Election: Mod 3

Who is your choice for mod?


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Vexarian

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Zephyrus said:
Dark Knight Gafgar said:
Zephyrus said:
Don't rag on the guy just because no one cares to vote for you or Ryuugi. In my personal opinion, I'd trust Chrono to do a better job of moderating than either you or Ryuugi. Don't turn this into a personal attack fest just because you lost.
No offense to Chrono, but more than one of the people voting for him already turned this into a personal attack fest as early as the previous poll.
And two wrongs do not make a right.

I don't know about other voters, but I've made my preferences clear and why. Chrono and Ryuugi have, to my knowledge, not made any personal attacks on other candidates. Neither have any of the other candidates, unless I missed something glaring.

Vex is the only person who has become needlessly antagonistic when it was made clear that not very many people desired to see him become a moderator. It is not chrono's fault, nor any other candidate's fault, that he did not win.
So what? You're just coming out and admitting that you did wrong Zephyrus? I didn't think you had it in you, and for that matter I still don't.

There is only one candidate on this poll that I'm being antagonistic toward right now. I don't give a shit about Chronodekar being in the lead, all I care about is why he's in the lead.

And the only reason he is, is because of you, you and your band of election rigging misfits. All with a stick so far up your fucking asses about me that you weren't happy just voting against me, but doing everything in your power to ensure that I, and Ryuugi both lose, going out of your way even, just to be a bitter little shit.

That's just fucking disgusting. We were having a perfectly fun campaign for forum moderator, and you had to come along and ruin it.

You're a class fucking act Zephyrus. Never change.
 
This is why democracy fails.

Voting.
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
fallacies, if my memory serves me correctly, you once attempted to inform me of the existence of consequences for interaction over the internet. About how you could hurt people with words and actions, even if you aren't anywhere near them. You have proven it rather spectacularly. You sought out and pestered people who voted for someone you didn't like to change their votes. The reason you dislike this person is apparently so petty and embarrassing you are unwilling to even say what it is, or so insignificant to you that you forgot what it was.

Since Wata is in your corner, you will most likely not suffer or be reprimanded in anyway for this, and this is horrible.

But I will simply have to live with the fact you decided you had the right to decide who got to be Moderator of the forum and who didn't, you and only you. And were proven right. Completely. To the point it can't even be questioned. After all, the Admin agrees with you.

What I thought when I first saw you posting 5 years ago, arguing with Lord Raine, was true, you truly are an utterly petty thing, and I will now treat you as such.

Jakkun, I only tangentially knew who you even were before you posted in this thread. I knew somewhere in my mind there was a member of TFF named Jakkun, and recognized you when I saw you, but we travel such different circles we've never really spoken.

I am now glad for that. Because the way you have been acting is without words. Or at least, without words that wouldn't get me temp banned, which is odd, since the rules we voted for say I can curse at anyone I want all day and all night. But I guess that doesn't matter either. Do you even know what an election is? Are you a child? Does the concept of a fair election where there are people who aren't you escape you that completely? That people who aren't you make different choices from you and have different opinions then you?

You actually asked if everyone could vote for someone else so you could vote for the someone who was not two specific people and win. Let me explain something that you seemingly do not understand. In an election, the only people who get to ask voters to change their votes or vote for a specific person? Are the candidates. You were not a candidate. You never were a candidate, and if you had been you wouldn't have gotten any actual votes anyway, because no one would have voted for someone so incapable of understanding the fact that other people exist and have thoughts that are different from yours.

Winning is not the point of an election. It is to give everyone equal say in what's going on or who does what. What goes against that point is whining incessantly at people over IRC to change their votes. What goes against that point is asking the administrator to remove the people who were winning from the pole because you didn't like that they were winning, at the very least, you did not get your way that time, it must have been devastating, considering your mindset.

Zephyrus, I understand not liking Vexarian, you've done that for years to my knowledge, this isn't new, I expected it. Vexarian has already given his opinion on you. But what did Ryuugi do? You yourself have said you don't even now who he is. Was it respecting Vexarian as an opponent in the elections? Was it telling three of his fans with accounts here that there was a vote going on? Because if you want to be fair, that wasn't even his idea.

It was mine. Not the asking people from DLP part admittedly, but I suggested that if Ryuugi cared at all about winning he take advantage of the fact that he is a very prolific writer with many stories that have many readers. Now that he's gotten his belated update spree started, I now think he was talking to the people from DLP because he was working on a snippet for his Harry Potter Fic, and just mentioned it to the ones he knew had accounts since he was already there.

In fact. All of Ryuugi's campaign decisions were an idea I suggested, the offer to fix the broken story posts? My suggestion. The realization that the posts could be fixed using the edit trick? Mine. His nomination? From me (I also seconded Tk's I believe). Him confirming it? I told him about the rules confusion after Shiro cleared it up and told him to go accept it.

Ryuugi hardly cares if he becomes mod or not, honestly I don't know why he went along with all of that. The only reason I even did it was because when I asked him he expressed mild interest. The only time he even tried to do anything before he started getting cheated was when Vexarian challenged him and he made the perfectly acceptable move that resulted in everyone flipping out for no reason. Ironically, that simple move is probably what lost him the election.

Ryuugi? Sorry man, my bad, I should have sucked less at this Campaign Manager thing.

I'm going to do the best I can to abstain from communicating with any of the petty spiteful bastard's responsible for this rape of democracy.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
Before this turns into even more of a shitshow, I'll remind people that the report button is there for a reason.

Don't throw more poo, just report and move on.

Nothing to see here.
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
What rules are we breaking? We specifically voted to allow rampant insults and cursing, if we aren't breaking the rules they can hit the report button all they want.

This is TFF, not some hugbox that dispenses free hand jobs.

Honestly, even Vex is holding his tongue remarkably well.

It's kind of disturbing.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
We also said personal attacks are something to be careful with. There were several fairly major ones imo, from calls of bias to attempting to pin the entire drama on one person.

This isn't a big deal. Stop flipping your shits about it and calm down.
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
All insults are by definition a word said with the intent of causing emotional harm to a specific person.

By the rules it is both acceptable to call someone a Pig Fucker, and unacceptable to call them a Pig Fucker.

So what am I suppose to do when someone is being a Pig Fucker?

EDIT: And let's be honest here, both you and I were in that chat when Wata made very clear his opinion.

Not one thing I said about Wata's position was a claim, or an opinion. It was fact.

Watashiwa is a human being and humans beings are biased.

Just because you turned his name green doesn't make that stop being true.
 
Alright, that's quite enough. All of you, chill the fuck out.

Vex, you're out of goddamn line. I voted for you because I thought you wouldn't crack under pressure, but it seems I was mistaken.

Zeph, while Vex is being extremely inflammatory about it, he has a point in that a bunch of people asking their voters to redirect their votes was a dick move, and it isn't how elections should work anyway. Guess the poll shouldn't have had an 'undo vote' option. It ended up causing more problems than it solved.

Aarik, please don't add to the trouble.

Everyone in general, please calm down. Because you really need to. This is getting worse than my spats with Lord Raine, and that's NOT a good thing. If this keeps up, I'll have to actually use what mod powers I do have and take action to MAKE people calm down. If I do, no one will be happy afterwards - not me, not you, and definitely not Wata when he sees the latest evolution of this shitstorm.

So calm the hell down.
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
I said what I needed to say all ready, Mostly I'm trying to figure out the rules on pejoratives.

Honestly, I feel much better.

I was so furious I couldn't sleep. So I decided: Fuck it and stayed up all night typing and revising that huge post.

Thank science Ero helped me fix that up, it used to be bigger, but I'm not stupid enough to post while that pissed off without someone to check my work first.

Hopefully the rage based adrenaline will cut off soon and I can finally go to bed.

The rapid heart beat and constant pacing are really annoying.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
Go watch the video of a sneezing baby panda. That should calm you- getting irl pissed over internet isn't something you should lose sleep over, it's just a silly forum.

I know it's a forum that means a lot to us, but at the end of the day, it's just a silly little forum.

I'm not trying to insult you btw on saying you shouldn't get irl pissed- I'm just saying, step back, take a breath, and go "Yeah. This really is not actually an important issue at all."

This advice should probably go to a lot of people in this thread.

EDIT: I still don't even know who you're saying wata is biased for. You keep saying fallacies, but fallacy isn't here or even remotely involved. Are you meaning vex?
 

violinmana

(Hardcore) Gamer
I definitely agree that the undo vote button should not have been there. In the end, being a mod or administrator on the forum, however much it means to us, boils down to stroking ourselves off.

I'll admit, I don't like Vex. He had no idea what the hell he was even talking about when he wanted to go about "fixing" the problem in ONE DAY.

Ryuugi, I have no qualms with, he understood the problem, corrected himself, acted with a poise reserved for royalty.

It's just that I like Zeph more. He's a friend, and I trusted that he will listen to both sides of an argument and act impartially. That's why I voted for him.
 

Zephyrus

Searching for the six-fingered man.
I'm mostly confused more than anything. It wasn't ME who even suggested switching votes. Everyone in IRC can attest to that. I asked my voters (all *THREE* of them) to vote where they will since they were wasted on me.

GH, don't pin blame on me just because Vex is so sure that it's all my fault. I didn't suggest vote switching. I went along with it because it seemed to be the best way to keep Vex from getting a mod position. I've made no secret of that. If Vex has a grievance, he can air it with the administration of this forum.

As for my feelings on Ryuugi: I've said it several times on IRC and I will say it again. Ryuugi would not have been a bad mod. I don't think he would have been anywhere NEAR terrible. However, calling for reinforcements offboard, no matter how few they were, was bad form, even if they did have TFF accounts. It lost what little respect I had for Ryuugi as a candidate, since I've never spoken to him or read any of his work.
 

foreverzero

Well-Known Member
I think everyone's getting sidetracked from the most important issue here.

Aarik said:
This is TFF, not some hugbox that dispenses free hand jobs.
This is a thing, right? We can just add a package like the Games Section for this, right? Because it should totally be a thing.

 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
This is a warning to everyone involved in the back and forth. If this completely pointless drama continues, I'm going to lock the thread.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
foreverzero said:
I think everyone's getting sidetracked from the most important issue here.

Aarik said:
This is TFF, not some hugbox that dispenses free hand jobs.
This is a thing, right? We can just add a package like the Games Section for this, right? Because it should totally be a thing.

You want wata to ask spork to add h-games to the list of available gamesection flash games?

./hides
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
Shirotsume said:
Go watch the video of a sneezing baby panda. That should calm you- getting irl pissed over internet isn't something you should lose sleep over, it's just a silly forum.

I know it's a forum that means a lot to us, but at the end of the day, it's just a silly little forum.

I'm not trying to insult you btw on saying you shouldn't get irl pissed- I'm just saying, step back, take a breath, and go "Yeah. This really is not actually an important issue at all."

This advice should probably go to a lot of people in this thread.

EDIT: I still don't even know who you're saying wata is biased for. You keep saying fallacies, but fallacy isn't here or even remotely involved. Are you meaning vex?
I hate how people always act like emotions are this thing you have a switchboard for and can turn on and off.

Stuff happens and your 2 terabyte quaternary meat computer reacts to it. Your brain pushes the angry button, or the sad button, or the 'get a boner' button. It doesn't matter if it's stupid, or that you know it's stupid, you just get angry, or sad, the end, and you stay that way until your brain says to stop.

And people just have to learn to deal with it. Mostly I treat the really annoying ones like a status condition.

Though to be honest, I've been trying to fix my sleep schedule forward several hours for weeks, so this helped that at least.

Now that I've gotten some sleep I feel much better, though I have a pounding headache.

Now that I can actually sit still again and not go pacing back and fourth I can hopefully get some reading done, there were a few updates yesterday and today I couldn't get to because I couldn't sit still and read them.

Have fun with the thread guys. There's no point staying if no one's gonna tell me about the rule thing with cursing.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea to let voters view the vote results at all until after the poll was finished. Because we could do that it turned in a popularity contest and a shitstorm of "I have to change my vote because fuck that guy/because I don't want my vote to be wasted!"

Just something to keep in mind for any future polls the administration might hold.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
I could tell you what I intended the rule to be, but that no longer matters. Just gotta wait for wata/Ero to pop in.

As for emotions... tbf, emotions are always a weird place for me, so what I think is neither here nor there, but I know several people who can generally calm them self down by stepping back like that. Apparently you aren't, so that sucks.

For some of us, it really just is a "punch that button, you're done."

EDIT: Altered Nova: The reason I set the polls up this way is public, so it was obvious no rigging had occurred, and changeable, because discussions were happening during the voting instead of before. In that respect, the undo vote has done EXACTLY what I activated it for- allowed people to change their vote after new information comes up. I would have preferred votes to be changed through measured, level discourse, however.

In the future, we won't be under a time crunch and the discussion can happen BEFORE voting. There isn't, however, any way to hide results until the end- and I wouldn't have done that anyway. Would have felt dishonest.
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
Shit's over. I present your third lord and master:

CHRONODEKAR


If anyone has any complaints about it, too bad. This election bullshit is over and done with, and if you insist on continuing to complain about it, do it on someone else's time and at someone else's place.

Thread: LOCKED.
 

The Ero-Sennin

The Eyes of Heaven
Staff member
And we are open for business once again.
 

T.L

Well-Known Member
Have removed my vote as I said I would.
Abstaining from this vote.
 

MnemoD

Well-Known Member
Vote for zerohour! A vote for zerohour is a vote for freedom and prosperity!

And zero hours. So I guess that ties into the whole freedom thing.
 
I'll keep my vote as is. Captain and his ship you could say.
 

Jakkun

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't be terribly upset if Ryuugi does become a moderator at some point. He was pretty mature about the whole thing while some others weren't. It doesn't look like he will be winning this time, but if we ever add more mods I might vote for him. So I'm withdrawing my objection about him. He seems an alright guy.
 
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