Nasuverse Fate/many fakes

[Prince Charon]

Idea inspired by Fate/strange fake: Just because the Great Grail of Fuyuki was destroyed/dismantled after the Fifth War, doesn't mean everyone is going to give up on seeking the power it can grant. After the war, a number of attempts are made to revive the war, some involving the von Einzberns, some not, and perhaps a few attempts made in the original location, Fuyuki, much to Rin's disgust and offense.

Like Fate/sf, they're mostly (or all) going to be flawed copies, missing and/or distorting some aspects; for example, Servants being summoned into the Masters' bodies, leaving the Masters as passengers, at best, some or all of the Servants being False Servants (that is to say, local wraiths and other spirits taking the forms and approximate powers of fictional characters), or Rider Alexander the Great being summoned with EX rank Independent Action (awesome, but not something his Master would necessarily want - perhaps if that war hadn't been in northern Greece, it wouldn't have happened). Another example that popped into my head is Archer EMIYA being summoned, taking a look at what's going on, and then using Rule Breaker to free himself from his Master, and calling in the Magus Association to kill the people running this War before they can Break the Masquerade or bring the Counter Guardians down on the city from shear carelessness and idiocy.

The 'False Servants' variant could basically allow any crossover of characters that would otherwise make little to no sense in the Nasuverse, as long as you can translate their abilities into something that makes sense as a creation of a false Grail.

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

Alexander with EX Independent Action would be the most awesome thing to ever happen in the history of the world. Screw the Mage's Association, screw the Church, screw the masquerade. The King of Conquerors lives again, and this time, he won't stop till he's got the whole damn world.

The one thing that would make it better would be if he somehow remembered the Fourth War and decides to look his old Master up, see how things turned out for him...and runs into Saber, Shirou, and Rin, if it's after UBW Good.

I also insist that, should EMIYA appear, someone must refer to him as King of Fake?s.

 

[Watashiwa]

Fuck Alexander. King of Conquerors my ass.

Genghis Khan personally conquered an empire four times the size of Alexander's and lived to see his grandchildren. And when he died, rather than fight over the spoils his sons went out and DOUBLED THAT.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Of course, if I remember my history correctly Genghis Khan was hated by pretty much everybody.

 

[Shiakou]

Of course, if I remember my history correctly Genghis Khan was hated by pretty much everybody.

That's cause he stole all the ladies. About four million people today are theorized to be descended from him.

 

[grant]

The heroes from the various Wars get summoned...and not one of them is genderbent. Which is incredibly confusing for both the Servants and their former Masters.

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

You mean none genderbent as in they match up to the legends (like instead of Arturia it actually is Arthur) or none genderbent as in we don't see FemGilgamesh, FemCuChulain, etc.?

 

[zeebee1]

Saber would blame Merlin.

 

[Prince Charon]

Saber would blame Merlin.

Yeah, pretty much.

A thought on the 'all False Servants, don't all fit their Classes well' theme:

Archer J'onn J'onzz, Assassin Bruce Wayne, Berserker Orin, Caster Hal Jordan, Lancer Barry Allen, Rider Diana, and Saber Kal El.

They all have A or higher Luck and Independent Action. You can imagine how well their summoners' intentions go over with them. Of course, not all of their summoners will be evil, so, lets say that the teenager who summoned Assassin becomes the new Robin, and Saber was called by a crusading journalist and her photographer/apprentice, who mostly used their magic to get out of the situations that the journalist's nose for news and passion for justice got them into.

Another version would be summoning the classic Avengers - the guy who summoned Berserker looks at the skinny guy in the lab coat, and immediately decides to activate Mad Enhance.

BAD IDEA!

 

[Prince Charon]

About a year or so after the UBW Good End, Shirou, Rin and Saber are at the Clocktower, and Shirou notices an oddly complex bruise on Saber's lower back. Rin confirms that these are almost certainly Command Seals, making Saber a Master in the next Holy Grail War. This is ridiculous and insane, of course, but perhaps its possible because Saber didn't actually die before becoming a Servant.

In Japan, Matou Sakura and <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_minor_characters_in_the_Fate_series#Sajyou_Ayaka' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sajyou Ayaka</a> discover Command Seals, also in non-standard locations, Ayaka's on her neck, and Sakura's on her right thigh. Other Masters I'm not so clear on, but there's a group that's probably mostly OCs, who stimulated the Grail to start this War, and they're going to cause complications, even if none is chosen as a Master.

All the Servants summoned in this War are False Servants - spirits given the form, memories, and abilities of fictional characters - and all of them have some connection to the Master that is related to names, titles, or other conditions that shouldn't be sufficient to be considered a match, and is in some cases, quite tenuous.

Saber summons Caster (or Saber, or Rider) the <a href='http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaina_Solo' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sword of the Jedi</a>, Sakura summons Assassin Haruno Sakura (post-Time Skip), and Ayaka summons Berserker Negi Springfield, which is nonsensical until you consider that she shares a first name with one of his students. See what I meant by tenuous? Rin is going to pitch a fit.

Another thought that occurred to me is that Hisui and Kohaku summon the Weasley Twins as Servant Prankster (both are pairs of redheaded twins, you see). The girls count as one Master (if one of them uses a Command Seal, the other looses that Seal's twin), and the boys as one Servant. I could see Sacchin perhaps being the Master of Archer <a href='http://hellsing.wikia.com/wiki/Seras_Victoria' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Seras Victoria</a>, both being reluctant vampires in short skirts.

A thought I had on Negi is that one of his Personal Skills is Kidanova: a Charisma-like ability to cause girls to want him, either immediately, or after a Reverse Genji Plan (raising him to be the perfect boyfriend and/or husband). this affects most of the girls, but Sakura's Shirou obsession makes her partly or fully immune (at most, she might want to take him home with her, but to raise him as Rin's boyfriend, so she could have Shirou, without hurting her sister), as would Saber's and Jaina's willpower. Rin's tsundere might make her resistant, and if she catches herself fantasizing about him, I could see her shouting 'Get out of my head!' and from there, jumping to the conclusion that its some kind of mind control. That conclusion would help anyone who believes her to resist, and would make a lot of sense to the guys. Negi, of course, has no clue, but if confronted with the evidence, might come to the conclusion that he's subconsciously manipulating people. After all, he's a genius, he's just inexperienced, and romantically oblivious.

 

[Deathwings]

Jaina Solo should die in a fire. Seriously, fuck the EU after the trilogy.

 

[ThySelf]

Jaina Solo should die in a fire. Seriously, fuck the EU after the trilogy.

Use Zayne Carrick instead.
When I think of a 'true' Jedi, I think of him.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Jaina Solo should die in a fire. Seriously, fuck the EU after the trilogy.

Use Zayne Carrick instead.
When I think of a 'true' Jedi, I think of him.

Kyle Katarn comes to mind when I think of what the ideal Jedi should be like. But I admit, Zayne is pretty badass too.

Oh, and Jaina can die in a fire for all I care as well.

 

[The Eromancer]

Okay I know I haven't read the EU stuff for Star Wars but tell me this, why the hate?

 

[daniel_gudman]

Because rather than come up with something mildly original, or even intelligent, the EU just rehashed the Dad-fell-kid-redeems thing like three different ways.

...

Anyway, you may know I read a lot of science fiction, so it might not surprise you that I've already done the whole "what scifi characters match which class" thing.

Here are my favorites. I suppose there might be better fits, but these are based on what I've personally read, so there's that. Oh and I also tried to match them kinda to the Masters in the 5th, well except for Assassin, who was a kludge (I wanted like Helbent 4 but a short story from the mid-70s isn't really... famous enough).

Assassin: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Atreides' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Paul Atreides</a>
Archer: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Revelation_Space_characters#Nevil_Clavain' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Nevil Clavain</a>
Berserker: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gharlane_of_Eddore_%28fictional_alien%29' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Gharlane (of Eddore)</a>
Caster: <a href='http://www.enotes.com/topic/Pham_Nuwen' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Pham Newen</a>
Lancer: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender_Wiggin' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Andrew "Ender" Wiggin</a>
Saber: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>R Daneel Olivaw</a>
Rider: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Revelation_Space_characters#.22Captain.22_John_Brannigan' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>John Armstrong Brannigan</a> ("Nostalgia for Infinity")

Yes both Archer and Rider are from Revelation Space, but that's because Alastair Reynolds writes awesome space opera, and I started out with "Fate/Revelation Space" where the most important part of the plot was stopping some of the Masters from accidentally drawing the attention of the Galactic Counter Force ("Inhibitors"). Anyway, since Rider has 40 anti-planet class NP, he was retarded strong, but also retarded expensive for a Master to maintain. Plus I thought it was funny to have Sakura summon someone older, more crippled-up, more literally inhuman, and ultimately more terrifying than Zouken.

 

[zeebee1]

Why would Ender be a Lancer?

 

[Prince Charon]

Jaina Solo should die in a fire. Seriously, fuck the EU after the trilogy.

The EU wasn't that bad most of the time, but they went off the deep end during or shortly after the Yuuzhan Vong War. Jaina is one of the few characters that didn't go totally off the rails, most of the time - the less said about her brother, the better, though.

I picked Jaina because she fit the theme that particular False HGW had: the Servant having a connection to the Master by way of names, titles, or other conditions normally insufficient to make sense. Hence Sakura getting Sakura.

 

[Prince Charon]

In a caf? in New York City, a pair of Japanese tourists, accompanied by a Greek woman who fit many a man's 'Hot Librarian' fantasies, were staring in horror at the marks that had just appeared on the young man's hand.

"Command Seals," the tall woman, who's passport identified her as 'Rider Medusa', said, "but not linked to me. Still, I feel like the Grail, or something like it, is here in this city."

"I- I'm going to call Nee-chan, now," said Sakura, going for her cellphone.

"We passed a butcher's shop back there," said Shirou, pointing, "we ought to be able to get enough blood to draw a proper summoning circle. Erm, what kind are we supposed to use, anyway?"

Waiting for Rin to pick up, Sakura answered, "Any kind, or even blood from several species. Ah, Nee-chan, we've run into a bit of a snag, here- no, we aren't in jail!"

As Sakura tried to explain the situation to a worried and frequently interrupting Rin, Shirou paid the bill (good thing the tip was build in, so he didn't forget it), took his wife's unoccupied hand, and lead the group back to the butcher's shop. The transaction was harder than it needed to be, as none of them could remember the Engrish word for 'blood', and the butcher didn't speak Japanese, nor Ancient Greek. Fortunately, Rin could: 'buraado'. That wasn't quite right, but it got the message across.

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Outside the city, in an abandoned farmhouse, a pair of magi, master and apprentice, were casting their own summoning.

"... my oath. I am the one who becomes all the good of the world of the dead, I am the one who lays out all the evil of the world of the dead.

You, seven heavens clad in three words of power, arrive from the ring of deterrence, O keeper of the balance!"

In a flash of light and a puff of smoke, a figure appeared in the circle. As the smoke disappated, they could see red boots and a red cape, blue tights on the legs of an athlete, red trunks with a golden belt, a blue shirt stretched over muscular torso and arms, bearing a distinctive red and gold shield, black hair with that spit-curl, and piercing blue eyes set in a face that made the Master, a seventh generation magus, daughter of a Wizard Marshal, and a journalist who'd spent a year in Afganistan covering the war, feel like a blushing schoolgirl.

"Servant Saber," said the man, looking over the lovely, brown-haired woman, and excited, red-haired and freckled boy, "your names wouldn't happen to be Lois and Jimmy, would they?"

"Ah, no, Lydia Landau," said the woman, pushing an errant strand of hair behind her ear. "I am a reporter, though, as well as a magus. This is my apprentice and photographer."

"Johnny Olcott, sir," the boy answered.

"I'm Superman," he told them, "but then, you knew that. Feels odd to know I'm fictional, but I've had stranger adventures."

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"A cave?" asked Shirou.

"It has the right combination of accessibility, concealment, and low chance of anyone walking in on us," said Rider.

"I didn't know New York had so many bats," said Sakura, looking up to the roof of the cave.

"They're insectivores," said Shirou. "Maybe some fruit bats that escaped from a zoo, but all the ones native to New York are bug-eaters." At Sakura's surprised look, he said "You wanted me to find another interest that had nothing to do with being a hero, and bats are neat."

It didn't take them long to draw the circle, and then, for the first time, Shirou recited the words of the summoning. The result was not at all what they'd been expecting. For one thing, Arturia was a lot shorter than that.

What appeared in the circle was a figure of shadow, topped by a cowl with pointed ears. "Servant... Assassin," he said with disgust.

"B-Batoman?!" Shirou and Sakura shouted, shocked.
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In case anyone couldn't guess, this is post some version of HF True End. Rin is at the Clocktower, and I'm going to declare that for this universe, most or all instruction their is in Latin, which is why her English is still at the 'funny foreigner' level. Shirou has Rule Breaker in his arsenal, so killing is likely to be fairly unnecessary. Given Archer's ability to turn a sword into an arrow, it may be possible for Shirou to reshape Rule Breaker into a batarang, even though he had less contact with Archer, here (or, maybe it's an AU of HF, where he had more contact with Archer). This may or may not be a version where Rin has Saber or Saber Alter.

Thought of several places it could go from here:

The rest of the JLA, or some version thereof, are summoned (in which case, the War is likely to be rather short and odd - one version of that had Sakura also getting Command Seals, and summoning another female, Greek, Rider: Wonder Woman). In the same vein, the JSA are summoned. Either way, if they stay in the World, the conflict is likely to be Superheroes vs the Mages Association.

Only two or three heroes are summoned, the rest being villains, like the Joker or Solomon Grundy as Berserker, or Felix Faust as Caster.

Its all fictional characters, but not all from the DCU. Perhaps a Marvel crossover, with Bruce Banner as Berserker.