Nasuverse Emilya Saga

[Zenithos]

Ok, I'm sure most of you FSN fans already know who Emilya is. For those of you who don't, allow me to explain.

As far as I know, Emilya is a character from an FSN doujin titled Emilya Saga. Emilya was formed out of the fusion of Ilya and Emiya Shirou when Ilya decided to give up her body for to allow the then severely injured Shirou to survive. I don't think I'll elaborate on the circumstances involved as I'm not too sure myself and any speculation on my part would get me flamed to death by the hardcore FSN fans :snigger:

Anyway, Emilya then returns to the Emiya household and continues on living with Lolicon duo Rin and Sakura, along with Rider.

Oh, and note, Emilya is pretty much a fusion of Shirou and Ilya, so her looks are slightly more masculine than Ilya's, with pale pinkish, rather messy hair. Otherwise, they're very similar in form.

Now here's the idea for the plot. Emilya, feeling guilty for having caused Ilya's death (is she dead? I'm not too sure), decides to take it upon herself the task of reviving her (is reviving people possible with the grail?). In order to do so, she prepares for the next holy grail war by working on her magic skills, which, off course, have been boosted considerably, it being Ilya's body.

Knowing that Shirou with his original body (which had fewer magical circuits) was capable of something as badass as the UBWs, it goes without saying that he/she can most likely cook up something even more badass, now that he/she has a more magically tuned body.

What follows is something I thought up off the top of my head, so excuse me -

When the holy grail wars finally arrived, Emilya summons none other than Caster AKA Ilyasviel Von Einzbern....

Wait, never mind, that defeats the purpose of the story, doesn't it? But it was worth a thought.

Anyway, she takes part in the next holy grail war and encounters foes new and old. Beyond that, no, I haven't thought of anything yet. I really want to get Tsukihime involved somewhere. Maybe have Shiki be a servant or a master?

Obviously, this idea will need considerable development first.

Oh, btw, this is an idea up for grabs.

 

[Fatuous One]

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[Zenithos]

Somehow, I had a feeling you'd be the first to reply. I also had a feeling you'd be the one to shoot it down :snigger: I guess it's difficult to get one past F1 ^_^

Now that you mention it, yeah, I do recall that part about Emilya saying she doesn't want to waste the life Ilya gave her. It's been quite a while and my memory is just poor, to say the least.

In essence, Ilya's body still exists. As for her soul, it wasn't exactly specified what happened to it. It could be lying dormant inside that very body. Now all Shirou would need is his own body back and for that he'd need to be able to make a wish. Let's say the puppet body just won't work for this situation, just to make the plot possible.

As for the Holy Grail, err....a divergence? What if Lord Melloi II didn't take apart the Grail war system? Or perhaps go the Fate Hollow Ataraxia way and create a time loop where Emilya was given the chance to return to the past...err...to the fourth or third holy grail wars. Well, if she gets sent back to the fifth one, then rather than participating in the war, she could just try and prevent the whole incident from happening.

And if we go the 'Ilya becomes a servant' way, just to allow for the 'resurrection', then we can have Ilya having made a contract with the world just to save Shirou.

Or is there absolutely no way this fic would work?

 

[Fatuous One]

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[Mereo Flere]

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I suddenly have the picture of Shirou exploding himself as a kamikaze attack to send swords flying everywhere...

 

[Fatuous One]

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[Shikaze]

Just so to make sure, I'm not a specialist of the Nasuverse, but there's one Greater Grail and many Lesser Grails if my memory doesn't fail me, no ? And the Grail summoned by Shirou&Co is one of the lesser, as far as I understand.
Is there a way to tweak the HF end to make sure the Greater grail is still protected ? I think, but I'm not sure, that only the lesser grail was tainted... And if only the lesser grail is destroyed, they can search for another one. Illiya then could have her soul 'stored' in the greater grail, and could be taken out by use of a lesser grail.
I'll let F1 rip this idea apart, but I tought it could work.

 

[Fatuous One]

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[Shikaze]

Well, I was basing the 'storing soul' idea on the oujin, where we see Illiya's soul (I think) closing a door, most likely leading to the greater grail. But as I said, you're the resident Nasuverse expert, and I bow to your expertise.

 

[Fatuous One]

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[ttestagr]

The problem with this idea lies with Emilya because Heaven's Feel doesn't work with it. If you're willing to part with Emilya, you can work it with another scenario. For example, Fate Shirou and Saber's attempt to rescue her and stop the Grail goes FUBAR and ends up with them taking out the Grail and Ilya at the same time. That Shirou, I can see guilty enough to try to bring her back in a future Heaven's Feel. If you're looking for power, Fate Shirou has a lot of potential simply because Avalon is a part of his tracing arsenal.

 

[Fatuous One]

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[toraneko]

Okay, my more-than-two-cents.

I'm fairly certain that being in Ilya's body wouldn't help Shirou be a better magus, at least not in the way you're probably thinking. The magic circuits are actually not located in the physical body, but in the soul. Being in Ilya's body might give Shirou access to the magic seals on Ilya's body, though.

F1, you forgot an important detail: The Fuyuki Holy Grail is only one of hundreds that have occurred in the Church's recorded history alone - nevermind how many there may have been before the Church's history, or how many the Church didn't know about. It may be possible to find (maybe even make) another Grail elsewhere.
I'm given the impression that the Grail Wars have wreaked havoc on the leylines in Fuyuki, so there probably can't be another one there for quite some time.

And a final nitpick: If Shiki can be a Master to Ren, a Servant might not be out of the question (though he would probably be pretty awful at it).
Shiki as a Servant, though... Well, we've been over that one already, so I won't go into that one. :lol:

 

[Fatuous One]

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[toraneko]

HMM... Now this is odd. It's been pointed out that Shirou has been replacing parts of himself (nerves) with circuits. If the circuits are completely part of the soul, then this shouldn't be possible.

Not to mention, if that were the case, proper breeding should have no affect on how many circuits one is born with, which it does.

Fuyuki addressed this, albeit in a slightly confusing way:

http://fuyuki.pbwiki.com/Magic#Circuits[/URL]]Also, the actual location of circuits is found in the soul rather than in the physical body. On the other hand, the body's ability to actually express these is pretty important, apparently.

I belive the lineage-related bit has something to do with Akasha. An individual's spiritual makeup is partially related to his lineage, so the number of circuits he inherits would also be affected by his parentage. This is supported by Rin's explanations about "genes of the soul".

As for Shirou using his nerves as circuits, again, Fuyuki (same page):

Shirou, however, originally made the mistake of thinking he had to make a circuit each time instead of turning one on; extremely dangerous as it runs the risk of blowing himself apart if he screwed up. Kiritsugu also used his circuits in the same way, supposedly, or at least didn't realize that Shirou was doing this. Because he didn't know that he just had to make a circuit once in order to be able to use it, most of his 27 circuits had been "sleeping". As a result, his normal nerves were becoming his circuits. Opening and activating one of these sleeping circuits by force caused it to enter a state of shock, and temporarily screwed up his own nervous system. Self-mutilation might have been what helped lead Shirou to his brand of thaumaturgy.

Except not quite.
The Fuyuki Grail Wars are special in that Servants can be summoned in their original form, this cannot be duplicated anywhere else. There's also a specific use for the Eirei, and that being made into a fuel to poke a hole into the wish-making stuff.

The Fuyuki Grail was created, once upon a time. It might be possible to do it again. They'd need a suitable location (strong leylines), they'd need to duplicate the system the Fuyuki Grail operated by, and they'd need an enduring Greater Grail. And, of course, strong and talented mages to do those tasks. But if they could do all that, recreating the Fuyuki Grail is theoretically possible.

Either way, though, I didn't specify anything about Servants. They might not be necessary. Anything that brings about the Third Magic would do the trick.

I don't think anyone in the Fuyuki Wrecking Crew (except possibly Rin, thanks to Zelretch) has the capacity to bring about True Magic, though... not unless Shirou, Rin, and Sakura all work together, and a "miracle" happens.

Now, it's possible for Shirou to take place in another Grail War, problem is that it doesn't necessarily have the exact connotations of the Fuyuki Grail War (meaning, very likely, they're very limited compared to Fuyuki).
Now, the last bit IS complete speculation, but I don't think it's unbelievable.

I don't think there even has to be a Grail War, really; the Fuyuki Grail system was only one method of doing the job. If the goal is to have an artifact or system that can grant a wish on a large scale - for example, bringing Ilya back and giving her a normal human body, or even changing the course of history - then whatever method is used, the result is a Grail.

Yet again, I quote Fuyuki:

One of the greatest of holy artifacts; a granter of its possessor's wishes. That derivation is called "a cup that grants wishes" found in many legends. The Fuyuki Holy Grail is in actuality the 726th one recorded; anything that can do the same thing as the legendary Holy Grail is considered to be a Holy Grail, even if it isn't the real thing.

Now, as I'm sick of using the quote function, I'll continue things off the cuff from here.

Didn't Arc say outright that Shiki does have circuits? I believe it was when she was explaining to him about his Mystic Eyes.

 

[Fatuous One]

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[toraneko]

Using Roa as an example, if the soul were what contained magical circuits, and his soul had a written template on it, why did the number of his circuits vary whenever he reincarnated? He never had the same number, and indeed, he had the most when he originally began.

He also didn't bother to keep his original identity, sacrificing it in favor of simply keeping his existence intact. There was little remaining of the original Michael Roa Valdamjong except the name Roa and some lingering memories (which, it was stated, would also eventually fade).

Roa's a bad example to use, really; the full nature of his reincarnation hasn't been explained. How is it even possible for Ciel to be alive at all, when her soul (Roa) had moved on?

Pardon, but that still doesn't explain it. It states that Shirous nerves were becoming circuits "As a result, his normal nerves were becoming his circuits.", this doesn't make sense in the context of what you're talking about, as by what you're saying, the circuits shouldn't be something that can be manifested physically like that then.

As I read it, it means that Shirou was accidentally bypassing his real circuits and channeling the maryoku through his nerves, making them into a kind of magic circuit.

Well, it's possible to make another Grail similar to the Fuyuki, yes. Fuyuki wasn't the ONLY place that allowed for it... The problem, however, it that creating the grail took A LOT of work, and the circumstances were enough that Fuyuki was the only option available. I can't see that changing, even in so many years.

Well, I didn't say it would be easy, y'know.

The Einzbern family is the only one with the Third Magic, and I don't see them wasting more resources on a black hole anymore, since their original project STILL didn't work for the last 200 years or so AND got trashed at the end.

Nothing says they have a copyright on the Third Magic. Others may come along who are capable, I'd think. "The Einzberns are the only current ones known" is how I read it.
But yeah, I doubt the Einzberns themselves would be too keen on it.

Point. This could work as a means to do so. However, it also is such that I wonder if Shirou could even 'participate', there's literally no information on how other Grails beside the Fuyuki one work. On one hand, it could work to the author's favor (since it's a blank slate), but on the other hand that makes it even more difficult since you're running on nothing but your own imagination and a bare set of rules.

Hey, the entire point of magic - even in Kinoko World - is to do the impossible.
I mean, UBW itself pretty much runs on Shirou's "own imagination and a bare set of rules", so...

Didn't Arc say outright that Shiki does have circuits? I believe it was when she was explaining to him about his Mystic Eyes.

She was actually talking literally about his brain.

Well, the brain is supposed to be the place where the magic circuits on the spiritual body interact with the physical body, so maybe it's actually both?

 

[Fatuous One]

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