Nasuverse [FSN] Recommended fanfiction?

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Amodelsino

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What are you talking about? She can't stop his ability to project, and any weapon he traces he can make it move like it was originally wielded. With all the speed and strength that involves. Literally all he has to do is trace any weapon used by a HS that isn't complete shit and she's fucked and it's automatically a draw. She doesn't have the stats or defenses to even get in his range if he does it given she uses her fists and the weapon can react to attacks that Shirou himself can't as seen in the Berserker fight. If she uses Frag without it being against a trump it's a D rank attack that the same weapon could react to and stop (hell his internal armor shit could stop that dead).

Literally the only way Bazett could beat a Shirou that doesn't suddenly forgot half his skillset is if tracing counted as his trump, but in that case the VS would be "He traces then dies", not the shit Nasu said about her being good against magus and experienced and Shirou's a magus so he loses. Even though Shirou is further from being a conventional magus than she is. Plus Archer's trump is explicitly Broken Phantasms.
 
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Avider

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Overestimating Shirou's abilities a bit much, a habit in the fanon I see as well.

He doesn't turn into HEROIC SPIRIT 2.0 when he's imitating their capabilities, more like a lurching ragdoll.

I'd always imagined it being a straight fight with Bazett greater fighting experience not allowing Shirou time to ready any special skills (always interrupting his cast time yo!), then smashing his head in with her rune-enhanced fists.
 
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Wavelet365

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I think the real reason why Bazett's such a bad opponent for Shirou is that she's an incredibly skilled melee combatant whose skills he can't read. Basically, even if Shirou can read the sword skills of a heroic spirit off a weapon he traces (and this seems fairly inconsistent and incomplete in canon, unless he's using Archer's arm) unless that heroic spirit has fought someone using Bazett's style before, he'll have to rely on his own fighting abilities and instincts in order to read her moves and defend himself, rather than the heroic spirit's abilities. He's much better against someone using a bladed weapon, as he knows all his foe's moves and tricks as soon as he looks at his opponent's blade.

Basically, for Shirou, as his combat skills and instincts are pretty limited when he's not reading his opponents' skills off their blades, unarmed, melee combatants are awful, as he actually has to face them with his own, kind of pathetic, melee skills. Bazett would immediately close, preventing him from triggering a powerful noble phantasm, and then basically beat the crap out of him with a fighting style he couldn't adequately defend against. Basically, his only chance against someone like her is to start the fight at range, and blow her up with a blast from Caliburn or a Calidbolg II.
 
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Master of Squirrel-Fu

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Rising Dragon said:
And if she sees that coming, he'll get taken out by Fragarach.
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That is debatable since Fragarach weird "Ace killing Ace" limitation. Either it only works on UBW being deployed or it can work at anytime since UBW is always used to trace.
 
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nixofcyzerra

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I always thought it more "the sword dragging Shirou's limbs around at such a high speed that his muscles get shredded" than "Shirou traces Gae Bolg and is suddenly made of goes fast."
 
daniel_gudman

daniel_gudman

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Bazette is an adult who hunts down crazy mad magi for a living.

Shirou is a teenager with two weeks experience and little tactical training.

Put like that, it's kind of amazing that the question is whether he would lose, rather than if he could even win.

Well, in five years once he's comfortable with what he can do, he would win every time.

Well, since they're both "good guys", it's more important to have a reason for them to fight a few years post Grail.

Maybe if he got a Sealing Designation slapped on him and then she was the one assigned to deal with him.
 
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LazyLurker

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daniel_gudman said:
Bazette is an adult who hunts down crazy mad magi for a living.

Shirou is a teenager with two weeks experience and little tactical training.

Put like that, it's kind of amazing that the question is whether he would lose, rather than if he could even win.

Well, in five years once he's comfortable with what he can do, he would win every time.

Well, since they're both "good guys", it's more important to have a reason for them to fight a few years post Grail.

Maybe if he got a Sealing Designation slapped on him and then she was the one assigned to deal with him.
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That's right, Shirou's fighting experience is extremely short compared to Bazett.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9041107/12/Saint-of-Zero
It updated.
 
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Nephirin

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I'm pretty sure there's confirmation by Nasu floating around somewhere that Bazett would kick the shit out of Shirou, but I'm too lazy to look it up just now.

Also, it's been stated that Archer's "trump" that activates Fragarach is his usage of broken phantasms.
 
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Azure

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shiki said:
My Archer/Saber fic itch has struck again. Any good ones pop up in the last two years since I looked?
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Hey, I have a recommendation for this ArcherxSaber itch. It's called Contractual Obligations, it's basically a story of Alaya sending Archer back in time to Camelot to ensure Saber can get a grail and wish on it so Alaya can get Saber as a CG. So basically a time travel plot, but I found it really interesting and I like how the Author manages to capture the medieval atmosphere as he chooses to focus on the Arthuria and Camelot as we are seeing the beginnings of Arthuria's kingdom. Plus Archer meeting with Arthuria was really nice, even though it didn't go as Archer planned.

So yeah, everybody should give this one a try, because I actually found it pretty good.
 
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core_88

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It's a rare thing a fate fic with timetravel that isn't shit at least so far.
Really digging Archer in this, grumpy and sarcastic without being overly emo.
 
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shiki

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Eh... Some bits rub me the wrong way and the first chapter hits some of my fan fiction pet peeves. Not to mention I don't really like the style too much. However, some of it is pretty decent.

It falls decently into the "Eh, okay why not section" in terms of time wasting activities.
 
Deathwings

Deathwings

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Azure said:
shiki said:
My Archer/Saber fic itch has struck again. Any good ones pop up in the last two years since I looked?
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Hey, I have a recommendation for this ArcherxSaber itch. It's called Contractual Obligations, it's basically a story of Alaya sending Archer back in time to Camelot to ensure Saber can get a grail and wish on it so Alaya can get Saber as a CG. So basically a time travel plot, but I found it really interesting and I like how the Author manages to capture the medieval atmosphere as he chooses to focus on the Arthuria and Camelot as we are seeing the beginnings of Arthuria's kingdom. Plus Archer meeting with Arthuria was really nice, even though it didn't go as Archer planned.

So yeah, everybody should give this one a try, because I actually found it pretty good.
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Soooooo...does Alaya have some sort of hard control over Archer ? Because I just can't see him actually following up on that peculiar assignment.
 
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Azure

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Deathwings said:
Soooooo...does Alaya have some sort of hard control over Archer ? Because I just can't see him actually following up on that peculiar assignment.
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Me neither, but I want to see how the Author handles it, I guess it's a bit too early to tell. Still, I really want to see Archer becoming a formal knight and going on adventures in Camelot while he snarks and complains, I bet it will be fun.
 
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lord geryon

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Deathwings said:
Soooooo...does Alaya have some sort of hard control over Archer ? Because I just can't see him actually following up on that peculiar assignment.
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I expect that Alaya would love to have Saber as a CG, but really just wants the issue resolved, one way or another. So if Archer arranges for Saber to never make the contract with Alaya in the first place, Alaya would be satisfied with that ending.
 
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Rising Dragon

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inb4 made-aware!Arturia gains the Holy Grail and uses it to absolve both herself and EMIYA of the bloody contract. See how Alaya likes that for resolution.
 
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Deathwings

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Rising Dragon said:
inb4 made-aware!Arturia gains the Holy Grail and uses it to absolve both herself and EMIYA of the bloody contract. See how Alaya likes that for resolution.
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Heh. After all, the one way to slip out from under Alaya's thumb is to become an actual Heroic Spirit, so it could happen.
 
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Amodelsino

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Given that there are infinite universes and the Throne is outside of them, if that was possible it would already be the case.
 
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shioran toushin

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on the other hand, maybe (ant that's bending or breaking a lot of Nasuverse rules or beliefs) a Copy of EMIYA gets 'free' while the 'original' will be a CG as long as Alaya exists.
 
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Amodelsino

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For that literally all he needs to do is be able to sustain himself. If he has conscious will then the copy is already effectively free.

He never wanted to be free in that sense, he wanted to erase himself from ever existing. Even then it was more just throwing a temper tantrum.
 
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Rising Dragon

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Deathwings said:
Rising Dragon said:
inb4 made-aware!Arturia gains the Holy Grail and uses it to absolve both herself and EMIYA of the bloody contract. See how Alaya likes that for resolution.
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Heh. After all, the one way to slip out from under Alaya's thumb is to become an actual Heroic Spirit, so it could happen.
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Arturia cannot actually become a Heroic Spirit without becoming a Counter Guardian in this case. If she keeps to her path like she does in the Fate route, her soul is moved to Avalon, rather than to the Throne of Heroes. If she doesn't go to Avalon, it's because she's stuck on that hill until she fulfills the contract... or gives up on it and goes to Avalon.
 
Deathwings

Deathwings

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Rising Dragon said:
Deathwings said:
Rising Dragon said:
inb4 made-aware!Arturia gains the Holy Grail and uses it to absolve both herself and EMIYA of the bloody contract. See how Alaya likes that for resolution.
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Heh. After all, the one way to slip out from under Alaya's thumb is to become an actual Heroic Spirit, so it could happen.
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Arturia cannot actually become a Heroic Spirit without becoming a Counter Guardian in this case. If she keeps to her path like she does in the Fate route, her soul is moved to Avalon, rather than to the Throne of Heroes. If she doesn't go to Avalon, it's because she's stuck on that hill until she fulfills the contract... or gives up on it and goes to Avalon.
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In that case she won't become a Counter Guardian anyway, since she'd have to actually die for that to happen and Avalon won't allow it.

The entire reason she would have become a CG had she succeed at getting the Grail is because her wish would have resulted in someone else becoming King Arthur and taking her legend away in the process anyway. So long as she remain a know legendary figure, Alaya can't do shit to her, deal or no.
 
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nixofcyzerra

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She'd go to Avalon up untill "Britain's darkest hour," and at tthat point return to the world, and then eventually die. She'd most likely enter the ToH after that.
 
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