Fellowship of the Ring

#1
Near the beginning of the book/movie, Gandalf sings a song as he travels to the Shire.

My question is is that song based on a real song?
 

drakensis

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#2
Generally Tolkien came up with that sort of thing himself.
 

Azrael

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#4
drakensis said:
Generally Tolkien came up with that sort of thing himself.
Did he come up with Pippens (Sp?) Song? I've only read books 1&2, never liked em enough for 3, but I saw it in the movie... I think I hear somewhere, the actor who played Pippen made it, not sure though....
 

Carrotglace

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#5
To put it in simple terms. Tolken came up with -everything- in those books. He even made up a couple of languages for it. Seriously, complete languages, with their own phonetics and lettering system. [He was a linguist.] He wrote all the songs, [there's several], and pretty much came up with the entire 'High Fantasy' genera with those books.

He even invented most of the creatures and races in the books. The idea of elves, dwarves, dragons and such were around. He's the one who pretty much set the standard for how they're used and represented in fantasy games, books, films, hell -anything- like that today. D&D and everything that came of it would not exist if not for these books. He's the original DM.

There is a lot of influence from Celtic, Norse, and other European mythology, The War [breeding an army], and religions. He was Catholic, but the books were influenced by other more pagan faiths as well.

It was written during the second world war, and published in the 1950's.

It's a direct sequel to 'The Hobbit' and has a partially written sequel called 'The Silmarillion' that was never finished.

Tolken did for Fantasy what Stoker did for Vampires with 'Dracula' and Romero did for Zombies with the 'Living Dead' films. All those standards and rules have their origins in these books, and he made it up himself.

He was one of those scary genius types. Even if you didn't like his books, if you're interested in anything that's 'sword and sorcery fantasy' at all, it probably never would have existed without these books. It's the first ancestor of pretty much all of it.
 

drakensis

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#6
The Silmarillion was a prequel - actually the Lord of the Rings was little more than an afterthought. There are at least a dozen chapters in it that could have been fleshed out into stories just as detailed as Lord of the Rings.

Tolkien didn't create fantasy - it had already had a golden age of swords and sorcery with writers like Robert E Howard - but he did (largely without any intention of doing so) ressurrect it from the post-pulp slump. Sort of a Silver Age of Fantasy.

It would be fair to draw parallels to Harry Potter's influence on the current market although he was certainly more original.
 
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