't even need to describe Gi's anti-world...

Yeah, Excaliber's 'blast of light' is insanely strong compared to most NP and is more than likey stronger than the positron rifle used to take out the 4th angel.

So he's pretty much boned, then.áá :sisi:

His gentle and quiet nature might actually give him an edge over some of his enemies. Gilgamesh, for example, would probably gloat and underestimate him. Of course, this would let Shinji slice "The King" with his AT field(if he was 'berserked' at the time).

My 2 cents tossed in...

~The Ecchi Sessha

 

[GenocideHeart]

Actually, Gilgamesh was holding back when he was using Ea on Saber. The blast wasn't full strength. He wanted Saber to submit to him, not destroy her. Saber's 'other NP' pretty much seperates her from reality, blocking any and all damage/attacks.

The ironic thing is, Saber would probably still get hit by things liek the Dragon Slave, which proved that they aren't bound by the laws of reality. Normally, a spell cannot affect the Astral Plane, since it is (interesting wording) 'outside of reality as humans know it'. But when Lina nuked Dynast, she hit both the real world and the Astral plane, breaking the rules.

Thus, I'd argue that high-end Slayers spells can probably ignore Saber's NP and still hit her. Whether it works or not, it's another matter.

And of course, Mukuro from YYH can probably kill her with ease, seeing how it took just a punch from her to boot Hiei clean out of the Makai, tearing the barrier between dimensions like wet paper, so just removing herself from reality is going to do squat when your opponent can just tear the veil and follow you anyway. But YYH Makai lords are freaks of nature even by F/SN standard, so never mind.

 

[toraneko]

I haven't read the manga up to the point where Lina-tachi met Dynast. But, I do distinctly remember the Dragu Slave being unable to affect things on multiple planes of reality, which was why Ragna Blade was such a big thing for her.

I suspect Ragna Blade would be the lowest-power spell that could affect Saber when she's using Avalon.

Oddly, I kind of feel like Ragna Blade is one of those spells that actually could apply and work in the same way in the Nasuverse.

 

[SMWhat]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Only one from each class to compete could be summoned, right?

 

[Pale Wolf]

Technically. That's how the system's supposed to work.

Although the Fifth War was a huge clusterfuck all around.

 

[ttestagr]

Not quite so. In the third war two Sabers were summoned by twin sisters. I'm not exactly sure why they were able to do so though (that war also spawned Avenger so it was pretty messed up as well.)

 

[SMWhat]

Shinji...I'm thinking...probably wouldn't do well as a Berserker. I really can't see a way to write him in as such, especially with the whole sanity thing.

My main trouble is twofold: What class to put Shinji in, and how to make things so that it's okay, storywise, for him to be that class.

He has no close-combat ability, so no go with Saber or Lancer, even if one of his NPs is that. Rider would be okay except for the fact that he doesn't actually ride anything (I think we already settled on "no EVA NP", right).

Archer? Except Rin has Archer, so...

But then again, there's no saying in this story that Von. E. has he be the one to summon Shinji--it's just a big big help, storywise, if that happens.

But of course, there's the whole catalyst thing, too...

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

How about Avenger?

 

[Pale Wolf]

Not quite so. In the third war two Sabers were summoned by twin sisters. I'm not exactly sure why they were able to do so though

As I understand, the Edelfelts had some crazy trick for that. Not precisely sure what it is, but they have the capacity to have two successors and such, so... It was almost closer to the same mage summoning two halves of the capability, or something.

But of course, there's the whole catalyst thing, too...

Why not say that the whole human race counts as his catalyst? B) They'd be very associated with his legend, after all. Or if you want a somewhat less cheap answer, have one of them somehow stumble across Misato's cross - working out the physics of that would be amusing, of course...

 

[Fatuous One]

???

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

Given how fucked up Shinji is by the end of the series, the thing I'm wandering about is how he'll react to being forced into another war.

 

[toraneko]

Guys, you're missing another possibility.

Caster.

Think about it. Magical shields, sticks that shoot explosive light, making 'demons' fight with you...

Granted, he'd be a suck-ass Caster, but still...

I still think Rider is the perfect class for him. Remember, Pegasus wasn't a NP for Medusa either - it was the bridle of Bellerophon that was. Medusa simply had that connection to Pegasus. In the same way, a reasonably smaller version of Eva-01 could just as easily be Rider!Shinji's mount.

 

[Fatuous One]

???

 

[toraneko]

Hmm...

Y'know, to think of it, Shinji really does seem like he could be Avenger.

No, wait, hear me out.

Ahriman was supposed to be "all the world's evil", correct? And the one hope-slash-sacrifice for his people, correct?

That sure sounds a hell of a lot like what happened with Shinji.

 

[Fatuous One]

???

 

[SMWhat]

Really, the only problem I'm having with Shinji being Berzerker is the whole "loss of sanity" thing. Does that happen to all Berzerkers, or was that just for Heracles?

 

[Fatuous One]

???

 

[TheEcchiSessha]

Really, the only problem I'm having with Shinji being Berzerker is the whole "loss of sanity" thing. Does that happen to all Berzerkers, or was that just for Heracles?

It's an actual skill the Berserker class has. Mad Enhancement causes them to "lose sanity" in exchange for a nice stat boost. I'm not sure if it can be "turned off" or not. I'm thinking no but I could be wrong.

~The Ecchi Sessha

 

[toraneko]

Really, the only problem I'm having with Shinji being Berzerker is the whole "loss of sanity" thing. Does that happen to all Berzerkers, or was that just for Heracles?

It's an actual skill the Berserker class has. Mad Enhancement causes them to "lose sanity" in exchange for a nice stat boost. I'm not sure if it can be "turned off" or not. I'm thinking no but I could be wrong.

Well, it's stated that keeping a Berserker has killed all the Masters who did it until Ilya. Fuyuki elaborates further by stating that the Mad Enhancement also causes a constant drain on the Berserker's Master.

I take that to mean that, no, it can't be turned off; if it could, those other Masters probably wouldn't have died from mana overdraw.

Also, note that while Ilya is considered an exceptionally powerful mage (especially notable for being able to control a Berserker Heracles, and support that kind of Mad Enhancement), she can't use her magic for her own purposes anytime that Heracles is awake.

So, I think that means that, as long as the Servant is awake, the Mad Enhancement is on, and so is the constant severe mana drain.

 

[SMWhat]

How very frustrating.

I'm trying to find a way for Ilya to summon Shinji, but obviously for there to be any story he can't be a Berzerker.

Which means, perhaps, I must switch classes around? But to do so, I would need to keep things straight in my head, and I can't keep things straight in my head.

And I have to things two things ahead, and I can't think two things ahead.

Do you understand?

How very frustrating.



The story, as I see it so far in my mind. And by mind, I mean this piece of lines paper. And by lined paper, I mean this lined paper which also have a scribble of a disco-dancing waitress in sunglasses. And an attempt to record all alternate spellings of the name "Tom Dooley". And what appears to be a crappy sketch of Lady Madonna. I do my best work deliriously, anyway.

*Something about using the Dead Sea Scrolls as a catalyst? Nearby note: "figure out way to word vague prophesy makes reference to single person, yet still fits w/Old Dudes' scenario"
*Something about arguments about magic, but I crossed it out and wrote "goes along b/c that's what he DOES" instead.
*Something about Bach?
*"Him: I don't really want to hurt people. Her: You're totally useless, lol". Yeah, I actually wrote that.
*Something about "save life" and "nice guy".
*"[undecipherable] is fix the hole in the wall I mean [undecipherable] hell's bells!!!!" Your guess is as good as mine.

This would be totally more useful if I could remember what I was thinking when I wrote these. These notes were supposed to trigger my memory, but they don't work. I'm totally re-making minor story elements every time I think about the story again.

 

[Fatuous One]

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