Nasuverse [FSN] Centralized Random Idea Thread

Garahs

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I noticed we don't seem to have one, so here:

Random idea thread. Not completely random, just mostly random. I'm sure you all get the idea.

I'll start.

Warning: Silliness

Plainswalker Shirou said:
Ilya stood in glee on the stairs of her mansion with Berserker beside her.� Shirou, Saber, Rin, and Archer stood before her.� Rin stared at the huge servant with a slight mix of awe and fear while Saber kept stealing glances at her master, Shirou, who had a contemplative expression on his face.

"Berserker is the most powerful hero to be summoned.� If you become my subjects, you won't be killed."� Ilya spoke confidently.

She paused in confusion as Shirou pulled out one of the odd cards she had noticed in his belongings and pointed it towards Berserker.� Confusion turned to disbelief and shock as she felt her bond to Berserker fade to nothing even as everyone saw Berserker fade away.

Dumbfounded, she silently stared at Shirou.� Sensing the question, Shirou replied simply.� "Capsize, with buyback."
Just because it works in a card game... said:
It was only by chance that Rin and Sakura together stumbled upon Shirou in the basement where he was doing something with an odd reptile/insectoid creature, some manner of strange alter, and an unusual rock.

Rin started, "Shirou... what is that and what are you doing to it?"

Startled, and somewhat distracted doing whatever it was he was doing, Shirou started talking before the idea of being discreet came to him.

"Well, this is a Sliver Queen.� When it absorbs mana, it reproduces.� Now normally, the mana you can feed it is limited.� But using this Heartstone eases the mana strain.� If I can then sacrifice the slivers it produces to this alter, I get twice the mana it would take to breed another sliver.� I can keep repeating this and I'll have an endless supply of slivers!"

"So you're basically using this creature as an endless baby factory?"� Rin replied a little too calmly.

"Well, I suppose so if you put it that way."

Shirou never saw the twitch or punch that soon followed, knocking him into unconsciousness.
Yeah, I can't see canon Shirou acting this way, but I find the thought amusing.

Moderator action: adding 'FSN' to thread title -chronodekar
 

Prince Charon

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Garahs said:
Just because it works in a card game... said:
It was only by chance that Rin and Sakura together stumbled upon Shirou in the basement where he was doing something with an odd reptile/insectoid creature, some manner of strange alter, and an unusual rock.

Rin started, "Shirou... what is that and what are you doing to it?"

Startled, and somewhat distracted doing whatever it was he was doing, Shirou started talking before the idea of being discreet came to him.

"Well, this is a Sliver Queen.á When it absorbs mana, it reproduces.á Now normally, the mana you can feed it is limited.á But using this Heartstone eases the mana strain.á If I can then sacrifice the slivers it produces to this alter, I get twice the mana it would take to breed another sliver.á I can keep repeating this and I'll have an endless supply of slivers!"

"So you're basically using this creature as an endless baby factory?"á Rin replied a little too calmly.

"Well, I suppose so if you put it that way."

Shirou never saw the twitch or punch that soon followed, knocking him into unconsciousness.
Yeah, I can't see canon Shirou acting this way, but I find the thought amusing.
Well, not Shirou, but I can see other Nasuverse magic-users pulling something like that, and them seeing nothing wrong with that. Zouken and Kotomine were both pretty evil, after all, and there were undoubtedly worse people out there.
 

grant

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When you think about it a lot of the tactics used in Magic are cruel, even for white. When you start getting into black you do things that would be banned by international treaties in RL.
 

Shaderic

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Working my way through F/SN, when I had this idea...

Shirou wasn't always Emiya. Even though the fire burned away his past, he still had to come from somewhere, right?

So... it's a pretty open ended idea. I'm not sure where to go with it, especialy seeing how TypeMoon-crosses are almost impossible to begin with.

So... who do we know that has red hair?
 

Epsilon

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Garahs said:
Just because it works in a card game... said:
It was only by chance that Rin and Sakura together stumbled upon Shirou in the basement where he was doing something with an odd reptile/insectoid creature, some manner of strange alter, and an unusual rock.

Rin started, "Shirou... what is that and what are you doing to it?"

Startled, and somewhat distracted doing whatever it was he was doing, Shirou started talking before the idea of being discreet came to him.

"Well, this is a Sliver Queen.á When it absorbs mana, it reproduces.á Now normally, the mana you can feed it is limited.á But using this Heartstone eases the mana strain.á If I can then sacrifice the slivers it produces to this alter, I get twice the mana it would take to breed another sliver.á I can keep repeating this and I'll have an endless supply of slivers!"

"So you're basically using this creature as an endless baby factory?"á Rin replied a little too calmly.

"Well, I suppose so if you put it that way."

Shirou never saw the twitch or punch that soon followed, knocking him into unconsciousness.
Yeah, I can't see canon Shirou acting this way, but I find the thought amusing.
He should have had a Soul Warden in there for Infinite Life or just channel all that infinite mana into one big ass burn spell or Stroke of Genius.

Yes, Shirou... go and Stroke someone to death.
 

trevelyan1983

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Shaderic said:
So... who do we know that has red hair?
Himura Kenshin and his son, Himura Kenji.

Kurama/Minamino Shuuichi.

Kurosaki Ichigo.

And . . . drawing a blank. There has to be more than that, but I can't remember any at the minute.
 

byakuryuu

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Shirou summons Michael Jackson.

Discuss.

:unsure!:
 

firestorm

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byakuryuu said:
Shirou summons Michael Jackson.

Discuss.

:unsure!:
...

... :mellow: ... :blink: ... :( ... :angry:




Anyways, Shirou summoning Byakuya would be cool. What's better then swordspam? Double swordspam.

Hmm.

Fate/Shinigami Night.

Saber: Kurosaki Ichigo
Lancer: Madarame Ikkaku
Archer: Kuchki Byakuya
Rider: Hitsugaya Toshiro
Berserker: Zaraki Kenpachi
Caster: Tsukabishi Tessai
Assassin: Soifon
 

trevelyan1983

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firestorm said:
Anyways, Shirou summoning Byakuya would be cool. What's better then swordspam? Double swordspam.

Hmm.

Fate/Shinigami Night.

Saber: Kurosaki Ichigo
Lancer: Madarame Ikkaku
Archer: Kuchki Byakuya
Rider: Hitsugaya Toshiro
Berserker: Zaraki Kenpachi
Caster: Tsukabishi Tessai
Assassin: Soifon
:wub:

Do Want. Excellent class match-ups, too.

My only concern is that Tessai is as much a physical monster as a magical one. Caster's supposed to be something of a glass cannon, which suggests Rukia or Orihime to me.

Holy crap, Gil will have floating sword envy. And, of course, the fundamental question when Fakers see Zanpakuto, is . . .
 

firestorm

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trevelyan1983 said:
firestorm said:
Anyways, Shirou summoning Byakuya would be cool. What's better then swordspam? Double swordspam.

Hmm.

Fate/Shinigami Night.

Saber: Kurosaki Ichigo
Lancer: Madarame Ikkaku
Archer: Kuchki Byakuya
Rider: Hitsugaya Toshiro
Berserker: Zaraki Kenpachi
Caster: Tsukabishi Tessai
Assassin: Soifon
:wub:

Do Want. Excellent class match-ups, too.

My only concern is that Tessai is as much a physical monster as a magical one. Caster's supposed to be something of a glass cannon, which suggests Rukia or Orihime to me.

Holy crap, Gil will have floating sword envy. And, of course, the fundamental question when Fakers see Zanpakuto, is . . .
Bleh. Completely forgot about Caster's beatdown in UBW. Rukia wouldn't work for Caster, she's not exactly easy to beat in close combat, and Orihime isn't a Shinigami, which is kind of the theme i wanted.

So...

Nanao Ise, Servant Caster.

Though that would be sort of giving her Master the shaft, considering that she's a Lieutenant and all the other Servants are Captains (Ichigo and Ikkaku may as well be).
 

trevelyan1983

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firestorm said:
Bleh. Completely forgot about Caster's beatdown in UBW. Rukia wouldn't work for Caster, she's not exactly easy to beat in close combat, and Orihime isn't a Shinigami, which is kind of the theme i wanted.

So...

Nanao Ise, Servant Caster.

Though that would be sort of giving her Master the shaft, considering that she's a Lieutenant and all the other Servants are Captains (Ichigo and Ikkaku may as well be).
I'd debate her close combat skills - Rukia has to spam Shirayuki's ice magic to get anything done. And when put up against a melee type like Grimmjow, she gets ripped apart.

But, whatever. Caster!Nanao-cha~an is better. If you want to keep the Servants as Captains or near-as-damnit, you could make Unohana the Caster - a pacifist Servant would be a new twist, as well as a contrast with Kirei and his spiritual surgery abilities.
 

firestorm

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Unohana Retsu as Caster? Could work.

Regarding UBW + Zanpakto...IIRC UBW lets Shirou make any weapon he's ever seen, so he just needs to take a look at a Zanpakto before he can trace it out of UBW.

Better question is, could he use its special abilities?
 

nairit

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firestorm said:
Unohana Retsu as Caster? Could work.

Regarding UBW + Zanpakto...IIRC UBW lets Shirou make any weapon he's ever seen, so he just needs to take a look at a Zanpakto before he can trace it out of UBW.

Better question is, could he use its special abilities?
Um.. correct me if I'm wrong, but UBW can't work like that if Shirou can't understand the concept behind a weapon and weapon's whose materials don't belong in Gaia can't be understood by Shirou. See- Ea

So, UBW can't copy Zanpakuto, I believe. It does not, however, take into account the catalyst that would be necessary to summon a Shinigami over Saber, thereby granting some leeway.
 

zeebee1

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Shirou, and Archer, can't create a weapon if it's made out of materials that aren't from Earth. I doubt he could replicate part of a person's soul.
 

trevelyan1983

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There was a discussion along similar lines at Beast's Lair, when Kieran's Bleach crossover got going. The consensus there seemed to be that a Zanpakuto was so far out of Shirou's understanding, UBW couldn't copy it properly. So, while he'd collect a number of pretty looking katanas that can damage spiritual beings, he couldn't use release commands on them.

<s>Although it occurs to me now, that copying Senbonzakura might give him access to Senka. And seeing Zaraki in action might lead to him using BOTH HANDS!</s>

I suggested that UBW might create a Zanpakuto that fits Shirou, with its own spirit and release command and the like. I still like that idea.
 

firestorm

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Isn't the whole purpose of UBW to create a whole bunch of weapons which Shirou/Archer can't use properly, hence how each weapon drops a level when it's traced?

IIRC, I've never seen a Noble Phantasm used in its activated state by Shirou or Archer out of UBW, and by activated state I mean using Gae Bolg to reverse casuality or using Excaliber to shoot a Pwetty Beam.
 

trevelyan1983

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firestorm said:
Isn't the whole purpose of UBW to create a whole bunch of weapons which Shirou/Archer can't use properly, hence how each weapon drops a level when it's traced?

IIRC, I've never seen a Noble Phantasm used in its activated state by Shirou or Archer out of UBW, and by activated state I mean using Gae Bolg to reverse casuality or using Excaliber to shoot a Pwetty Beam.
Ranks drop in UBW because Shirou is analyzing NP with one sense.

My view here is that being exposed to a bunch of zanpakuto would be enough to cause UBW to create a unique weapon that follows the same rules. NP follow different rules, which is why Shirou has to copy them, and why he can't use them as well as the Servants.

If that doesn't appeal, F/SN already allows Shirou to copy wielder skills, so it's not a necessity - just a cool way for UBW to play with swords made from souls. It's essentially his version of Ea - the only sword he both owns and wields.
 

ZeroForever

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UBW provide's shirou with the inifinite amount of earthly material to make his blades.
The rank drop is already noted above, simply put his copies aren't perfect.

I'm pretty sure it's stated (i forgot where) that the reason that archer doesn't simply copy excalibur and spam beams is that the he can't handle the a high prana load needed to use a excaliblast. Aka if he did he would burn himself out from overload. He might be able to use gae bolg but as noted when he creates non-sword/blade items it costs him extra and i would assume the same for skills associated to non-blade items, assuming he could even luck out and replicate the skill like he does with 9 lives.
 

trevelyan1983

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ZeroForever said:
UBW provide's shirou with the inifinite amount of earthly material to make his blades.
The rank drop is already noted above, simply put his copies aren't perfect.

He might be able to use gae bolg but as noted when he creates non-sword/blade items it costs him extra and i would assume the same for skills associated to non-blade items, assuming he could even luck out and replicate the skill like he does with 9 lives.
<s>Oh Shit, materials found on Earth!</s> My thoughts are as follows: Reality Marble = Your Soul. UBW = copies swords. Zanpakuto = Sword made from your Soul. As far as I can see, UBW has everything it needs to make a zanpakuto already, except Shirou hasn't seen one yet. <s>Bleach takes place on Earth. Maybe.</s>

Archer doesn't use Excaliblast because he can't provide the mana without killing himself. Same with Shirou. There's also the question of whether he can release the NP, as it's not his. That's the reason he can't use Gae Bolg, or the other NPs he copies, because he's not the wielder of the weapon. Archer gets around this by breaking the Phantasms, overloading them with mana and firing them as arrows. He threatens to do this at one point, in UBW, with Excalibur, IIRC.

Finally, with UBW, defensive armaments cost up to three times the mana to trace. Gae Bolg, being a spear, is not a defensive armament.
 

Amodelsino

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Prana, not mana. Mana is the raw form of prana that exists outside the body.
 

Avider

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WAIT FOR IT!

Ok, it's below.
 

Avider

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trevelyan1983 said:
There's also the question of whether he can release the NP, as it's not his.á That's the reason he can't use Gae Bolg, or the other NPs he copies, because he's not the wielder of the weapon.á Archer gets around this by breaking the Phantasms, overloading them with mana and firing them as arrows.
Rho Aias

HF Normal End.

Come on trev, you can be better than this. Actually, I don't get it. Why do you think he wouldn't be able to use them? I thought it was pretty common knowledge that he could, I mean, even in most of the fanfics have him releasing the stuff he traces. And, as noted, in the game he can and does release them.
 

trevelyan1983

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Avider said:
trevelyan1983 said:
There's also the question of whether he can release the NP, as it's not his.á That's the reason he can't use Gae Bolg, or the other NPs he copies, because he's not the wielder of the weapon.á Archer gets around this by breaking the Phantasms, overloading them with mana and firing them as arrows.
Rho Aias

HF Normal End.

Come on trev, you can be better than this. Actually, I don't get it. Why do you think he wouldn't be able to use them? I thought it was pretty common knowledge that he could, I mean, even in most of the fanfics have him releasing the stuff he traces. And, as noted, in the game he can and does release them.
I . . . have no idea where I got that from, honestly. I seem to have misunderstood the subtext of owner versus wielder. I thought Shirou and Gil had many weapons that they could use, but couldn't release as NP - which is why they sword-spam and stick to things that have passive effects, like Enkidu and Durandal, or Kanshou/Bakuya.

<s>That, and old translations of incomplete paths and idiots on Wiki pages.</s>

But what it really implied was that wielders are better because they've spent all their time mastering one NP, while Shirou and Gil just learn to be decent with a load of them. Yeah?

Well, fuck me. The only inhibitor for Shirou and Archer is prana cost, then? Fuck me sideways. UBW doesn't quite mean what I think it means. Also, Archer releasing Caladbolg arrow with it's name now makes sense.
 

Prince Charon

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trevelyan1983 said:
Avider said:
trevelyan1983 said:
There's also the question of whether he can release the NP, as it's not his.á That's the reason he can't use Gae Bolg, or the other NPs he copies, because he's not the wielder of the weapon.á Archer gets around this by breaking the Phantasms, overloading them with mana and firing them as arrows.
Rho Aias

HF Normal End.

Come on trev, you can be better than this. Actually, I don't get it. Why do you think he wouldn't be able to use them? I thought it was pretty common knowledge that he could, I mean, even in most of the fanfics have him releasing the stuff he traces. And, as noted, in the game he can and does release them.
I . . . have no idea where I got that from, honestly. I seem to have misunderstood the subtext of owner versus wielder. I thought Shirou and Gil had many weapons that they could use, but couldn't release as NP - which is why they sword-spam and stick to things that have passive effects, like Enkidu and Durandal, or Kanshou/Bakuya.

<s>That, and old translations of incomplete paths and idiots on Wiki pages.</s>

But what it really implied was that wielders are better because they've spent all their time mastering one NP, while Shirou and Gil just learn to be decent with a load of them. Yeah?

Well, fuck me. The only inhibitor for Shirou and Archer is prana cost, then? Fuck me sideways. UBW doesn't quite mean what I think it means. Also, Archer releasing Caladbolg arrow with it's name now makes sense.
OK, does that effect your opinion on whether Shirou could create his own zanpakutou?

Does it make it more or less likely that he'd be able to copy the zanpakutous of others?

What would Shirou's Shikai and Bankai be like, anyway?
 
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