FSN Question Thread

I don't think I could see him seeking it out. Like, if he happened to get thrown back in time to WWII, do I think Shirou would kill Hitler given the opportunity, probably, yes. But he wouldn't actively seek time travel to do so or anything.

I'm not even actually sure if I think he'd choose to do so if the opportunity presented itself. I kind of compare it to his decision to save Sakura in HF, rather than kill her and make sure she doesn't hurt anyone else: it was the choice between this definite, tangible person in front of him, or the possible faceless masses that he might never see. Shirou's desire is more about seeing people happy, so he doesn't do the same "just save the greater number of people" thing that Kiritsugu does.

I see him as thinking that it's fine to regret the past, it's fine to think about the past, it's fine to be driven by the past, but ultimately, what happened, happened, and that's what made the world the way it is now. All those people that weren't saved, it would have been nice if they'd been saved, but they're dead, and a dead person can't be saved. Even if you changed the past and made it so they never died in the first place, that wouldn't change the fact that, in one place and time, they died. Instead, you'd just be changing the facts of the situation and pretending it was never anything different, pretending they never died or suffered, which is the same as saying that their death, their suffering, their life had no meaning worth acknowledging. So saving them would be equally meaningless, and Shirou can't accept something like that.

The defining events of Kiritsugu's life were the island and shooting down the plane. When he chose not to kill Shirley, and then saw everyone he knew die and the island he called home burn, that forced the idea of "consider the outcome of what you do" on him, so he weighed the possibilities and considered how many people would live or die based on if he killed this person. Then when he shot down the plane, he killed the only person left who had any attachment to him, and cemented the whole thought process in his head, such that even with the image of his wife and daughter right in front of him, the abstract six billion humans in the world was more valuable. He winds up living a bit in the future, constantly thinking about what will happen after he does this thing.

Shirou never had those kinds of decisions until the Grail War. For him, he doesn't usually think about the consequences that will follow what he does beyond "will this save these people here?" What comes after, can be dealt with after. Shirou lives in the present, and focuses on who is here, now, in front of him. People need saving now, why would you worry about people who already weren't saved or who might not even need saving? And that's the key difference between Shirou and Kiritsugu, really.

I don't think Shirou ever even considered using the Grail to save the world or anything like Kiritsugu did. That's why his partnerships work the way they do, because he has no interest in obtaining the Grail. The little bit of selfishness that you could say exists in his wish to save people, that he wants to see the people around him smile, actually grounds him, where Kiritsugu's desire to save humanity detaches him. Shirou wants to help people, where his father wanted to save humanity.

This is probably rambling and confusing. I should probably sleep.
I agree with everything you wrote except the 2nd paragraph. HF Shirou threw away his ideal to protect Sakura, and it went as far to cause his Reality Marble to become completely incompatible with Archer's. I'm not going to debate the morals of that decision, but I don't think you can really equate it to the opinions he expressed and the choices he made in "Go along the cheek."


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Two questions:

One: what is Shirou mostly limited by in terms of his energy? Please confirm/reject my hypothesis.

My guess is that it's his Od - IIRC, a personal/unique system of Magecraft can only be powered by internal energy, and I'm sure that Reinforcement also can't be powered by Mana-based Magical Energy. So, his Circuits are far more powerful than he needs them to be, unless he shoots Caladbolg, or an Excaliblast of any kind.

Two: an Origin of Miracles/Thaumaturgy/Magecraft. What would such a thing mean for the bearer?
Shirou's limited in that his circuits have atrophied from disuse for most of his life. While he has an above average amount, they're incapable of handling much in the way of prana from the previous disuse. About 10 units per circuit, barely, compared to Rin's 1000 units for her 40 circuits and 30 sub-circuits.


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Quick and unimportant question but for image sorting purposes if Fate? Grand Order in the same universe as FSN?
sith2886 said:
Quick and unimportant question but for image sorting purposes if Fate? Grand Order in the same universe as FSN?
sith2886 said:
ok thanks MoB
FGO takes place in it's own universe, although apparently Olga Marie from there ended up in the Melty Blood Manga world.
What possible reason could you have to not call it Prana?
AoMythology said:
Do you guys think that 'Mana' should be used instead of 'Prana' in fan works? If so, what should actual Mana be called? 'Natural Energy' maybe?
there's no need to switch them as they mean fundamentally different things. Prana is as far as I know as this is just supposition on my part a portmanteau of processed and mana and is something that I presume came about as part of the translation from Japanese to English or some such to mean precisely what it says.

mana on the other hand is meant to refer to the "greater source" specifically Gaia's od which is contrasted with the "lesser source" which is referred to as Od and is the energy of the caster/the individual.

for as lacking as it is, the type-moon wikia doesn't get this wrong at least by my understanding.



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This is about Tsukihime, not FSN, but the thread here is the closest I know.

What's the sport Satsuki played? I distinctly remember her saying something about Badminton, but I could be wrong.


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Stumbled across this youtube video explaining the FSN franchise.

Felt about right to me. And amusing enough to post here.



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I have a couple questions.

Do we know who the Magician of the First was? (Could it be Merlin? It would explain why he is supposedly still around, apart from him being half-human, half- (incubus?))

Also, when did the the Age of Gods end and the Age of Man start? Was it at the same time as Jesus Christ's death?


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No one knows who the wielder of the First Magic was. He or she is dead, though, so it's very unlikely to be Merlin.

The Age of the Gods ended entirely around the year AD 0--Jesus' birth, rather than his death--but there does not seem to be any kind of link between Jesus and the age's close. It had been in decline for quite some time, with Gilgamesh's rebellion against the gods playing a key role in the transition.