Nasuverse Fate/phoenix burning

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#1
Imagine a Shirou who was healed without Avalon, and whose Origin is Fire, which is most likely his element, as well. He still develops a Reality Marble, but it looks like an eternal conflagration. The Great Fire of Fuyuki still burns in his soul

He was saved from the Great Fire by a minor magus, a mere <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Magic_Spells#Formalcraft' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>formalcraft</a> user with less than twenty magic circuits. The one who saved him nearly exhausted himself keeping the boy alive long enough to reach a hospital, but it was enough. Shirou was saved, and the person who saved him, adopted him.

I've been considering the idea that the person who saved him might have been a relative of <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Sajyou_Ayaka' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sajyou Ayaka</a>, perhaps her father, and did not so much formally adopt him as become his guardian, with the hope of arranging a marriage to her. That requires knowing that Shirou has more magic circuits than one would expect, though. If the magus does find out, there's still an issue he hadn't considered: Shirou thinks of Ayaka as his sister, not a potential wife. Maybe they should have explained things when he was brought home.

Was also thinking that the magus, whether a Sajyou or not, was an employee of the Fujimura clan. A man who joined the yakuza to help his community, and sees it as a true chivalrous organization, not the group of violent thugs many outsiders and police consider it to be. Of course, Raiga certainly encourages that belief. This Shirou could still wish to be a Champion of Justice, but would have a different (though clearer) idea of how to go about it.

Shirou's training in formalcrft goes well enough, but he lacks canon-Shirou's talent for Projection, and thus, has to use real things as sacrifices, rather than Tracing them. His true talent lies in Fire, both its its destructive and creative aspects, and while he can use formalcraft to convert it to other elements when he has time, any magic used in a hurry (like, say, combat), without a Mystic Code or Conceptual Weapon, is going to be Fire-based. I'm not sure how good formalcraft is at creating Mystic Codes, as the wiki doesn't say, but as Shirou is capable of using Fire's creative aspect, he should be able to forge Mystic Codes, but would have difficulty crafting any that did not involve Fire in their creation. Conceptual Weapons are probably right out, though he might have a small chance of obtaining one through other means.

I do not have an Aria for his Reality Marble, though I do have a possible name for it: Birth of the Phoenix. It might start with something like 'I am the <blank> of my <blank>', as that's sort of a theme with alternate Shirou's RMs. 'Fire is my blood' can probably be kept, also, as it fits so well.

One may wonder what happened to Emiya Kiritsugu, that he was not there to save Shirou. Perhaps he found someone else to save, but that involves either creating a new character, or changing the story of an existing one.

Perhaps Kiritsugu found no-one to save, in which case his future might go along the lines depicted in <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7331568/1/Tainted_Ideals' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Tainted Ideals</a>, which I probably shouldn't spoil by explaining. There are two possibilities: either he makes it there alive, or he doesn't, and that's going to strongly affect how Saber's Master behaves.

Its also quite possible that he dies in the fire, and Avalon is either lost, or found by someone else, who will most likely be Saber Arturia's Master in the Fifth Heaven's Feel. Having that person be Shirou is out, as that strains SoD too far. Rin, perhaps? Maybe she found it during the time before the Fifth, or maybe Kotomine found it, and thought it would be amusing to give it to her. Maybe Ayaka or Sakura has it, and angsts over having to fight Shirou and/or Rin. Maybe Mitsuzuri Ayako has it, and is even less prepared for Saber's arrival than canon Shirou was. Maybe its hanging in the Ryuudouji Temple, and Caster uses it to summon Saber (don't think I've ever seen that done).

Maybe it stays lost until the War begins, or isn't in the story at all, so the Saber of the Fifth War is not Arturia.

I tried to come up with a good Servant for this Shirou, and my mind wandered to <a href='http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Azula' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Azula</a>, and from there, to this odd idea: Avatar: the Last Airbender, the cartoon, is in this version of the Nasuverse, a distorted account of events that took place in pre-Imperial China, Korea, and Japan, during the <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Age_of_Gods' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Age of Gods</a>. Caster (or Berserker) Azula is pretty much the person she was in canon (maybe more sane, maybe less), and might have the ability to summon other spirits attached to her Legend - or not, considering that they abandoned her at the end. Depends on how close the end of the series is to what 'really' happened in the Nasuverse, and whether they got close to her again, after. Using Azula saves the trouble of creating an entirely new character, but if there's a canon Nasuverse character that would fit, the author is certainly free to use them.

There's <a href='http://nrvnqsr.us.to/showthread.php/1038-Fate-phoenix-burning-an-Open-Idea' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>a thread for this on Beast's Layer</a>, but you might want to skip most of the first four pages, there.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#2
Personally... it sounds to me like the most important part of this is "waking Shirou to his Origin."

Well, there's one guy that's really good at that: <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Araya_Souren' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Araya Souren.</a>
that article said:
Originally a wandering monk hailing from Tamil Buddhism, his inability to save the lives of so many gave way to depression.
So he's already looking like a prototype for Kiritsugu in some ways.

KnK takes place over like 95-99... and Souren's bit is set November 98, I think. So Shirou's conflagration experience, in the winter of 93 or 94... would probably give him a few years with this mentor, just like his time with Kiritsugu. Souren's skill with bounded fields is already super-high with near-RM effects, so there's that going for it, too.

I dunno what would happen to him after Souren got outed as some kind of psychopath. He gets picked up by Touko or sommat? I dunno. Probably I'd ship him back to Fuyuki or whatever so he could still jump the BAR on time. Lessee... well, Souren was a monk, so I guess Ryoudoji taking him in would make sense.

As for Servants...

Well, Joan of Arc was burned at the stake.

Of course, if he does live at the temple, that puts him smack in the middle of Caster's shenanigans.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#3
Needing a bit of help with the aria. We've got most of it, thanks to various people in <a href='http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1038-Fate-phoenix-burning-an-Open-Idea' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>the thread on Beast's Lair</a>, but there's one line that needs replacing, since it kind of weakens the end, and I can't just drop that one since its supposed to be a ten-count aria. The bolded line is the one I'm referring to, but the replacement line needn't be in that exact location:

I am the remains of a tragedy
An ever burning monument to the past
My flesh is coal and my breath is ash
I have reached forth and consumed everything
Like a phoenix rising out of hell
Yet I have never been fulfilled
Still I consume all that I touch, give life to all that I can
So that the tragedy will never repeat itself
This is my path, to bring about
The Birth of the Phoenix!
 

Inaba

Well-Known Member
#4
After reading through the thread on Beast's Liar, my opinion is that there is no canon or even semi-canon heroes that can be easily matched to this Shirou without deciding on a specific personality for him. I don't think attempting to shoehorn in a hero with fire themes will work largely because there aren't all that many so strongly associated with the element and I think a match based on mutual personality characteristics is more interesting.

Having said that, I think creating an OC would be the best solution. For example, if this Shirou is someone who has emerged from a tragedy but remains hopeful for a better future, Aeneas in his legendary role as the forefather of the Romans would be an excellent basis to build off of.

I got nothing for the chant though, largely because I'm not sure what the requirements are. Is there a syllable limit or something that should be followed, or will any phrase do so long as it matches the chant's overall themes?
 

Prince Charon

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#5
Inaba said:
After reading through the thread on Beast's Liar, my opinion is that there is no canon or even semi-canon heroes that can be easily matched to this Shirou without deciding on a specific personality for him. I don't think attempting to shoehorn in a hero with fire themes will work largely because there aren't all that many so strongly associated with the element and I think a match based on mutual personality characteristics is more interesting.
His personality is reasonably similar to the one he developed in canon, but with a clearer idea of how he'll be a hero - he's rather pro-Yakuza, but that's partly because the Fujimura-gumi are nicer than most Yakuza groups, and certainly less evil than the Mage's Association... not that that's saying much, but they're very big on the 'chivalrous organization' thing.

Inaba said:
I got nothing for the chant though, largely because I'm not sure what the requirements are. Is there a syllable limit or something that should be followed, or will any phrase do so long as it matches the chant's overall themes?
Needs to match the overall themes, and should not be longer than the current longest line - preferably, it should be shorter.
 

Inaba

Well-Known Member
#6
His personality is reasonably similar to the one he developed in canon, but with a clearer idea of how he'll be a hero - he's rather pro-Yakuza, but that's partly because the Fujimura-gumi are nicer than most Yakuza groups, and certainly less evil than the Mage's Association... not that that's saying much, but they're very big on the 'chivalrous organization' thing.
What is that path - what does this Shirou understand to be a hero and how will he become one? For example, Kiritsugu's ideal was utilitarian - sacrifice one for the sake of the many - does this Shirou believe in the same and if not, how does he differ? Are there acts that he will not do even if they produce an objectively better outcome for a larger group of people? Is he someone who focuses on acting in accordance with virtue and uses that to guide his individual actions?

For that matter, what do you mean by Fujimura's group being a 'chivalrous organization'? I understand that you are referring to the code of honor that is associated with such organizations, but I'm not familiar enough with Japanese society for that to be useful and the word 'chivalrous' is too strongly associated with the Western European knightly ideal. More importantly, how does the code of the Fujimura group influence this Shirou? And how does Shirou reconcile the nature of their activities with his . . . trust/intimacy/acquaintance with them?

EDIT: I forgot to mention - how does this Shirou's heroic ideal tie in with the phoenix and fire imagery? Is he the fire that burns old dead growth so that new things may spring up in his wake? Is he enduring hope, faith that the new day will come again?

Needs to match the overall themes, and should not be longer than the current longest line - preferably, it should be shorter.
Instead of simply replacing the bolded line, I'd recommend rewriting the one before it in order to place the bit about consuming everything right before the bit about not being fulfilled. It makes for a tighter message, though I'm not too sure what to pad out the fourth line with instead.
 

The Eromancer

Well-Known Member
#7
Prince Charon said:
Needing a bit of help with the aria. We've got most of it, thanks to various people in <a href='http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1038-Fate-phoenix-burning-an-Open-Idea' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>the thread on Beast's Lair</a>, but there's one line that needs replacing, since it kind of weakens the end, and I can't just drop that one since its supposed to be a ten-count aria. The bolded line is the one I'm referring to, but the replacement line needn't be in that exact location:

I am the remains of a tragedy
An ever burning monument to the past
My flesh is coal and my breath is ash
I have reached forth and consumed everything
Like a phoenix rising out of hell
Yet I have never been fulfilled
Still I consume all that I touch, give life to all that I can
So that the tragedy will never repeat itself
This is my path, to bring about
The Birth of the Phoenix!
the "consumed everything" when I read it aloud sounds... meh.

Now "consumed all" sounds a bit more poetic

I am the remains of a tragedy
An ever burning monument to the past
My flesh is coal and my breath is ash

I have walked through fire and death
Made unto myself the consuming flame

Yet I have never been fulfilled
Still I consume all that I touch, give life to all that I can
So that the tragedy will never repeat itself
This is my path, to bring about
The Birth of the Phoenix!
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#8
Thank you! :yay:

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs8FEsDUZ4' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>BGM On</a>

Shirou:
I am the remains of a tragedy
An ever burning monument to the past
My flesh is coal and my breath is ash
I have walked through fire and death
Made unto myself the consuming flame
Yet I have never been fulfilled
Still I consume all that I touch, give life to all that I can
So that the tragedy will never repeat itself
This is my path, to bring about
The Birth of the Phoenix!

Gilgamesh:
What...?!

Shirou:
The blazing sun that never sets
Can you survive this inferno, King of Heroes?


(Shirou's new post-aria taunt, and parts of the aria, by reborn214 on BL.)
 

The Eromancer

Well-Known Member
#9
I knew I had to get at least some stuff right every once in a while :lol:
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#10
Have been thinking about Ayaka. Not being so utterly oblivious as Shirou is, she easily recognizes that two other girls fell in love with him, when they saw him going for the BAR. Worse, they're both from important, powerful, old, wealthy mage families. Worst of all, she can't bring herself to hate either of them, as both are orphans with no female role-model, being raised by men she finds massively creepy. Mind you, she guessed wrong about which of her rivals is a virgin, but that's because Shinji managed to make a good impression on her, and she can't imagine her back-up crush (if she completely and absolutely fails with Shirou, refreshing the Matou line doesn't sound so bad to her) putting up with someone treating his sister like that. If she ever finds out the truth, well, hell hath no fury.

Anyway, some time before the Fifth Holy Grail War, she approaches Rin and Sakura, separately, and asks each something like 'If you marry Shirou, will you accept me as his mistress?', with the idea that she'll push Shirou toward the girl who says yes (well, she will, unless she manages to win Shirou, herself). Not entirely certain how they'll respond. On one hand, Sakura is both far to nice and lacking in self-esteem, and Rin appears to be bisexual, but on the other, Rin is a tsundere, and the thought of marrying Shirou-sempai is likely to send Sakura to her happy place (neither of which facilitates communication, you see).

Mind you, just because Ayaka asks, doesn't mean either on will agree. They might, but how healthy a relationship would it be? (EDIT: The point of her asking is to show how much she wants him.)

On another note, I've been trying to work out what The Birth of the Phoenix actually is, and so have people on BL.

[quote="Vanathor on Beast']Endless inferno does not really strike the "cool" factor in me... Especially when you consider how damage resistant Servants are. How about you touch onto the other aspects of the phoenix...

The traditional cycle of life, death and rebirth. Interestingly in Alchemy it is used to represent the Philosophers Stone. Maybe within the reality marble, the law of equivalent exchange can be broken? IE creating something from nothing. That can get pretty interesting.[/quote]
That's the most interesting suggestion, so far, but I'm not sure how or how well that would work in the story.
 

The Eromancer

Well-Known Member
#11
bah as to what the Birth of the phoenix is I think it should still heavily deal with fire. a fire hot enough that even dragons can get burned by it to say nothing of servants. Like a magical variant of Thermite or White phosphorus
 

Inaba

Well-Known Member
#12
I'd recommend playing up the rebirth/resurrection angle - perhaps the fire burns away impurities and leaves behind only clean and healthy things. For example, if Shirou summons the reality marble in a radioactive wasteland, the marble would reduce pretty much everything in that area to ash but also cleanse the poison in the soil once it recedes. Similarly, this effect also affect people and objects in the same manner, though surviving the flames is an entirely different matter.

Similarly, perhaps the flame constitutes a sustained and unavoidable attack against all things within the reality marble, a constant grinding away at the enemy rather than one spectacular blast. Perhaps the flames burn hotter and fiercer when the object is considered 'impure', perhaps with the definition being that which is most inimical to Shirou's heroic ideal. Also, I'd find it interesting if Shirou can actually hurt himself with his own reality marble if he ever strays into its definition of impure.

Having said that, I just went through a summary of Karna's life and God damn, a Shirou and Karna team-up would be ridiculously awesome.
 

MinusMagnus

Well-Known Member
#14
Take a page from canon Shirou's book and make him some kind of copycat as far as fire-related things go. Being able to replicate any kind of phenomenom that his mind can understand as long as it is related to fire.

Now that can sound lame as far abilities go, untill Shirou mention that his healing is a side-efect of his failed atempts to replicate whatever caused the fire of Fuyuki a few years before.

On the worst case scenarion you get the EMIYA equivalent throwing around baseball-sized stars, not dying when killed and using what is considered a certain species of overgrown lizards' signature move.
 

Tbora

Well-Known Member
#15
This was just posted on BL -

Vanathor;415288 said:
Off the cuff...
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The command seal took hold, and Saber's holy blade struck the tainted grail true. The spirit within the omnipotent chalice cried out in anguish as its vessel was shattered and the Once And Future King dissipated with nothing to bind her to the mortal plain of existence. Thus the fourth grail war ended, its champion forsaking he prize without a second glance.

All that remained as a testament to the meaningless bloodshed was Fire. A great and terrible Fire. A burning inferno that would leave little but ash and cinders once it was eventually quelled.

In the Fire a child walked through the blazing holocaust, the soles of his feet blistered and scorched. He briefly considered laying down to take nap and wait for sleep to make the pain go away but just as quickly dismissed the thought. If he had to sleep, it would be when he could not take a single step further.

His mother and father had already gone to sleep, but the boy hadn't. Not yet. He should have felt worse then he did, even with the pain. He loved his parents he really did, but giving up would not bring them back.

Through the Fire he walked, ignoring the cries for help from the ones who already fallen, his breath laboring with every step. 'Just one more step' the boy thought 'Just one more step'?

And so took his one more step.

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Sajyou Nakamura moved through the streets of Fuyuki, his brisk stride that of a man with a purpose. He was glad that his foresight had been great enough that his decision to have his wife and daughter leave the city for the duration of the Heaven's Feel Ritual was a wise one. At the very least they would be safe if nothing else.

He did not feel the effects of the heat, his admittedly minor talent for magecraft granting him that small blessing. Having been a resident of Fuyuki City for more then a decade he knew he would be approaching the city limits soon, and so long as the Fire had not spread further then that he would be safe.

As the magus neared his destination he saw something which struck a cord within his heart. A young boy crawling further, his feet having given out on him but even still striving to survive. As he looked on him something not immediately apparent became clear. Nakamura's sixth sense has always been particularly sharp compared to the vast majority of mages, strong enough that he could "see" things not normally apparent to the average magecraft user.

It was only because of this that Nakamura was able to sense something different about the nameless child. He had a destiny in his future, should he survive. He would be one of the few to become truly Great given time. But with his survival no means certain the winds of fate were in flux, and his destiny was far from assured.

Nakamura made a decision. Walking up to the red haired boy, he quickly examined him for injury. The child was as gravely hurt as he thought, and only quick intervention would grant salvation. Reaching into his pocket, he took out two objects, a piece of chalk, and a jewel. Hurriedly he drew arcane symbols, and the required ritual circle, and flared his prana through the jewel.

The energy held within the semi-precious gem resonated to its creators will, and it so dispersed. Flooding the circle, it followed the symbols, the energy channeling into the child, healing him. The gem was not strong enough to bring total recovery but it took care of the worst of the wounds. It would buy enough time for more complete medical treatment. This much done, unless something gone horribly awry the boy would live.

Picking up the now unconscious the younger one of the pair, Nakamura walked on.

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Here it is, not much but just how I picture the first scene. Not sure if I will write more then this, so feel free to take it and continue it at will...
Oh and just to clarify, Nakamura is just a name I picked randomly, if Ayaka's father has a canon name please let me know so I can edit.
And here is a suggestion also on BL that was given for his reality marble.

Vanathor;413771 said:
Sounds like a really cool idea. A self perpetuating Ritual Circle (which is a multipurpose tool all its own.) that consumes everything inside and out it (akin to Rider's Bloodfort or that one magus-killer plant in Tainted Ideals but even more so.). It can use of a lot of Epic Magic inside of it, while also making Servants severely weakened, and Maguses outright dead in minutes from prana drain. And that is not even considering the endless inferno aspect. Sounds pretty reality breaking hax enough for me.
 

Cherry_lover

Well-Known Member
#16
Inaba said:
I'd recommend playing up the rebirth/resurrection angle - perhaps the fire burns away impurities and leaves behind only clean and healthy things. For example, if Shirou summons the reality marble in a radioactive wasteland, the marble would reduce pretty much everything in that area to ash but also cleanse the poison in the soil once it recedes. Similarly, this effect also affect people and objects in the same manner, though surviving the flames is an entirely different matter.

Similarly, perhaps the flame constitutes a sustained and unavoidable attack against all things within the reality marble, a constant grinding away at the enemy rather than one spectacular blast. Perhaps the flames burn hotter and fiercer when the object is considered 'impure', perhaps with the definition being that which is most inimical to Shirou's heroic ideal. Also, I'd find it interesting if Shirou can actually hurt himself with his own reality marble if he ever strays into its definition of impure.
Well, if that is the case, it'd be interesting to put an infested Sakura in there (I assume Shirou would not wish to harm her) and see what it does to Zouken and the worms inside her....
 

Inaba

Well-Known Member
#17
Cherry_lover said:
Well, if that is the case, it'd be interesting to put an infested Sakura in there (I assume Shirou would not wish to harm her) and see what it does to Zouken and the worms inside her....
It depends on the definition of 'impure' used by the reality marble in question. I don't recall Sakura's circumstances in perfect detail and I do not believe that she can be considered impure under any definition that I find tolerable, but there are definitions of 'impure' that would include her for outcomes not of her choosing. Not that this matters since the reality marble is likely based on Shirou's conscious and/or subconscious ideals and it's doubtful that a canonical or even semi-canonical Shirou(s) would consider Sakura 'impure'.

Most probable outcome? Since the reality marble judges all those caught inside its range according to their faults, Zouken burns and crumbles to nothingness, the worms burn and crumbles to nothingness, and Sakura maybe receives a very, very mild sunburn. I'm not too sure what condition Sakura would be left in once the reality marble recedes, since I don't remember how entangled the worms were with her system and I intended for the reality marble to open up the possibility of healing rather than doing the healing by itself.

Think of it as being similar to chemotherapy.
 

Cherry_lover

Well-Known Member
#18
Inaba said:
It depends on the definition of 'impure' used by the reality marble in question. I don't recall Sakura's circumstances in perfect detail and I do not believe that she can be considered impure under any definition that I find tolerable, but there are definitions of 'impure' that would include her for outcomes not of her choosing. Not that this matters since the reality marble is likely based on Shirou's conscious and/or subconscious ideals and it's doubtful that a canonical or even semi-canonical Shirou(s) would consider Sakura 'impure'.
Yeah, that was pretty much my thinking. Whilst there are perhaps metrics under which Sakura might be judged "impure", none of them are likely to be adhered to by Shirou, or for that matter any other reasonable person.

Most probable outcome? Since the reality marble judges all those caught inside its range according to their faults, Zouken burns and crumbles to nothingness, the worms burn and crumbles to nothingness, and Sakura maybe receives a very, very mild sunburn.
Yeah, that figures. Sakura might get a little burnt (because no-one is perfect), but she would be a lot less heavily-affected than Zouken would be.

I'm not too sure what condition Sakura would be left in once the reality marble recedes, since I don't remember how entangled the worms were with her system and I intended for the reality marble to open up the possibility of healing rather than doing the healing by itself.

Think of it as being similar to chemotherapy.
Hmm, yeah, that is a possible issue. I think that removing the worms by magical means probably should leave Sakura without any serious harm, but I'm not 100% sure that that is the case. Zouken certainly managed it, but then he was a spiritual healer.
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#19
Well, he studied formalcraft, and so would be able to perform healing techniques fairly easily in BotP (if I'm understanding it correctly), so I'd say she'd come out of it fairly well, as would Saber, Rin, and Medusa (given that Nasuverse Medusa is a pretty nice girl, really). Medea is less likely to do so well, but that depends on what version of her legend is used. It would be terribly unhealthy for Kotomine or Shinji, but the threat to Gil would, I think, come from Shirou using it to fight him, rather than from BotP, directly.

I find myself unsure how such a Reality Marble would treat Ilya.
 

Cherry_lover

Well-Known Member
#20
Prince Charon said:
Well, he studied formalcraft, and so would be able to perform healing techniques fairly easily in BotP (if I'm understanding it correctly), so I'd say she'd come out of it fairly well, as would Saber, Rin, and Medusa (given that Nasuverse Medusa is a pretty nice girl, really). Medea is less likely to do so well, but that depends on what version of her legend is used. It would be terribly unhealthy for Kotomine or Shinji, but the threat to Gil would, I think, come from Shirou using it to fight him, rather than from BotP, directly.

I find myself unsure how such a Reality Marble would treat Ilya.
Well, Saber would certainly come out of it pretty well, I'd imagine, although she does have some impurity in her. Rin would probably get a bit scorched, but she would certainly survive. Medusa I'm not so sure about, because whilst she can be very kind and caring, she is quite happy to kill innocent people, and even drinks blood post-HF despite having no real need to. It depends on how harsh Shirou's "judgement" is.

Medea would probably be screwed, although she is a servant, so she might be alright. Shinji would almost certainly die, because he is not a magus (so even a small amount of damage would be fatal) and he's certainly not nice.

Ilya is an interesting case. IMO she'd probably be OK, because she's reasonably "pure". She's not nice, by any stretch of the imagination, but she's not so much "evil" as she is totally unaware of the concept of morality. I doubt Shirou is the sort of person to judge her in that way.
 

Inaba

Well-Known Member
#21
Not enough information to tell - an author can pretty much adjust the standards that the reality marble uses in judgement to custom-fit it for whatever is needed for the story that he or she wants to be told. Perhaps the reality marble is not so much correcting errors as it is karmic retribution - burning individuals based on the outcomes of their action rather than their personal character. Or perhaps the reality marble burns away thoughts and memories as it does meat and bone - starting at those memories and behaviors that transgress most against its code. Perhaps it burns away at an alcoholic's anger and shame before moving onto his or her lesser transgressions, until that person is a pure existence - an amnesiac blank slate awaiting the world's calligraphy.

Personally, I'd find it horribly amusing if the reality marble had outcome-based standards such that it burnt say, Arturia harsher than say, Medusa because the former has a significantly higher kill count due to her life as a successful warlord. It wouldn't fit canon or semi-canon Shirou very well considering that his nature is kind and pretty forgiving in most paths, but who's to say that the reality marble needs to be set in stone throughout the course of the story?

MoS!Shirou plus this reality marble would not be a pretty sight.
 

Prince Charon

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#22
Mind of Steel Shirou in general is a disturbing person.
 

Inaba

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#23
Eh, Shirou in general is a disturbing person . . . which I suppose might make MoS!Shirou a super-duper disturbing person or something.
 
#24
for me Sakura being impure would refer to the worms that forcefully inhabit her body, no more, not less and her being subject to forcefull 'purifycation' via RM made of fire would eventually mean that she gets free from Zoken. and get some mild burns (tiugh you would want for her to see a medic to check the damage done by the de-infestation and plague control and if she needs to visit Rehab or not.)
 

zeebee1

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#25
Whether or not the worms had any benefit doesn't really matter. her body is likely used to them, so the sudden loss would be harmful. It would probably be like an addict going cold turkey.
 
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