Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?

Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
NuitTombee said:
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
And one where Genderbent Emillya get's summoned
So it's Emillya Shirou? :huh:
Emillya is post Fate Shirou, who was saved by Illya stuffing his soul into her body making Shirou into a loli.
Oh, you meant Shirouko? Or am I thinking of something else?
 
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
NuitTombee said:
Master of Squirrel-Fu said:
And one where Genderbent Emillya get's summoned
So it's Emillya Shirou? :huh:
Emillya is post Fate Shirou, who was saved by Illya stuffing his soul into her body making Shirou into a loli.
You mean post Heaven's Feel, right?
 

shiki

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My Archer/Saber fic itch has struck again. Any good ones pop up in the last two years since I looked?
 
shiki said:
My Archer/Saber fic itch has struck again. Any good ones pop up in the last two years since I looked?
 

Azure

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shiki said:
My Archer/Saber fic itch has struck again. Any good ones pop up in the last two years since I looked?
Sorry, nothing comes to mind, I would still recommend the Ever Illusive Utopia by Elf, which was a very interesting take on that pairing.
 
I dunno, I can't help but feel that any version of Archer capable of a relationship would have to have undergone enough character reversion that he'd effectively be closer to True End Shirou in personality than the Archer we see in the VN.
 

shiki

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It is just one of those illogical pairings that I can't help but get behind. Love the Healing(tm) that would be necessary to even make it work.

And being dead is no barrier to True Love(tm).

Hell, I could go for an Archer/Taiga fic too. Just imagining it... Magnificent.

Note: Already read Elf's stuff back on BL when it the threads were still active.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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Tentative recc for Dragonic Fate Works. It's a crossover between FSN and HSDxD (there are several).

It did some things I really liked:
1) It put thought and effort into explaining a mechanism for the crossover.
2) The bad guy with a Sealing Designation was surprisingly three-dimensional. (Although I think his power-set suffers from Too Many Unicorns, ie, there are too many spells without a binding theme).
3) There is conflict between Shirou and the HSDxD cast that's based on personality friction rather than just straight-up fighting.

Now, having said that, there are some painful things picked up from other fanfics I would have advised the author changed (eg, Shirou swears "by the Root" a few times, and he's got "Wrought Iron" in a nickname somewhere, and I think the author doesn't understand what a "Type" is). Also, some of the characterization is, let's sum up as, heavy-handed.

But I was willing to give all the flaws a pass, fundamentally because "think hard about HOW you're crossing over the two fandoms" is a drum I bang a lot, and this guy is reading the same sheet music.
 

Nephirin

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I think I skimmed over the first chapter for that once and didn't particularly enjoy it. Maybe I'll give it a second look.

To be perfectly fair though, "The Hero of Wrought Iron" is a canon nickname that comes from Fate/Extra. It's perfectly fine to attach, I'd think.
 

daniel_gudman

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Eh, wrought iron has been obsolete for like a century though. I mean, it was basically a transitional metullurgy during the Victorian era, after traditional bloomeries but before modern blast furnaces. (Yeah it's been around centuries longer but it was always compromising final quality for cheaper, easier processing up front). It's iron with granular slag inclusions, the crystal structure isn't "steel."

It doesn't make sense because mass-production of obsolete structural elements doesn't really fit what Shirou does. It's like, maybe it's old-timey and sounds cool, but it fundamentally doesn't match Shirou.

... Well, having a deliberately misleading nickname so people assume your skills are different, that does sound like something an Emiya Style Hero would do, but I don't think "subtle deception" is where people usually go with that.
 
Yeah, but old-timey and sounds cool are kind of important for typical mages. That could easily be one of them throwing a nickname out and it sticking. And they kind of try to live in the past as much as possible, so...
 

Deathwings

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daniel_gudman said:
Eh, wrought iron has been obsolete for like a century though. I mean, it was basically a transitional metullurgy during the Victorian era, after traditional bloomeries but before modern blast furnaces. (Yeah it's been around centuries longer but it was always compromising final quality for cheaper, easier processing up front). It's iron with granular slag inclusions, the crystal structure isn't "steel."

It doesn't make sense because mass-production of obsolete structural elements doesn't really fit what Shirou does. It's like, maybe it's old-timey and sounds cool, but it fundamentally doesn't match Shirou.

... Well, having a deliberately misleading nickname so people assume your skills are different, that does sound like something an Emiya Style Hero would do, but I don't think "subtle deception" is where people usually go with that.
Shirou is a Hero in an age that has no need/desire of them. Sounds pretty "obsolete" to me. ;)
 

daniel_gudman

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Let me put it this way:

In my imagination, "wrought-iron hero" is a much better title for Isambard Kingdom Brunel. (Caster; Mana rank E, but Territory Creation rank A+, ranking up for infrastructure improvements).

Compared to that, any other usage is just lame, in my opinion.
 
his view on his 'self-worth' is obsolete, his magecraft is said to be nearly useless (to others at least) and his RM can only produce 'cheap' copies of the originals riddled with flaws and the need to constantly mantain their images, IMHO the moniker fits him.
 
His copies aren't "riddled with flaws", otherwise he can't call them perfect copies of the original. They're merely degraded in rank by 1.
 

daniel_gudman

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Also wrought iron fixtures usually strain hardened; they got stronger over time (unless they catastrophically failed), so the symbolism is pointing backwards anyway.

And they were "wrought" or "worked" compared to "cast" iron which was poured in a mold, so that's pointing in the wrong direction for "copying" too.

I mean, leaving aside that it was never used for swords (wrought iron is too soft to hold an edge).

It just doesn't make any damn sense. That's why I suspect it's just Rule of Cool, rather than actually meaning something.
 

Nephirin

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daniel_gudman said:
Eh, wrought iron has been obsolete for like a century though. I mean, it was basically a transitional metullurgy during the Victorian era, after traditional bloomeries but before modern blast furnaces. (Yeah it's been around centuries longer but it was always compromising final quality for cheaper, easier processing up front). It's iron with granular slag inclusions, the crystal structure isn't "steel."

It doesn't make sense because mass-production of obsolete structural elements doesn't really fit what Shirou does. It's like, maybe it's old-timey and sounds cool, but it fundamentally doesn't match Shirou.

... Well, having a deliberately misleading nickname so people assume your skills are different, that does sound like something an Emiya Style Hero would do, but I don't think "subtle deception" is where people usually go with that.
It might just be a translation thing. I always took it to be "Wrought" as in he's "Working Iron to create Swords" and not a specific type of iron. The company that localized Extra has a couple of weird things, like Mystic Codes being Formal Wear.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
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You know, I had completely discounted that it might be a translation thing; I only considered what the words meant in English directly, without giving a whit of thought to localization issues. That's a really good point, Nephirin.

Teach me to have an Ango-centric perspective all the time, I suppose.
 
and a rank down, not to mention having to mantain their images or else they would vanish is not a flaw...
on the other hand, well he does 'beat' Gilgamesh and does the quote of 'who says the copy can't beat the original'
 

Amodelsino

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Kind of the whole point of Shirou breaking Gil's weapons and Gil losing his shit is that Shirou's imitations proved themselves physically indistinguishable from the original. The rank down thing seems to just be a thing that happens because otherwise Shirou wouldn't be enough of an underdog. Like word of god being Bazett having super good compatibility against Shirou despite one of his most basic abilities hard countering literally her entire fighting style. I certainly can't remember it being properly explained in the VN.
 
From what I understand, how it works is that as an imitation, Shirou's Traced weaponry is physically identical from the original. The rank downgrades seem to be for its power and effects as a Noble Phantasm, so the activated/passive effects of the weapons, like Kanshou and Bakuya's monster-slaying capabilities, would be reduced in effect.

And ultimately it's meaningless, because as far as swords go, the only copied ones that really matter in the story are Excalibur, Caliburn, Kanshou, and Bakuya. Excalibur was still able to destroy the Grail, Caliburn was still more than enough to finish off Berserker, and Kanshou and Bakuya's abilities may well have been nonexistent given that they were primarily used against Archer and Gilgamesh.
 
Amodelsino said:
Kind of the whole point of Shirou breaking Gil's weapons and Gil losing his shit is that Shirou's imitations proved themselves physically indistinguishable from the original. The rank down thing seems to just be a thing that happens because otherwise Shirou wouldn't be enough of an underdog. Like word of god being Bazett having super good compatibility against Shirou despite one of his most basic abilities hard countering literally her entire fighting style. I certainly can't remember it being properly explained in the VN.
I think it was less her hard countering him and more her no-selling his broken ability to perfectly learn a style by seeing the weapon. Bazette is badass already, and if Shirou stuck with his own fighting skills (IE not copying sword of master swordsman) he'd probably go down hard and fast.
 
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