Naruto Elemental jutsus

[zaminieinstein]

I'm pretty confused. I believe I read somewhere that the Chidori was the result of Kakashi trying to fuse his elemental chakra with the Rasengan. I can't exactly remember what chapter that was, or if that was some random fanon thing I picked up, but it's confusing me!

Assuming that it is true, then Chidori is the result of Rasengan and lightning chakra, right?

Then why do you need handseals to perform it? How come Rasengan doesn't need handseals? How come Sasuke learned it so quickly? If we go by the "he used the Sharingan to copy it" theory, then that means that the Chidori is not really the result of elemental chakra.
Wouldn't that also mean that theoretically Sasuke could work backwards to create the Rasengan?
How come Sasuke could copy the Chidori but not the Rasengan?
Do the handseals add the lightning element to the jutsu?

Also...Orochimaru's ambition was to learn all the jutsu in the world. If he was of a certain element, wouldn't that mean that he couldn't jutsu of different elements?

Any thoughts? Or has this been answered already?

 

[SoftRogue]

I'm pretty confused. I believe I read somewhere that the Chidori was the result of Kakashi trying to fuse his elemental chakra with the Rasengan. I can't exactly remember what chapter that was, or if that was some random fanon thing I picked up, but it's confusing me!

Assuming that it is true, then Chidori is the result of Rasengan and lightning chakra, right?

Then why do you need handseals to perform it? How come Rasengan doesn't need handseals? How come Sasuke learned it so quickly? If we go by the "he used the Sharingan to copy it" theory, then that means that the Chidori is not really the result of elemental chakra.
Wouldn't that also mean that theoretically Sasuke could work backwards to create the Rasengan?
How come Sasuke could copy the Chidori but not the Rasengan?
Do the handseals add the lightning element to the jutsu?

Also...Orochimaru's ambition was to learn all the jutsu in the world. If he was of a certain element, wouldn't that mean that he couldn't jutsu of different elements?

Any thoughts? Or has this been answered already?

Plot....meet hole....

 

[Amberion]

I'm sorry but have i missed where they say that you can't do a jutsu outside of your own affinity?

Also, when Kakashi explained about affinity, didn't he say Sasuke had 2 at the time?

Might be I'm mixing fanfics with canon though.

 

[locke69]

Look at a few different thread, the answers are ALL there.

http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...?showtopic=1685
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...p?showtopic=827
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...?showtopic=1158
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...?showtopic=1485
http://z14.invisionfree.com/The_Fanfiction...p?showtopic=423

Those are just the one I looked at quickly, and that are relative to your questions.

EDIT: Damn, shouldn't have read the pilot inbetween looking for pages.

 

[Cuchullain]

chidori was an original jutsu created by kakashi it has no
relation to rasengan that i know of.

Sasuke cant copy it because there are no hand seals to
rasengan, its a technique based on concentration of the
mind and the users chakra, theres nothing for the sharingan to see
and mimic.

 

[nuclear death frog]

That would be nice, except Kakashi specifically said in Chapter 321 that he created Chidori because he couldn't do a Lightning Rasengan. And of Rasengan, he said he could "copy it up to this point". He specifically said 'copy'. Meaning that he almost certainly ripped the Rasengan off the Fourth sometime after Obito died; he probably saw the Fourth do it once or twice beforehand but didn't understand the mechanics. Jiraiya wasn't around and Kakashi probably couldn't have done it when he stopped Naruto and Sasuke from killing each other on the hospital roof, because he was only there for the very end of that.

 

[Bruce]

Going into the larger topic of elemental aspects, if they really did exist at the beginning of the story, then they probably should have the inital makeup of teams be of a number and be balanced so that each team covers pretty much the entire elemental set or at least cover it so that if an enemy is strong against one of the team at least one other can just switch out and be strong versus that opponent. Likewise all ninjas at the start be trained to recognized and go after those they are strong against and retreat or switch with someone else or work around the strengths and weaknesses of it. Even if someone can be strong in multiple elements, they should still observe and tailor the elemental aspects accordingly. For that matter, the "academy" lessons should make sure the the students have at least one offensive and one defensive justu of each of the elements even if it is of a low level just so they would be familiar with them and possibly so that they could later gain some mastery.

 

[Cuchullain]

That would be nice, except Kakashi specifically said in Chapter 321 that he created Chidori because he couldn't do a Lightning Rasengan. And of Rasengan, he said he could "copy it up to this point". He specifically said 'copy'. Meaning that he almost certainly ripped the Rasengan off the Fourth sometime after Obito died; he probably saw the Fourth do it once or twice beforehand but didn't understand the mechanics. Jiraiya wasn't around and Kakashi probably couldn't have done it when he stopped Naruto and Sasuke from killing each other on the hospital roof, because he was only there for the very end of that.

In the chapter 321 that i have, when Kakashi forms the rasengan he says this
is as far as he could do, that he wasnt able to combine it with his lightning
element.He never says he created chidori because he couldnt do rasengan As far as i can see he never even said he copied it.

You have to remember that kakashi is a genius and the student of the fourth and he may have been taught it to kakashi before he died.

Even then there two different jutsu, chidori is the best piercing technique
seen in the series, while rasengan is the more destructive of the two
and is more like a bomb.

 

[Jakkun]

If the Sharingan could copy it, there would have been a lot of Uchiha running around with it. I think he copied it the hard way, as in learned the damn thing himself. He had well over a decade to muse on its workings and figure it out. Maybe Naruto told him the steps for some reason after he learned it. Which is pretty likely, since unless it was retconned that he knew it the whole time and just chose not to use it, it is just stupid.

Kakashi was inspired by the Rasengan when creating the Chidori, but it wasn't his failed attempt at making it. He wanted something of his own that worked on a similar principle, chakra around the hand and killing people with it. He chose the piercing method instead of frag grenade.

 

[perfect_solider]

thats would be a nice theory....but knowing Kishi and his love for sharingan Kakashi will have somehow managed to have ripped the fourth for his move because as far as I knew only ero-sennen and Naruto knew the move :huh.: :huh.: :hmm:

 

[Jakkun]

Maybe he copied Naruto using it with the Magenkyo. There is no way he can explain the entire Uchiha clan not even trying to copy it if it was possible with normal eyes. If any clan could copy it, I would say it would be the Hyuuga. They probably just haven't tried because it's not their style or some snobbish reason like that.

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

He could, likely, rip the idea and the basic technique behind it... but the actual usage I doubt. He would know how it works, but not necessarily how to make himself capable of it.

Most hand sealed jutsu, presumably, work essentially the same way with how the chakra moves. For example a Katon jutsu isn't much different in execution than a Doton jutsu... just different seals, different amount of chakra, and a different 'pattern.'

Rasengan doesn't fit that mold, though. It's different.

Sharingan users could see how the chakra moves, but, since it isn't a hand sealed jutsu with the normal 'template style' workings, they would likely have to practice the technique to have any success with it. So they could copy it 'up to a point.'

The problem comes in at 'how do you learn it?' Even knowing how it works doesn't mean they'll be able to reverse engineer it.

That's my theory on it. :huh.: