Nasuverse Dream Fics

[Zenithos]

Occasionally I come by pics like this based on tragic animes and the same thoughts always come to mind - heck, that would make a nice fic. But then I thought, if I wrote a fic like that then it would just be like talking about the happy ending without going through the rest of the story. True you could make it one of those 'trouble in paradise' fics, but then it beats the purpose...or does it?

Well, I felt like I had to get that off my chest. What do you think?

 

[ttestagr]

Plenty of doujins like that. I enjoy reading them when I run across them, especially for FSN. I imagine I'd enjoy a FSN fanfic based on the same premise.

 

[Zenithos]

Quick note: I wonder why in the first pic Ilya shows up twice, in the foreground and in the background beside Berserker as well?

There are doujins of this stuff? Hmm...then that means the premise is doable. I do believe the original FSN game was supposed to be an ero-game with your usual 'harem' plot, right? Where the entire 'harem' stays over at the protagonist's house? Otherwise, what's the point of Shirou's oversized mansion?

Hmmm...a happy-ending fanfic is fun to think of but there has to be something to lead up to that. At the end of FSN Saber destroys the holy grail and fails to fulfill her wish. Back in the past, she dies with a smile lingering on her face (usual tragic material). How can we lead that up to a happy ending?

 

[ttestagr]

Have Avalon stay with her and heal her up. Since it also gives limited immortality, you could have the real Arturia show up on Shirou's doorstep after the war.

As for the harem route, I was going to try it but I had no main idea to the fic other than that it was going to end up with a harem end. Not the best way to draw attention to your story. So I scrapped it when I managed to get something new. First chapter is underway...

 

[TheEcchiSessha]

Quick note: I wonder why in the first pic Ilya shows up twice, in the foreground and in the background beside Berserker as well?

I'll field that one.

That's actually Karen(Caren?) from Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. She is a new character introduced in the second game.

As for the happy ending for a F/SN fanfic, I've thought the same thing. I like most of the servants.... ok.... I like all the servants. <_< Though I would say my top 5 are :Saber, Caster, Rider, Archer and Gilgamesh. (Not in that order though )

About the only way I could ever think of saving most of the servants was having them become part of Shirou's "harem". Of course, that leaves the male servants out in "cold" as it were. :sweat: (Then again I am a fan of Archer-ko and Gilgamesh-ko, even if they are fan-made)

~The Ecchi Sessha

 

[Liam-don]

Quick note: I wonder why in the first pic Ilya shows up twice, in the foreground and in the background beside Berserker as well?

It's not Ilya at the side of berserker but Caren Ortensia , a character from Fate/hollow Ataraxia.

 

[Zenithos]

Any chance of getting those games in English? I've been wanting to play some of them. I've read of Hollow Ataraxia before but mostly only teasers. Is it out yet?

And here I again continue on advertising for more players in the Role playing fanfic writing game now hosted down in the 'rants' section titled 'Mayhem at the TFF - Insanity's Prelude'. A quick round up of what's happened - Ttestagr has just unleashed Mara/Motoko on the TFF infiltrators, H-man just crashed his airship, GH is going postal with his Granzon mecha, and I've just been zombiefied, among other things.

 

[Mereo Flere]

If you think about it, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is essentially one of those "Ideal" situations, at least initially. All the servants are around, living their lives without having to fight.

A story set at that point, though taking a different path, could work.

The problem is that doing it in the original story becomes a problem. There wouldn't be enough mana to sustain the servants easily, some people are dead set on trying to kill each other, and Kotomine makes it difficult not to kill anyone.

If you made him die during the fourth holy grail war, that would fix some problems. It wouldn't be nearly as difficult to avoid violence. Even Gilgamesh would be around, though without any mana to draw on to fight.

 

[SimmyC]

Any chance of getting those games in English? I've been wanting to play some of them. I've read of Hollow Ataraxia before but mostly only teasers. Is it out yet?

At the moment, the best you can hope for is someone to 'fan' translate it. Given how long it took for the Tsukihime game translations to come about, might take a while for one to show up (after all, the term 'graphics novel' definitely applies to these 'games').

 

[Fatuous One]

The problem is that doing it in the original story becomes a problem. There wouldn't be enough mana to sustain the servants easily, some people are dead set on trying to kill each other, and Kotomine makes it difficult not to kill anyone.

If you made him die during the fourth holy grail war, that would fix some problems. It wouldn't be nearly as difficult to avoid violence. Even Gilgamesh would be around, though without any mana to draw on to fight.

Actually, two points. One, Kotomine isn't that hard to get rid of, since he's dying anyway. His fake heart is close to expiration by the time the fifth war rolls around. It's not too difficult to imagine that he could kick the bucket if he got into a major fight at one point.

Another thing to note is that Gilgamesh is by himself. He isn't getting any mana from Kotomine, not directly anyway. When the fourth war ended, Gilgamesh got physically materialized via the taint of the grail (same way Kotomine got his spiffy new heart), and his contract with Kotomine expired. Kotomine gave him mana by feeding him the souls of the orphans created from the fourth war. There's no real reason why Gilgamesh can't do that on his own.


As to the topic question, yes. It can be written. I'm in the firm belief that ANYTHING can be written, and written well. That doesn't make all ideas good, but it means that even a bad idea can be turned into a good fic, if the author is talented enough.

 

[Mereo Flere]

Actually, two points. One, Kotomine isn't that hard to get rid of, since he's dying anyway. His fake heart is close to expiration by the time the fifth war rolls around. It's not too difficult to imagine that he could kick the bucket if he got into a major fight at one point.

Another thing to note is that Gilgamesh is by himself. He isn't getting any mana from Kotomine, not directly anyway. When the fourth war ended, Gilgamesh got physically materialized via the taint of the grail (same way Kotomine got his spiffy new heart), and his contract with Kotomine expired. Kotomine gave him mana by feeding him the souls of the orphans created from the fourth war. There's no real reason why Gilgamesh can't do that on his own.


As to the topic question, yes. It can be written. I'm in the firm belief that ANYTHING can be written, and written well. That doesn't make all ideas good, but it means that even a bad idea can be turned into a good fic, if the author is talented enough.

I'm assuming that we also want to keep Bazette active during the Holy Grail War. If Kotomine does die during the Holy Grail War, who would support Lancer, assuming Kotomine stole the command seals from Bazette?

As for Gilgamesh...if Kotomine was dead, it would still be possible to steal the souls of the orphans, but it would also be a whole lot harder. Gilgamesh isn't the most discreet person out there, so I can't imagine him doing it by himself without getting caught, and it's not as if he's like Caster or Rider. It honestly would just be easier to have sex with every female in sight.

 

[Zenithos]

for Gilgamesh...if Kotomine was dead, it would still be possible to steal the souls of the orphans, but it would also be a whole lot harder. Gilgamesh isn't the most discreet person out there, so I can't imagine him doing it by himself without getting caught, and it's not as if he's like Caster or Rider. It honestly would just be easier to have sex with every female in sight.

Can somebody please remind me how exactly servants recharge their mana in the game? I remember that they could kill people and take their soul energy, but what exactly was the OTHER route?

 

[Mereo Flere]

Sleeping and sex with someone who has mana to give.

 

[toraneko]

The "Harem route" seen so often in ero-games and the like isn't present in Fate/Stay Night. Why? Well, multiple branching storylines. Depending on which one occurs, different Servants "live" through the events, and different girls are still around when the action's all over.
The "sequel", Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, is only somewhat of a "harem route". Most of the events of the game didn't get to remain in the "real" timeline. Look up the Wikipedia entry for a better idea about why that is.

Servants have several means of recharging mana. One way is by sleeping; this gives back only a little mana, however. Another is to have the Master channel mana into the Servant. Shirou doesn't know how to properly use his own mana yet, and doesn't know how to give his mana to Saber, so the remaining option is to have sex with her, which transfers some of his mana to her (guess how. ).
Those are the two main ways, but there are others. For example, consuming souls can give a Servant a large mana boost; this is what Gilgamesh has been doing, and Rider has been forced to do this as well due to Matou Shinji's inability as a magic user.

 

[Zenithos]

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[Fatuous One]

Please, stop.

I saw your post about it the time you first made the thread. I thought it was fine when you advertised at first, but spamming every thread even slightly relevant is almost a bastardized violation of rule number three. If anybody was interested, they would have/will post in the main post. They/I don't need to hear the same thing ten times in various threads.

I'm assuming that we also want to keep Bazette active during the Holy Grail War. If Kotomine does die during the Holy Grail War, who would support Lancer, assuming Kotomine stole the command seals from Bazette?

Actually, this gives me an idea. What if Bazette wasn't so trusting of Kotomine? If that were the case, when Kirei tried to backstab her, she could counterattack. THIS could be the fight that ends up causing his heart to fail, thus eliminating him from the war. Gilgamesh would already have been pretty charged at this point as well.

As for Gilgamesh...if Kotomine was dead, it would still be possible to steal the souls of the orphans, but it would also be a whole lot harder. Gilgamesh isn't the most discreet person out there, so I can't imagine him doing it by himself without getting caught, and it's not as if he's like Caster or Rider. It honestly would just be easier to have sex with every female in sight.

It needn't BE orphans. It can be anyone, Kotomine just used them since nobody would miss them. Gilgamesh could just start a killing spree and get mana that way. That's sort of what Shinji DID with Rider, although it was only a small amount of people. And although Gilgamesh doesn't scream subtle, there isn't anyone who can stop him. All the police that might catch up to him would just get added to the plate. Frankly, even if a Magus did find him, they'd stand no chance either. Gilgamesh is the King of H4X. He's even stronger than 30% power Arc (what is during Tsukihime).

 

[Mereo Flere]

It needn't BE orphans. It can be anyone, Kotomine just used them since nobody would miss them. Gilgamesh could just start a killing spree and get mana that way. That's sort of what Shinji DID with Rider, although it was only a small amount of people. And although Gilgamesh doesn't scream subtle, there isn't anyone who can stop him. All the police that might catch up to him would just get added to the plate. Frankly, even if a Magus did find him, they'd stand no chance either. Gilgamesh is the King of H4X. He's even stronger than 30% power Arc (what is during Tsukihime).

You know, I have absolutely no objections to that particular idea. It can definitely work out that way. I can't recall anyone from the Church or the Magus institute capable of taking him down even if he is found, except for maybe Bazette...but that would only be if he used Ea immediately on her, and she used Fragarach on him.

Also...

Fuyuki's Totally Unofficial Power Rankings

Though unofficial, it seems to be pretty accurate based on what I've seen and read (though I do feel that Archer and Shirou should be a little higher ont he list, but that's just me). Rank isn't everything either; going further down, you do read why exactly Gilgamesh would own Arcuid.

 

[Fatuous One]

Of course, that power ranking is only based on pure power. In other words, circumstances are not factored in. This is the reason why things like UBW!Shirou beating Gilgamesh is possible, and why (over all) he's [Shirou] not that powerful. UBW though is an extremely circumstantial ability. With it, he could theoretically copy weapons that were weaknesses against various people, and easily defeat them that way.

I should note though, Gilgamesh is still the King of Carelessness. As noted with circumstantial situations, it's possible for him to be defeated by someone of much inferior ability. I'd imagine that Ciel could probably off him in the same way that Sakura did, by catching him off guard with her 'regeneration' abilities and wounding him fatally.

Of course, this is only on the note that Gilgamesh would attract THAT much attention of getting someone else from the Church involved.

Something off subject to note is that I recall from somewhere that Shiki probably can't perceive Servants without frying his brain. Thus, while the fight of "Shirou VS. Shiki" would end with Shiki winning, he'd more than likely lose against say... Archer.

 

[Chaos Blade]

It needn't BE orphans. It can be anyone, Kotomine just used them since nobody would miss them. Gilgamesh could just start a killing spree and get mana that way. That's sort of what Shinji DID with Rider, although it was only a small amount of people. And although Gilgamesh doesn't scream subtle, there isn't anyone who can stop him. All the police that might catch up to him would just get added to the plate. Frankly, even if a Magus did find him, they'd stand no chance either. Gilgamesh is the King of H4X. He's even stronger than 30% power Arc (what is during Tsukihime).

But those actions might draw attention of the flks that do have a chance of doing something against him, like the Burial organization, maybe the dead apostoles, and indoubtbly Zeltrech, you know, the guy who offed the Crimsom Moon (and by default, his students, like a certain blue gunner )

 

[toraneko]

If I read the Fuyuki page right, Miss Blue doesn't stand a chance against Gil, unless he gets cocky and drops his guard.

...which, knowing the King of Heroes, is all but a guarantee. ^_^

 

[Zenithos]

Please, stop.

I saw your post about it the time you first made the thread. I thought it was fine when you advertised at first, but spamming every thread even slightly relevant is almost a bastardized violation of rule number three. If anybody was interested, they would have/will post in the main post. They/I don't need to hear the same thing ten times in various threads.

My apologies. Won't happen again. Actually, that's the second time you've warned me of a rule violation...same rule too. If you were an admin I would already have been banned by now....gulp....sorry....

Anyway, after going through all the material here (particularly the hollow ataraxia stuff), I've already started to envision such a fic. It'll probably be somewhat similar to Angelic Days, only here it's the past that haunts the characters. Or something like that. The idea will need a bit more work.

I'll have to go rewatch FSN again. It's been an entire year and I've gone rather cold on all the technical stuff.

 

[toraneko]

You might want to check out this page for supplementary information on the world of Type-Moon (many of us in the Western side call it the Nasu-verse, after its creater, Nasu Kinoko).

It's mostly a direct translation from the Japanese texts and whatnot, so it may be a bit difficult to read correctly at times, but I seem to be able to get the gist of what's being said well enough.

 

[Fatuous One]

But those actions might draw attention of the flks that do have a chance of doing something against him, like the Burial organization, maybe the dead apostoles, and indoubtbly Zeltrech, you know, the guy who offed the Crimsom Moon (and by default, his students, like a certain blue gunner )

Burial organization is mainly for inconveniences to the Church itself, unless Gilgamesh suddenly started slaughtering priests left and right, I can't see it getting involved by direct order. Dead Apostoles are uninterested in most things outside of their designs, and someone going around killing people so that they can continue existing is about as uninteresting as you can get for one of them. Zeltrech is so freaking flighty it's 50/50 either way you want it (the only reason he appeared in F/SN [AFTER the last fight] was to say "oh, hey, good job on making that there sword there. You Tohsaka's have really come a long way in the last hundred years or so!"). Oh, and (while toraneko did briefly go into this...) concerning Aoko, she'd (very likely) lose.

Aoko is no match for a serious Caster.

While there's a difference in abilities, (i.e., magic VS. magic) Gilgamesh would still be able to pound her so badly because, in the end, she relies on magic. If Gilgamesh were a more average Servant she probably would be able to go head-to-head without much a of problem, but Gil is the King of Heroes for a reason. While his carelessness IS a deciding factor, it doesn't really matter if Aoko doesn't go all out at the beginning either.

So, over all, not likely.

My apologies. Won't happen again. Actually, that's the second time you've warned me of a rule violation...same rule too. If you were an admin I would already have been banned by now....gulp....sorry....

Unlikely. But, I'm not anyway, so there's no need to worry. ^^;;

 

[Chaos Blade]

Well, in part it goes to gil's careless part, he'd rpobably woul;dn't care how many hornet nets he could be kicking...

Still, given who he is I would never belive anyone would go in a one in one against him. true, he outlcassess a lot of people, but can he do that agaisnt them at the same time?

 

[Mereo Flere]

Gilgamesh has the kind of Noble Phantasm that is effective whether it is a single enemy or not. And while Gilgamesh certainly doesn't care how much attention he gets, he very rarely seeks it out intentionally. It would have to serve his purpose somehow.

He has been known to avoid trouble, after all. Hollow Ataraxia is just one example of it.