Fanfiction Faux Pas

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#1
I was thinking that perhaps there should be a list of things for the novice writer to avoid if they wish to improve their writing.

First up, author's notes in the parenthises in the main story text.

Author's notes should be at the end of the chapter, in my opinion, with a marker if there is something that would not be immediately obvious to the reader(*)

I'm sure that there are many other things and that many of you would consider this to be a ranting topic, but I feel that if there is a list of things to avoid it would be better if the less experienced members of the fanfiction community could use this as a resource to better themselves.

Or at least, that's what I'm telling myself, so feel free to add things that you think should be avoided or things that should be used.

Obviously a skilled pre-reader and spell checker are givens, but I'm interested in seeing what sort of thing others think should be avoided.



*This is a prime example of how it should be done, in my opinion. Of course, this is just the opinion of one writer who has enjoyed a modicum of popularity, so your mileage may vary.
 

Mereo Flere

Well-Known Member
#2
Avoid ever typing FLASHBACK. If you want to indicate that scene happened in the past, there are other ways to do it that isn't so...blunt.

Also avoid block paragraphs. They're a pain to read, and splitting up the sentences would give it a better flow.

Don't tell people to review, especially in the summary. It seems a bit childish and bossy, honestly.

You can however ask for someone's opinion, preferably before you actually post the story so you can make changes if you feel you should. Getting someone to beta for you is always good - though knowing who to ask is even better.
 

AbyssalDaemon

Well-Known Member
#3
Don't ask people to go easy on you because it's your first story and don't have a fit if when people review after ask them too and you don't like the review.
 

Cornuthaum

Well-Known Member
#4
1.) Fishing for reviews. "I wont post X until I have 123 reviews" is an instant turn-off.

2.) Replying to reviews in newly posted chapters. I know several authors who let it go out of hand badly enough that half of the new chapters were review replies.

3.) Polling for pairings. First off, the readers should be glad that you write anything at all, second, YOU write for YOURSELF, not for them (unless they pay, in which case they can dictate you to write anything they want, and you shall do it with a smile too).
 

SirBino

Well-Known Member
#5
Learn how to spell the names of the characters. There's no excuse not to.
 

Sunhawk

Well-Known Member
#6
SirBino said:
Learn how to spell the names of the characters. There's no excuse not to.
And places. "Nermia" once could be a typo... it being consistantly done is evidence of not just sloppiness, but ignorance.

"Explanatory" style. Very irksome. While monologue/dialogue explanations are common enough in all genres -- particularly to explain features of a fantasy/science fiction world that the reader wouldn't be familiar with -- that's as far down the path as you should go... and TRY to make such dialogue reasonable, please? An experienced veteran of some kind of contest that's a feature of the story (original sport, ect ect) is not going to need an explanation of how to play.

Moreover, if you're writing from an individual's viewpoint (as indicated by the reader being able to read what they're thinking), unless they have the ability to read other characters' minds or have an amazing ability to read body language, STAY OUT OF OTHER CHARACTERS' HEADS! If you must get into another character's head, set up an emotional dialogue where they blurt it out, or filter it through the PoV character -- what they THINK the other character is thinking.
 
#7
This is going to be long, but after years and years of reading fics, I've built up a wealth of opinions that I need to let out. This is as a good a place to do it as any, I suppose. I'm sure some will disagree with some of these, but as I said, these are only opinions.

Therefore, TFF...I present these ten commandments for your inspection (or ten things that happen in fanfiction that really get on my nerves):


I
Thou shalt finish what thou starts


'nuff said. It's just frustrating to no end for fics to just die, leaving all of the plot lines twisting in the wind. Such frustration is often compounded when the author in question starts a new fic and practically abandons the previous one. It's not at all uncommon for authors to have dozens of fics in their name, but only a handful (or none at all!) complete. Not to name names or anything...because you know exactly who you are.


II
Thou shalt not murder the queen's English


or whatever language you happen to be writing in. I'll assume that's English. This means several things: First, grammar and spelling count. If the plot is really good, you might be able to get away with screwing those up, but don't count on it. For the love of all that is holy, keep your tense consistent. Pick one of either present or past and stick with it. On second thought, don't even mess with present tense unless you really know what you're doing. Next, avoid using foreign words in the general dialog and narrative. Things like proper names, titles, honorifics and words and phrases that have no exact English equivalent are OK, but stuff like, "yes," "no," "excuse me," "sorry," "hello," etc...are inexcusable. In certain fics, this could get complicated (i.e. if several characters are multilingual), so use you're best judgment. Rule of thumb: If you can use an English word to convey the same thought, then do it.


III
Thou shalt contemplate the consequences of thy actions


Seriously, plan, plan, plan. Don't just write without a purpose and no idea where the story is going. Only a select few can pull that off, and if you happen to be one of them, you should seriously consider writing professionally. For the rest of you, have a plan, an outline, something to help guide you. If you just go willy nilly into the night, chances are you'll either write yourself into a corner from which there is no escape, or worse, do something that completely and unequivocally derails your story. Plot twists are fun, but they can be extremely volatile if handled poorly. Trust me, I've seen stories that were absolute joys to read go right down the crapper in the span of a paragraph (kind of spectacular, actually...in a train wreck sort of way). Sure, recovery is possible, but by then, you've probably lost most of your readers.


IV
Thou shalt construct chapters of adequate length


Picture this: It's a lazy Sunday afternoon. Looking for something to pass the time, you peruse through your favorite fanfic archive. Finally a story catches you're eye. It seems interesting, the author appears to have a grasp on the English language, and best of all, it's nice and long at over 20 chapters. So you sit back, grab a snack, and jump in, expecting to be entertained for at least a few hours...only to find that each chapter is barely half a page a long...and it takes a grand total of fifteen minutes to get through the whole thing. Now you're bored again, AND you have a half eaten bowl of popcorn that's going to get cold while you search for another fic to read. Please, don't let this happen to your readers. You can reduce the chances of this happening if you actually take the time to plan out your story into appropriately sized pieces (see item III, above).


V
Thou shalt be intimately familiar with relevant canon


Because you can bet that your readers are. They'll notice every continuity error you make. What's that you say? Alternate Universe? Divergence? Doesn't matter. You need to know exactly how you're changing things in order to figure out exactly how those changes effect the universe you're writing in. It makes for a much better story if you do. If it's been awhile (or, if you've never done it at all), read or watch all relevant material available before any major undertaking. I realize that for longer series, this is highly impractical, but a good skimming of the important parts would do a world of good.


VI
Thou shalt be true to thy characters


Obviously, this goes hand in hand with item V. Characters have established personalities. When they do things that violate that personality, it seriously degrades the plot. Note that this also applies to characters of your own creation. Yes, we all want the protagonist to get down on one knee and proclaim his everlasting love for the lead female, but you can't just have him do it right then and there. Such a thing would be highly unsatisfying. You have to set up the scenario and carefully construct the circumstances to where one could honestly believe that that guy could bring himself to do (or say) such a thing. In other words, you need to plan ahead (see item III again).


VII
Thou shalt not cast Mary Sue


If you don't know who Mary Sue is, look her up. Google and Wikipedia are your friends. See to it that she never stains your fanfics. If you're new at writing, it's probably best that you avoid original characters altogether, but if you must, then tread carefully. It may be of use to plan (there's that word again...item III) in advance what specific roles your original characters will have in your story. That way, you can determine their base profiles and personalities before they get out of hand.


VIII
Thou shalt not permit subplots to hijack thy story


All too often, a story will be rolling along nicely, until a certain story arc comes along, or some subplot is introduced. The author takes some time to develop these, as all good authors should, but then something happens. The author spends a little too much time focusing on these subplots, and eventually what was once a subplot or a simple side story becomes the main story, and the original premise (the reason we started reading your fic in the first place) is relegated to the background. Don't let this happen. Plan (item III...starting to see a theme here?) out your plot lines in order to avoid this.


IX
Thou shalt not break into song and dance


This one's a little tough to explain. Fanfiction is a written medium. As such, there are certain things that you can do that you can not do in, say, and animated medium. For example, in a written medium, you can go into great descriptive detail. Animation, however, lacks a narrative, making such endeavors nigh impossible. Instead, you'll have to convey your meaning through visuals, actions, and dialog. Likewise, there are certain things that work in a visual medium (like Anime), that don't work in a written medium, such as background music (song), and sight gags (dance). If you try to insert such elements into your written story, they will fail, because they are meant to stimulate sight and sound, something that is impossible to do in written form. Basically, they wind up being huge distractions that adversely affect the flow of the story. Also, take care with action sequences (especially fight scenes). We want to know what's going on, but don't go into painstaking detail, otherwise you'll wind up slowing the pace of the story down (action sequences are supposed to be fast paced). Tell us the important parts; our imaginations will fill in the rest.


X
Thou shalt not employ inappropriate literary risk


Finally, it should be understood that breaking the rules (even these rules) is OK, provided that you know that you're breaking them, how you're breaking them, why you're breaking them, and it is obvious to the reader why you're breaking them. This is what is known as literary or compositional risk. If you are unfamiliar with the concept or risk, I suggest that you learn it, as it can be a powerful tool in the hands of a skilled author.
 

immolo

Well-Known Member
#8
You should never include a numbered list in a fic or only do it if you absolutely have to.
 

zerohour

Well-Known Member
#9
Don't make promises on when the next chapter is going to be put up. Shit happens, and assuming it doesn't is a recipe for disaster.
 

SotF

Well-Known Member
#10
SirBino said:
Learn how to spell the names of the characters. There's no excuse not to.
There are occasions when it is easily correctable and for other reasons. One example was with Rupert Giles from Buffy, in a few of the early novels there is a misspelling of Guiles which I had used in one of my first fanfics. Unintentional misspellings are the key there.

As for chapter length, while there is nothing wrong with short chapters, making a habit of it is a pain. Try to make them at least an essay type length (Not counting dialog), one or two paragraphs do not cut it.
 

OniGanon

Well-Known Member
#11
As a general rule, I won't even bother to read anything with less than 3k words average per chapter.
 

foesjoe

Well-Known Member
#12
When you write chapter with less than 3k words, am I right to assume that this doesn't apply to one-shots? Because there are quite a few good one-shots with less than 3k words.

On topic: When you write dialogue, do it in direct speech! Dialogue told by indirect speech in a story sucks!
 

Turbanator

Well-Known Member
#13
Typos are common, I love seeing when some has written 'marital arts' in a Ranma story.

A few obvious choices:

- Learn the canon, read the manga, watch the anime, to understand the characters and the plot. Learn their quirks and speech patterns, their good sides, and their bad sides. Do you know for instance that Shampoo refers to herself in the third person, and because of this she gets her subject-verb-object tenses wrong? She also can't use negative forms correctly (eg, Shampoo no want Akane to marry Ranma.)

- Read some fanfics. Good ones too, learn what you're up against, and figure what is required for your story to become good. Read the bad ones, and learn what to avoid. Ignore the fanon as well.

- Have an original idea, the hardest thing out there. 'Ohh, I know! Ranma as a long lost forgotten Sailor Senshi!' or 'Wow, Naruto is cool, he should kill everyone!' are ideas that are plagued with a) shit fics and B) being done to oversaturation. Unless you truly have an original way of going about it, then do so, read some similar stories.

- Why are you writing? This isn't a question of 'because I love writing' or 'I want reviews' etc. Similar to the one above, what little bit of originality are you going to bring to vastly overcrowded genres like Ranma, Naruto, Harry Potter, etc.? This I feel, is a hard one, so I'll illustrate with examples: I wrote my Love Hina Books because there was no Motoko/Keitaro pairing (this was back in the early years of the LH section, in 2001), so that was my reason. I wrote a Kyon/Mikuru because I saw no pairings like that. I wrote a Ranma runs from Nerima because I knew no one did it in the way I did (plot-wise). I wrote a Love Hina zombie crossover (now a Ranma zombie one) because it was unique. The same with my Ranma/Soul Calibur story. In other words, have a reason other than 'it sounds cool'. I'm not going to write my Half Life 2/Ranma story because there's 'no point' to it, other than the nice combination.

- Have a plan in mind. Regarding my Nabiki searches for a missing Ranma one, I knew how it began, the big events during the story, and how it would end. However, the middle parts I made up as I went along, sticking to the facts I had laid out. Don't contradict yourself a chapter later, unless you made it so the characters themselves did this mistake on purpose to pick up on later. Don't just mix everything up and hope it works out in the end.

- Learn to use spelling and grammar checkers. It also wouldn't hurt to use a thesaurus now and then. Punch and kick get boring in fighting stories, use words like strike, hit, impact, smash, crush, etc. I personally try not to repeat common words like 'said', 'looked', walked' etc. more than twice in each chapter. It's difficult, but it shows that you have some command over the English language.

- Learn how to write. Fairly important this, just read some good authors out there, to quickly gauge a style you need. Will you write in first person third person? How will you separate scenes?

Other than these, I agree with the other points people have made, author's notes at the bottom, no replying to reviews (illegal anyway on FF.net), only honourifics in place like -san etc.

As a general rule, I won't even bother to read anything with less than 3k words average per chapter.
Some stories I find work better with smaller chapters, so don't automatically rule them out.
 

Chaos Blade

Well-Known Member
#14
On chapter length, I don't believe this needs to be ironclad, actually most prologues (and epilogues) tend to be small and, sometimes, you will find short chapters (maybe even a few paragraphs in length) in books, but again, this is more related to the planning of the fic (that is to say said paragraphs do not fit either in the chapter prior to them or in the one afterwards and it is something that makes the story) yes, it is an exception, but I've seen it often enough in works of fiction to note it.

On speech patterns of characters, that is not as easy as it sounds, specially in the case of dubbed anime (yep, too many hacks out there) but even in subbed I tend to find poor adaptations or character traits (then again this seems to be endemic of Spanish translators, I tend to detest that breed)

Still it does bring the key point RESEARCH, that is key in most fics, you need to know what you are talking about and this goes beyond continuity.
Not only that you need to have easy access to the info, that means writing a fw documents with the details, for instance characteristic of the characters (or in the case of original) bios and background.

Research can't be stressed enough, you might have an idea, an original one even, but without adequate knowledge of the matter, turning that idea into a story is perhaps impossible.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#15
Personally, I have been turned away by huge chapters for fics I've never read before and/or author's I'm not familiar with.

One can get away with small chapters if it's for a crackfic or if the content is the fic calls for it. For example, a fic where the chapters alternate between points of view for the protagonist and the antagonist.

3k words is a good guideline, but it's better to write until you get to a suitable point in the story. Case in point, chapter 8 of Make Room for Daddy. Yes, I could have continued the chapter with Ryoga fuming, unhappy with what he's heard from Ranma, but I felt that it was a good place to end the chapter.

Same with And That's Terrible and Alcohol: The Cause and Solution to Life's Problems in that after the chapter, you want to read more.

Or at least, that's what I was aiming for.

As I said in the opening post "your mileage may vary."
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#16
Lord Raa said:
Personally, I have been turned away by huge chapters for fics I've never read before and/or author's I'm not familiar with.

One can get away with small chapters if it's for a crackfic or if the content is the fic calls for it. For example, a fic where the chapters alternate between points of view for the protagonist and the antagonist.

3k words is a good guideline, but it's better to write until you get to a suitable point in the story. Case in point, chapter 8 of Make Room for Daddy. Yes, I could have continued the chapter with Ryoga fuming, unhappy with what he's heard from Ranma, but I felt that it was a good place to end the chapter.

Same with And That's Terrible and Alcohol: The Cause and Solution to Life's Problems in that after the chapter, you want to read more.

Or at least, that's what I was aiming for.

As I said in the opening post "your mileage may vary."
Hmmm...

Generally speaking, except Addventure episodes, I like to see at least 8kb text for chapter size, or some 1365 words, I really do not have a maximum, though I've yet to see anyone release them as big as Jeffery Oneshot Wong. I've got two from him in the 2mb range. I read an average of 100kb text an hour unless I'm in a hurry.

For an average, I took a sampling of some 2642 chapters/stories in text format, and totalled their size, then divided by them, I ended up with 27.4kb, or some 4688 words a file.

Some authors are good at short chapter lengths, some really need the length to get their point across.
 

Pridefall

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#17
Hm. Two Faux Pas' that I've noticed:

1. People do not like intensely psychological fiction. It usually goes over most people's heads and has other people scratching their cranium's trying to find all the symbolism in your writing. Same thing with using words more than five syllables long or strange words not used in normal conversation. (Erubesence is not used in normal conversation, for example.)

2. People (from what I've seen) seem to agree that kick-ass fight sequences, in-your-face-badass-characters with devil-may-care attitudes coupled with vastly sexual/polygamous relationships make good; nay, awesome fanfiction. Substituting/failing including that, originality is always key and can make something like Naru/Hina (which most people don't seem to like in the Naruto section), into readable stuff.
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#18
Pridefall said:
1. People do not like intensely psychological fiction. It usually goes over most people's heads and has other people scratching their cranium's trying to find all the symbolism in your writing. Same thing with using words more than five syllables long or strange words not used in normal conversation. (Erubesence is not used in normal conversation, for example.)
I disagree with this one. I must be the minority. I happen to like some stories that delve into the psychology of the characters, and a few series almost require it.

I will admit it is harder for an author to pull it off than base action, but it can be worth it for hooking readers into the story.
 

Pridefall

Well-Known Member
#19
PCHeintz72 said:
Pridefall said:
1. People do not like intensely psychological fiction. It usually goes over most people's heads and has other people scratching their cranium's trying to find all the symbolism in your writing. Same thing with using words more than five syllables long or strange words not used in normal conversation. (Erubesence is not used in normal conversation, for example.)
I disagree with this one. I must be the minority. I happen to like some stories that delve into the psychology of the characters, and a few series almost require it.

I will admit it is harder for an author to pull it off than base action, but it can be worth it for hooking readers into the story.
Well, I am speaking out of experience. I mean, I lost a beta because he ended up disliking how "mental" I made things when I wrote, so...Meh. I don't know. It's just been in my experience here on the forum that readers in the Naruto section that like psychological fics are in the minority.
 

Mick

Well-Known Member
#20
Pridefall said:
PCHeintz72 said:
Pridefall said:
1. People do not like intensely psychological fiction. It usually goes over most people's heads and has other people scratching their cranium's trying to find all the symbolism in your writing. Same thing with using words more than five syllables long or strange words not used in normal conversation. (Erubesence is not used in normal conversation, for example.)
I disagree with this one. I must be the minority. I happen to like some stories that delve into the psychology of the characters, and a few series almost require it.

I will admit it is harder for an author to pull it off than base action, but it can be worth it for hooking readers into the story.
Well, I am speaking out of experience. I mean, I lost a beta because he ended up disliking how "mental" I made things when I wrote, so...Meh. I don't know. It's just been in my experience here on the forum that readers in the Naruto section that like psychological fics are in the minority.
There are also fics that get so far into it that they forget what the story was supposed to be about..drags things on really.

Also add this to the list..

Asking for the spelling of a character's name right in the middle of the character introducing themselves. You should know before you even write the character to begin with.
 

Steel

Well-Known Member
#21
I was that beta. It's not so much psychological, but the style of psychological. It's the same reason I don't watch suspense/thrillers or movies like Cell...not my bailiwick.

Too much of a certain type of psychological? Traditional, maybe? I don't mind psychological that involves building positive self esteem, and crushing your enemies. I just don't like it as a main theme of a story, same with angst.
 

Drawde

Well-Known Member
#22
I always liked the more psychological stories. They're all right, as long as they don't go too far into the higher stuff, and start using words only a psychologist would know. Stories where the main character starts to change themself, or is forced to change, are quite interesting. Even when they're not entirely real-life accurate. Stories like newRanma and Chrysalides, for Ranma 1/2, for example.

So here's another rule for aspiring authors: Everyone's different. Just because one person likes/dislikes your story, doesn't mean it's good/bad. Check with more than one person. Someone may dislike your otherwise good story, just based on the subject matter, or the way it's written. Or someone make like an otherwise bad story just because of one thing.
 

praeceps11

Well-Known Member
#23
I personally like psychology in fanfics. In fact my favorite kinds of fics are those that go deep into the characters' pysche.
 

toraneko

Well-Known Member
#24
Expositions - those long and involved explanations - should mostly be reserved for dialogue, in many cases. Having the characters explain something is more rewarding, to the reader, than having the narrator just hand the audience the information.

However, it's got to make sense for them to explain. The expository dialogue must come at an appropriate time, and the author has to remember that the world (i.e. the story's pacing, and the events happening around the characters) doesn't just get put on Pause while the players talk away.

For example, say there are two characters on the run from a fast-moving horde of monsters. There's no time for the One In The Know to launch an exposition to the Clueless Noob. If it happens then, without being interrupted by something terrible, the author messed up. If the exposition happens after they're safe, then it's okay.

Either way, the author should avoid giving everything away via over-explanation. Part of the enjoyment the audience takes from a story is the suspense, and if all the cards are on the table, the tension just bleeds away and the enjoyment factor drops. Hold information in reserve for the climax, or something.

Now, this rule is also subject to the "literary risk" rule. Some authors can really succeed spectacularly despite breaking this rule - I point out the late, great Douglas Adams in particular, who used abrupt exposition as a tool to improve the impact of the humor in his books. It was actually part of the humor in the Hitchhiker's Guide books that, suddenly and with little to no prompting, a facet of the world would be exposited in great detail. However, very few authors could pull off this level of wit, so Author Beware.
 

BakaNeko

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#25
Is this thread going to be official? I know that I've started to point people here for this.
 
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