Naruto Fangirls

balthanon

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#26
I actually haven't read the manga (so I probably shouldn't have used "end manga" as a reference), I'm mainly working off of the anime that they seem determined to never end. Plus spoilers from various fanfics that give me a fair grasp on how the whole thing ends. :p This would probably be a divergence after the last battle given that.

To be honest, just based on what I have heard of Sasuke post manga (basically wandering off after Sakura is pregnant) doesn't really make me think he is canonically that interested in being a father. That's why I don't necessarily think that he would have as much of a problem as people are making out after all was said and done-- yes, Sakura lied to him about this, but it got him what he wants ultimately and she didn't have bad intentions to start. This isn't necessarily the ultimate betrayal so long as the kids are considered part of the Uchiha clan.

Maybe there was a reaction in the new manga when he finds out about Sarada that disproves that, I wasn't really aware of it if so.

*shrug* I'm kind of putting my own reactions into this honestly-- I'm not a terribly social person, but I still want to pass on my genes some day. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with something like this happening to me. I'd be upset for awhile maybe (and that is a definite maybe, I might not have much reaction at all given that I've thought about it in the past), but I would get over it so long as it wasn't done to try and extort money out of me or something. Sasuke doesn't seem that far off that honestly-- he's about as anti-social as you get but he still has this desire to restore his clan which seems to be this nebulous concept with no concrete plans.
 
#27
I probably shouldn't have used "end manga" as a reference
Yeah.
Frankly, though, I can't see ANY post-Massacre Sasuke not murdering everybody if betrayed on that level.

doesn't really make me think he is canonically that interested in being a father.
He's canonically interested in sacrificing his own personal happiness for Salada's sake. Making sure there weren't other overpowered Chakra Aliens ready to pop-up and kill the world, Salada included, was more important.

You might want to actually read the manga, BTW. It helps knowing the source of the material you're writing.
This isn't necessarily the ultimate betrayal so long as the kids are considered part of the Uchiha clan.
Nope. It's a Super-Ultimate betrayal.
It's not a matter of CLAN but of FAMILY.
 

balthanon

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#28
ankokudaishogun said:
Frankly, though, I can't see ANY post-Massacre Sasuke not murdering everybody if betrayed on that level.
Hmm... based on his actual kill count, I don't know about that. At least in the anime, while he talked a good game, I don't think Sasuke actually killed much of anyone. It does always come back to how much of a betrayal it is though and I think that's just an area that is going to be difficult to reconcile.

ankokudaishogun said:
He's canonically interested in sacrificing his own personal happiness for Salada's sake. Making sure there weren't other overpowered Chakra Aliens ready to pop-up and kill the world, Salada included, was more important.
Sasuke has always had a complicated relationship with happiness. He's pretty much hard wired for angst. That said, I don't see this type of behavior as being impossible in this story either. Self sacrifice in this case may mean that Sasuke recognizes that his children will be in stable, loving homes that are in all likelihood better than he can provide himself. Because I suspect that even Sasuke can recognize by the end of the series that he is damaged. (The atonement trip you mentioned, for instance.)

Which isn't to say he would just accept that this would be better at a word from Naruto or Sakura or anyone else, he'd look into it and validate. But it's entirely possible.

ankokudaishogun said:
You might want to actually read the manga, BTW. It helps knowing the source of the material you're writing.
I've seen all of the anime, so I know the source well enough. (Though that is always a touchy subject.) For the later stuff, I am missing it, but alternate timelines are more than a bit common in fanfiction. I am considering polishing off the series with the manga, haven't gotten around to it yet though.

Nope. It's a Super-Ultimate betrayal.
It's not a matter of CLAN but of FAMILY.
Clan is family though-- well, depending on your interpretation. A clan is largely your extended family, with almost everyone being a cousin of some sort at the least. How closely knit they are will vary drastically from one interpretation to the next or one clan to another-- but the very same thing applies to single families as well.

Family doesn't automatically mean trust, love, and devotion-- it isn't necessarily something to be held up as an ideal. Families have the same weaknesses and differences in strength and degree that any human relationship can and range from broken to perfunctory to close-knit to smothering. I get the feeling I'm approaching from one part of the spectrum and you're coming in from another which accounts for some of the differences we're placing on the values expressed here. (Not our personal experiences with families though I'm sure they have influence, I'm talking about how we're interpreting the concept of family in Naruto.)
 
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