Nasuverse Fate/Revelation Alternative

#1
Hey guys. I've been reading the FRO again recently, and I'm just having this urge to write again. And so a spin-off idea came to mind, sort of fanfanfiction on FRO.

Basically, the idea came from replacing Ilya with Rin, and thinking:
a ) how that would go, and more importantly
b ) how it could happen in any remotely possible way.

So after discarding dozen ideas that were all out-of-character for FSN cast, the only way I found was to introduce a third character. A certain subject of the king of Conquerors.


It goes like this:

Before her body gave up, Ilya sucessfully got her hands on the beta version of SAO. But the official release became delayed due to certain... techincal difficulties.

During that time Rin travels abroad in an attempt to warm her way into the Clocktower, and after much political struggling finds a man who would grant her proper recommendations.

Of course nothing in life is simple, especially when the man you try to cajole is the very lord El-Molloi II, and you are, to put it blantly, and in his own words a "the worst Japanese in the world".

And thus, gritting her teeth, and cursing inside of her head, Rin offers him a chance to play the most awaited game of the decade. And of course is promptly, while kicking screaming and trashing, draggen along for the ride.

And Shirou? Well Shirou was never one that could fight an argument of the sort "If I'm gonna get dragged into this farce, you better well be there as well.

So, what do you think of this as a premise?

Kayaba Akihito is very similar to the one portrayed in FRO, and I have my ideas as to how to make him different enough not to be a rip-off. And a world he designs is similar to the one we all know and love.

But there are a couple of problems that I just cannot get around.

1) Rin. She would be overpowered. And I mean seriously overpowered. Even without her gems, she is one of the most brilliant magi of her generation, ( and due to certain sources the whole history of MA). And contrary to Ilya she is not one to just play along. She is competitive and willfull, and I have a hard time to find a reason for her not blow the secret inside of the first few days. And even if I could find a way to work with that (which I am contemplaiting), the problem is, she still is overpowered enough to drag Shirou and run over the first ten bosses by themselves.

I was contemplating just leaving her out of it after all, but Shirou and Waver do not know each other, and it seems an awkward setting.

2) How would Waver Velvet react to Kayabas plan. (for that matter how would Rin react?) He doesnt strike me as a guy who is wholeheartedly behind the idea of Masquarade. I can imagine him acting in a few ways, and would like to see what you guys think.

3) And of course there is also the premise. Where does the other two nerve-gears come from. Are Rin and Waver playing from England, or would they come to Japan (Waver hates Japan so that option would be off probably). What of the MA, they would notice if one of their best lecturers was abducted. That can be delayed, of course by Waver taking a loong holidays to "travel and further his reasearch", but there is a time limit after which they would start looking for him.

Well, It's just an idea thats trashing inside my head, and trying to get out. Any comments and loose discussion are welcome.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#3
Lessee...

1) Rin is the "Heroine"
In that case, why not go post-UBW route?

...If it was an UBW-route, then I would consider having a subplot with Shinji investigating the situation on the outside, as much for Sakura's sake as theirs. A redemption subplot for him, kind of.


2) Waver Velvet in the backstory
Rather than having him actually in the game, how about this?
He said something like "sure I could accept you as my student, but only based on the quality of your 5,000-word essay, 'Baby's first videogame', okay?"
And then Rin grits her teeth and is like, "Challenge fucking accepted."

And then when she gets back to Japan, after hypnotizing the clerk or whatever, she got two game units and is like "Shirou, we're totally doing this."

So, in that case, it's not like Waver would be participating himself exactly, but at the same time, if Rin told him about her plans, then he would know she was one of the "hostages" in the game.


3) Rin is OP?
Well... in terms of battle power, without Gems or her Gandr, she's not really anything special, and Gems are a pretty expensive way to fight.

It's everything else that makes her comparatively OP. Making familiars, laying bounded fields, analyzing traits, basic and advanced knowledge... it's not so much that she could win the Boss fight as much as, she could whip out a dowsing rod as soon as they got to the floor and be like "the Boss is over there."

Of course, knowing that Waver will (hopefully!) investigate is a reason to keep her head down...?


4) Biggest deal
Well, Rin being a member of the Masquerade in a way that Shirou (or Ilya!) aren't, that is, someone who "believes" in it, is a central plot point to deal with.
 
#4
daniel_gudman said:
3) Rin is OP?
Well... in terms of battle power, without Gems or her Gandr, she's not really anything special, and Gems are a pretty expensive way to fight.

It's everything else that makes her comparatively OP. Making familiars, laying bounded fields, analyzing traits, basic and advanced knowledge... it's not so much that she could win the Boss fight as much as, she could whip out a dowsing rod as soon as they got to the floor and be like "the Boss is over there."

Of course, knowing that Waver will (hopefully!) investigate is a reason to keep her head down...?


4) Biggest deal
Well, Rin being a member of the Masquerade in a way that Shirou (or Ilya!) aren't, that is, someone who "believes" in it, is a central plot point to deal with.
I don't think she would be lacking in firepower even without her gems. True the gems made her really powerfull, but she used them to fight with some success with heroic spirits. And lets face it, whatever challenge the bosses present, it is not even a fragment of her power. Also, whe wouldn't she have gandr?

Anyway, those are kind of moot points, as those other qualities disqualify her as a heroine. She can be better utilised on the outside. And that unfortunately disqualifies Shiro?

Or not. Would it be possible he enter the game from outside after the release? It could work as a plot, but I have trouble imagining a way for him to actually do that, even with structural grasp bordering true magic... Anyone has an idea?

So I'm starting to think more and more about Waver as an actual central character. It's a role he could positive shine in.

So who else? Yeah, forget about the story setting, who would you guys like to see in FRO setting, who could shine? Lets break away from the 'cannon' of FRO and get a little crazy. I'm not the most imaginative kind of guy but I can wave a story once I have a setting. So what other FSN characters could end up in FRO, and why? Or maybe the characters from Alfheim arc?
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
#5
Wandering Airhead said:
Also, why wouldn't she have gandr?
Well, if Kayaba's "soul scan" wasn't able to reproduce Crests, she wouldn't have it. Using Grimlock as an example, we know it can, though, so she probably would have it.

No, the real question is, "would she be willing to use her Crest in front of Muggles?"
 
#6
daniel_gudman said:
1) Rin is the "Heroine"
In that case, why not go post-UBW route?
It would have to be the True End rather than the Good End, unless Rin being rendered comatose frees up more prana for Saber to feed on.

But even without the danger of fading away, I'm doubtful of Saber's ability to look after them, herself and their households while the two of them are in a coma. Well, she doesn't technically need to eat, so cooking for herself isn't really a problem...

But living by herself without her lovers as a distraction would start to draw questions about who she is and why she's there.

Going to live with the Matous is probably a bad idea, because Zouken is still around.


2) Waver Velvet in the backstory
Rather than having him actually in the game, how about this?
He said something like "sure I could accept you as my student, but only based on the quality of your 5,000-word essay, 'Baby's first videogame', okay?"
And then Rin grits her teeth and is like, "Challenge fucking accepted."
Gold.


4) Biggest deal
Well, Rin being a member of the Masquerade in a way that Shirou (or Ilya!) aren't, that is, someone who "believes" in it, is a central plot point to deal with.
The Masquerade is part of this whole big THING that Rin sacrificed her whole family for.

She didn't try to dissuade her father from fighting in the Grail War because she believed in Being A Magus. She gave up her sister so the two of them could Be A Magus. She lost her mother because of people fighting for a magus' prize.

Even though Rin is a compassionate person who refuses to sacrifice others for the pursuit of magecraft and the Root, she THINKS SHE SHOULD. She honestly does think she should let people die for the sake of the Grail War and the masquerade, even though she can't bring herself to do it.

Rin would have to break a lot of her mental pillars to play by Kayaba's true rules.
 

Jouaint

Active Member
#7
daniel_gudman said:
2) Waver Velvet in the backstory
Rather than having him actually in the game, how about this?
He said something like "sure I could accept you as my student, but only based on the quality of your 5,000-word essay, 'Baby's first videogame', okay?"
And then Rin grits her teeth and is like, "Challenge fucking accepted."

And then when she gets back to Japan, after hypnotizing the clerk or whatever, she got two game units and is like "Shirou, we're totally doing this."

So, in that case, it's not like Waver would be participating himself exactly, but at the same time, if Rin told him about her plans, then he would know she was one of the "hostages" in the game.

Actually I think Waver should be an active part of the story. I mean he is known as Professor Charisma in the Clock Tower and has gained a large following among the younger generation. Plus he could use this to help prove one of his core beliefs, that hard-work can be used to overcome heritage. I can see him organizing a guild based on expanding the knowledge of Magecraft relatively early as well as letting a carefully picked inner-circle in on the secret early on (relatively speaking) in the game.
 
#8
Jouaint said:
Actually I think Waver should be an active part of the story. I mean he is known as Professor Charisma in the Clock Tower and has gained a large following among the younger generation. Plus he could use this to help prove one of his core beliefs, that hard-work can be used to overcome heritage. I can see him organizing a guild based on expanding the knowledge of Magecraft relatively early as well as letting a carefully picked inner-circle in on the secret early on (relatively speaking) in the game.
My point exactly. Though I'm not so sure about the guild. From little information we have about his character, he seems to be more interested in furthering his own magecraft then teaching others, and his talent in teaching is more something like an aggrevation than a source of pride.

Speaking of that, he does have a natural charisma that would draw people to him, and he is an experienced teacher and lecturer. He wouldn;t be able to help it, he would naturally offer pointers and suggestions to other and show his knowledge. Like when he is too preoccupied to actually follow what topic the conversation turned to.

This way a guild would rather form around him naturally, and maybe with time he could find that maybe magecraft research as a group effort may not be a bad thing,

Also he could be thought of as being on Kayabas side, what with all that knowledge. Which opens the plots, which though already explored, can still be utilised for a nice atmosphere.

daniel_gudman said:
No, the real question is, "would she be willing to use her Crest in front of Muggles?"
With everyone forcefully made into magic users, I don't think she would have reasons to hide anything? I'm not sure really, how she would react to Kayabas plan in the first place. She would blow a fuse at first, thats for sure, but then she would stop to think about it, and she would think it through. But I still can't find a reason for her to play along, even if Kayabe came and made her a peace offering. Problem being Kayaba lacks the same hold on Rin that he has on Ilya in FRO.

But then who else could be thrown into the setting. I kinda like the idea of Shirou with his charge-stright mentality would somehow break into the game, with Kayaba more interested in keeping people from escaping rather than entering.

But this definitely needs another character, and one from FSN would be a nice addition...
 

Amodelsino

Well-Known Member
#9
Sunder the Gold said:
because Zouken is still around.
Unlikely. Given Shinji got Gil to walk into his workshop and destroy him, he's dead unless he put his soul in Sakura in all three routes, which would make no sense as she was never more than a disposable resource in Fate and UBW and thus he didn't intend to try and take her over.

Well, the point is Shinji is totally fine post route despite still living there. So if Zouken is still around he's not capable of doing anything to a completely mundane guy who killed him and then laughed as he stomped all over the pieces of him.
 
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