FSN + SAO: j-jam it in!

Are there any plans for floors 51-75? Past dealing with consequences of Black Cat death and possibly Grizelda-Grimlock plot.

(I think I remember a discussion on "make Grimlock 75th Floor Boss" or something in this line. Also, [Magic is Real IRL] revelation leading to Shirou and Ilya being outed as Real Magi)
 
point09micron_process said:
I always assumed the ground-up bones were added to melted metal (lead I guess?) before being poured into bullet molds, or maybe a bone fragment placed in each mold while it was cooling. Actually making the bullets out of bone seems unlikely, because they would be badly damaged by the explosion that actually launches the bullet out of the gun.

And to the richardsphere's comment about Shirou's bones containing the information of his reality marble (either part or all of the information), I really doubt that's the case. As I understand things, a reality marble, like any other magecraft, is a mental image brought to physical existence using prana. It's not something that's a part of Shirou's body, it's his mind. Any instances of swords inside his body are a result of projecting part of his reality marble from his mind into his body rather than onto the area outside his body. Making a sword out of one of his bones wouldn't give that sword the properties of Unlimited Blade Works. It would just make it more sword-like (if that idea weren't redundant already). Not to mention being inherently weaker than a purely metallic sword, due to having either chunks of less dense material inside the metal or the material being less dense overall if it's a powder mixed with the metal.

That's not to say he couldn't craft a sword with the properties of UBW I suppose... But that would still be a bounded field constructed relative to the sword, rather than to the world? I guess? It would certainly be a fancy piece of magecraft, one made entirely irrelevant by his ability to pull any sword out of UBW in the first place.
I suspect it's purely a matter of symbolic association. One's "bones" are the bedrock of the self, the structure by which one moves and operates; as such, they are also one's core principles and outlook - the same things that become the basis of one's Reality Marble, and the same metaphor that gets used to describe one's Origin. So by placing one's bones into bullet molds, you're symbolically "firing your Origin" into someone else.

Anyway, Unlimited Lost Works is primarily useful because it bypasses all sorts of magic resistance shenanigans by dint of being Origin-based high-concept magecraft. It is mostly made obsolete by UBW itself... but the question I'd like to ask is, can he give those bullets to someone else? "Arming others" is kind of the entire premise here, after all.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
point09micron_process said:
I always assumed the ground-up bones were added to melted metal (lead I guess?) before being poured into bullet molds, or maybe a bone fragment placed in each mold while it was cooling. Actually making the bullets out of bone seems unlikely, because they would be badly damaged by the explosion that actually launches the bullet out of the gun.

And to the richardsphere's comment about Shirou's bones containing the information of his reality marble (either part or all of the information), I really doubt that's the case. As I understand things, a reality marble, like any other magecraft, is a mental image brought to physical existence using prana. It's not something that's a part of Shirou's body, it's his mind. Any instances of swords inside his body are a result of projecting part of his reality marble from his mind into his body rather than onto the area outside his body. Making a sword out of one of his bones wouldn't give that sword the properties of Unlimited Blade Works. It would just make it more sword-like (if that idea weren't redundant already). Not to mention being inherently weaker than a purely metallic sword, due to having either chunks of less dense material inside the metal or the material being less dense overall if it's a powder mixed with the metal.

That's not to say he couldn't craft a sword with the properties of UBW I suppose... But that would still be a bounded field constructed relative to the sword, rather than to the world? I guess? It would certainly be a fancy piece of magecraft, one made entirely irrelevant by his ability to pull any sword out of UBW in the first place.
I suspect it's purely a matter of symbolic association. One's "bones" are the bedrock of the self, the structure by which one moves and operates; as such, they are also one's core principles and outlook - the same things that become the basis of one's Reality Marble, and the same metaphor that gets used to describe one's Origin. So by placing one's bones into bullet molds, you're symbolically "firing your Origin" into someone else.

Anyway, Unlimited Lost Works is primarily useful because it bypasses all sorts of magic resistance shenanigans by dint of being Origin-based high-concept magecraft. It is mostly made obsolete by UBW itself... but the question I'd like to ask is, can he give those bullets to someone else? "Arming others" is kind of the entire premise here, after all.
easily, remember that when Kiritsugu fires his bullets he doesnt use prana to activate it. its the TARGET's prana circulation that activates his bullets.

which clearly proves that [person a] can activate [person B's] origin weapon's ability.

*edit* can this principle be used for prana-conversion in non-origin weapons. for example create arrowhead with "explosion" runes and have opponent's prana set those off?

*edit OF the edit* I meant prana Conservation.
 
for example create arrowhead with "explosion" runes and have opponent's prana set those off?
Would you even need to go to that kind of trouble? If the runes are inside the target's body due to being on an arrow they've just been shot with, magic resistance wouldn't matter, because the explosion is a purely physical reaction. Rather than have them activated by the target's prana, just make it activate with blood. That way it can still go off inside the target, even if the arrow has enough momentum to pass completely through.
 

zerohour

Well-Known Member
So I don't know if this has been covered before, but when Shirou is sitting on the Final Boss floor, what is he doing? He's all alone up there, and you can only train so much for the final fight, so what does he do in his down time? Is he chatting with Kayaba? Reading books? Getting information on the Mage Association/Enforcers for stage two?

I'm just curious what he would be doing now that all of his usual activities have been suspended.
 

TSB

Well-Known Member
daniel_gudman said:
I've been thinking that Kayaba won't be able to directly interact with UBW.

But, like... That's more because it's fundamentally an "analog" virtual world, rather than a computer/digital one. So rather than it being impossible for him to hack into it, first he has to write, like, an entire interpreter and he just straight-up doesn't have the time.

I'm not decided on how much he knows about UBW yet; certainly he knows that Shirou has some kinda crazy something going on, based on his reports. Honestly I want him to figure out that it's a Marble specifically (instead of something whacky inherited from Kerry or whatever) later, during the Origin Patch, so I can tie the whole Reality Marble thing together with "approaching your Origin" when he's in a position to be expositing on it.

And messing with Shirou is very much "fixing something that isn't broken" for him right now.

I've been debating that Kayaba railroading Shirou into being the Final Boss is, just a convenient and useful cover to his real objective: isolating Shirou in a Workshop where he can manipulate Shirou into really min/maxing his character sheet once an OP prestige class gets unlocked, so to speak; that way Kayaba can research a Marble and increase the fighting power of someone that explicitly prioritizes human lives above the Statute of Secrecy.
So it may end up being kind of a hermitage where Shirou can focus all of his energy on refining his magecraft and gaining skill with UBW.
 
Ok, this is probably going to seem random, i found it when wiki-walking, and it seems like a GREAT co-op project between Shirou and Beast-girl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharur_(mythological_weapon)

I know that shirou can't trace NP's in the game (due to broadband) and i don't want to get into the "Can shirou trace divine instruments" discussion. im merely thinking: Post-fate-Shirou! definitly looked up ancient mesopotamian legend's and would have picked up the inspiration to create a similar object with silica.

*edit* Im bad with tech, i think i meant Bandwith instead of broadband. I THINK
 
I'm imagining that when Shirou's not on floor 100, he's instead going to be on 99, chilling with Ilya.
 

daniel_gudman

KING (In Land of Blind)
Staff member
So I've been drafting a couple different ways of going about 16.4, but nothing is clicking, it doesn't feel satisfactory -- or more precisely, it just feels like I'm writing word vomit that doesn't advance a scene, but rather just describes stuff happening.

So lemme ask an open-ended pair of questions and poll the audience:

1) What should 16.4 accomplish?

2) And how?
 
What's 16.4 supposed to be about again? The aftershocks of the Cats/Demon thing?

I'd say focus on Shirou. It hasn't been too long since his chapter Swordtopia, but this seems important to him. Threats coming from previously-thought-safe zones should shake him out of his comfortable rut as a blacksmith. His swords help people... but do they help ENOUGH? The Demon is something that only he or Ilya properly understand; that they would be well placed to deal with, if they knew about it beforehand...

How does Shirou reconcile his need to save with his limited power as a human? Well, what if he set the sword thing aside for now and went into spell research? Building a better bounded field with Ilya, or having long talks with Argo's Guide about the 'fluff of the game', trying to cram years of magus knowledge into the newbs.

That causes friction with the clearers; the clearers are going to be like, 'Well sure the Demon was scary, but we need your swords to push the front line, man!' while Shirou is like 'Going by the numbers, keeping 6000 retired players safe must take priority over keeping 1000 clearers safe for now; check back in a few months once I've warded every town on the lower floors.' Internal strife, too; Ilya is just happy to be working with Shirou, but Asuna has a real determination to clear the game, and Shirou's new passion is not advancing that goal the way she thinks he should be.

It also allows other clearers more time to shine, while Shirou can be assumed to be going about in the background doing his thing. That thing with the Cats moving up to the front line, for example, makes sense if Asuna is trying to fill the hole Shirou left behind in red raid scouting.

And Diabel is going to freak out when it turns out that not only is Shirou the strongest warrior and greatest blacksmith, he (well, Ilya) is also the best spell researcher, which would be funny. Like, how many hats can the Sixth Ranger possibly wear?!

EDIT: I'd say maybe start with the Cats reporting to Kirito, who calls in the rest of the BSM? So its the first meeting between the Cats and the BSM, and they come in with a big win. Which can play into Asuna thinking they're good enough for the front line with some work.

Then they can explain in their own words, and then the second half of the chapter focuses on Shirou realizing he's not doing all he can to protect people from these nebulous threats.
 

spilll

Well-Known Member
16.4 main focus should be about the Black Cats.

The BCotFM being overwhelmed by praise and gratitude from the frontline at one of those Guild meetings, the boarding school kids, and by random Mid and Rear liners on the street. The other Cats are eating the attention up while Sacchi is terrified with a scene at the end with Kirito tripping death flags.

The part with Diabel could have him subtly using this to push for 100% participation and Shirou thanking the BC for saving the kids and being happy his swords made a difference (I know this isn't really important but what are their swords named?) , the scene with the boarding school could also show Sasha changing her mind about actively teaching the kids magecraft, and finally rumors going around about monsters bypassing safe-zones.
 
ok, myu qoutation button is broken so pretnd im using qoutes:
Dyslexic has a good idea in my opinion but it seems more like chapter 15 dshould deal with it. 14.4 shouldn't be about the meta-political consequences. it should probably be the inititial emergency response meating. talking about HOW DO WE respond to it. but not yet showing it. talking about how they should theoreticaly respond, not showing the practica
 

TSB

Well-Known Member
The original plan was to have it from Diabel's PoV I think and is mainly dealing with the fallout. It's very much a reaction chapter - lots of people running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out what happened, how it happened, and how to stop it.

So to answer your questions:

1.) What should 16.4 accomplish?
- Show how news of the demon is affecting Player morale and motivation
- Show or explain how the big guilds fumbled this "event" because it was so indirect
- Jumpstart Retired Player research into "bounded fields"
- Diabel considering if he's doing enough to keep Kayaba from pulling similar tricks

2.) And how?
A shot of Diabel attempting to calm a crowd might help - explaining how the event has been cleared and the children rescued while thanking the Black Cats. Before or after he observes the crowd and sees how people are reacting. Afterwards he meets up with the various personnel to discuss what happened and how to stop it, which leads into Ilya blithely suggesting making a bounded field or referencing the weaknesses of demons when the others don't know what a "demon" is. She's a bit loose-lipped because Shirou got antsy when he heard and ran off to look without telling her.

I really can't see any way to not make this at least partially word vomit without doing a lot of cutting between timeframes and character views.
 
I agree with TSB. It's an exposition chapter, and one with lots of hard and unanswered questions, at that. There's gonna be lots of sitting around and talking, whichever way you slice it. That said, if you want to let no one part be too heavy, you could have two separate reaction cuts: one featuring Diabel, where we see a meeting of the Council, where they actually discuss the strategical and logistics implications of the whole thing; and one byArgo, who's beating herself up over not having previous intel on that whole mess, even though that's not a reasonable expectation to hold herself to. You could frame the Cats in the Diabel P.O.V., as it's reasonable that they'd get debriefed in front of the Council for first-hand details (and what a warm reception to the Front Lines that would be); and the general public reaction in Argo's part, where she's amongst the Mid-and-Rearlines, trying to pick up any clues she might've missed about this "Event" and any other unpleasant surprises that might be coming. You could also try to frame Sara's (Sasha's? The Orphanage lady) reaction and decision in Diabel's part, but that might be a clumsy fit. Depends on how long you'll want the chapter to be.
 

spilll

Well-Known Member
Daniel instead of us just throwing out ideas maybe you can post some of your drafts and we can workshop what you already have
 
Hmm, maybe the characters need something to jolt them. Some sinister insight from an ostensibly solved quest. Or perhaps we continue the reader/player information discord.

In 16.1, we have Laughing Coffin mucking about with a pre-packaged ritual. It succeeds, and they summon something neat, but it doesn't engage with them meaningfully. They shrug and go on their way. The readers are interested, because we get an insight on the disturbing experiments being conducted on dead players. The implications of being compelled-broken-healed-repeat are uncertain, and work as a good hook. The monster is a more mild curiosity. We know its origins, and it isn't really scary or threatening.

In 16.2, we get introduced to our victim. Young, vulnerable, and already tenuously connected to previous events. What's more interesting is the unlikely coincidence of his history with the deranged mind now trapped in the demon's body. The reader realizes that Cardinal's machinations have twisted this child's guardian into a cruel mockery of his role. Although the kid is enchanted, he isn't made to suffer.

In 16.3, the Black Cats put on their Big Boy gear that papa Kirito got for them and slay the monster. Thankfully, they had a type advantage. No one gets hurt, no lingering trauma. Everything works out, right?

In 16.4, we should discover how not-right everything is. I mean we, the readers, not necessarily the players. There's been a severe information discrepancy thus far, it would be weird to change it now. So while our characters are in "quest complete" or "crisis averted" mode, something horrifying should be happening. A rise in the threat level to offset the easy time everyone's been having. A missed connection or opportunity that will cost them dearly in the future. Something along those lines.
 

TSB

Well-Known Member
Cross-posting from SV in response to your idea:

We have the perfect missed lead: Where did the demon come from? Everyone assumes it was just a random monster or AI-generated event. It's not.

Final scene after Diabel's, we cut to Yui processing the demon!Player back into holding. Before she goes into standby she receives a new Demon Summoning request, maybe even multiples. Laughing Coffin isn't giving up on demon summoning, they're just getting started.
 
Something I've been curious about is if/when the players of SAO realize that the Magecraft they learned in the game is real will we see a situation where Shirou, Illya, and the Eastern Mage's form a new break away Organization of Spellcasters

(the Type-moon technical term given to those who use Magecraft without following the way of the magus, such as Kiritsugu Emiya and Flueger who treated Magecraft as just a tool. Usually, their general skill with Thaumaturgy is low, but it is not uncommon for them to be highly proficient in a single field that they choose to specialize at. Also includes mages who lack formal training such as Shirou Emiya and Sakura Matou.)

Similar to the scenario in Fate/Apocrypha where the Yggdmillennia family split off from the association, though the circumstances are obviously different.

The way I see it, if they didn't band together and form a new eastern society for Spellcasters or reach some sort of agreement with the Clock Tower they would likely be killed off by the Enforcers one by one until everyone involved with Kayaba's SAO experiment was eliminated to protect the secrecy of Magecraft.

===================================================

Also when I re-read the fic up to chapter 62 When the OC Leviathan is introduced it got me thinking about the possibilities for someone with the "Blood" element. I went to Superpower wiki and typed in "Blood" and the list of possible powers and abilities associated with it were surprising. Here is just some articles that I found on the wiki you might find interesting.

Blood Clotting
Blood Generation
Blood Consumption
Blood Attacks
Blood Cloning
Blood Link
Blood Crystallization
Blood Empowerment
Cardiology Manipulation via Blood Manipulation
Blood Pressure Manipulation
Blood Property Manipulation
Haemopotent Replication
Haemokinetic Constructs
Bone Manipulation: Blood is produced in bone marrow.
Acidic Blood
Cursed Blood
Toxic Blood
Thermovariance: To boil targets blood
Adoptive Muscle Memory and/or Knowledge Replication using blood as a medium to access things like Genetic Memory.
Blood Absorption
Dermal Armor by increasing the density of one's own blood
Blood Marionette (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Neurocognitive Deficit by reversing the flow of blood to cause unconsciousness.
Blood Creature Creation
Healing Blood
Genesis Blood
Flammable Blood
Mutagenic Blood
Electrolytic Blood
Blood Transfusion
Pain Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Paralysis Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
=========================================================================

This was something I composed in a message a while back but never got a reply on so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were regarding these ideas.
 
MathiasNightlord01 said:
Something I've been curious about is if/when the players of SAO realize that the Magecraft they learned in the game is real will we see a situation where Shirou, Illya, and the Eastern Mage's form a new break away Organization of Spellcasters

(the Type-moon technical term given to those who use Magecraft without following the way of the magus, such as Kiritsugu Emiya and Flueger who treated Magecraft as just a tool. Usually, their general skill with Thaumaturgy is low, but it is not uncommon for them to be highly proficient in a single field that they choose to specialize at. Also includes mages who lack formal training such as Shirou Emiya and Sakura Matou.)

Similar to the scenario in Fate/Apocrypha where the Yggdmillennia family split off from the association, though the circumstances are obviously different.

The way I see it, if they didn't band together and form a new eastern society for Spellcasters or reach some sort of agreement with the Clock Tower they would likely be killed off by the Enforcers one by one until everyone involved with Kayaba's SAO experiment was eliminated to protect the secrecy of Magecraft.

===================================================

Also when I re-read the fic up to chapter 62 When the OC Leviathan is introduced it got me thinking about the possibilities for someone with the "Blood" element. I went to Superpower wiki and typed in "Blood" and the list of possible powers and abilities associated with it were surprising. Here is just some articles that I found on the wiki you might find interesting.

Blood Clotting
Blood Generation
Blood Consumption
Blood Attacks
Blood Cloning
Blood Link
Blood Crystallization
Blood Empowerment
Cardiology Manipulation via Blood Manipulation
Blood Pressure Manipulation
Blood Property Manipulation
Haemopotent Replication
Haemokinetic Constructs
Bone Manipulation: Blood is produced in bone marrow.
Acidic Blood
Cursed Blood
Toxic Blood
Thermovariance: To boil targets blood
Adoptive Muscle Memory and/or Knowledge Replication using blood as a medium to access things like Genetic Memory.
Blood Absorption
Dermal Armor by increasing the density of one's own blood
Blood Marionette (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Neurocognitive Deficit by reversing the flow of blood to cause unconsciousness.
Blood Creature Creation
Healing Blood
Genesis Blood
Flammable Blood
Mutagenic Blood
Electrolytic Blood
Blood Transfusion
Pain Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Paralysis Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
=========================================================================

This was something I composed in a message a while back but never got a reply on so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were regarding these ideas.
Well, some of them are either impossible or very complicated in this scenario, as Nasuverse is relatively high up in the Sci-fi hardness scale. For example, making his blood denser? That would also make it heavier, and significantly harder for his heart to pump. He could get around that by manually (magically) pumping his own blood for the duration of such a spell, but it would likely be ridiculously painful, dangerous, or both. So basically, it would be Nasuverse magecraft. Toxic blood? Well, possible, with a clever use of Reinforcement. That said, doing it to your own blood is a terrible idea, and doing it to enemied dounds great until either anyine attacks them and gets them to bleed out toxic blood or they just plain simple coff toxic blood at you. I do like the Blood Link and Blood Marionette options (by directly controlling his opponent's blood, even if he ends up using a small part of his own blood as a medium), I feel he could probably make an interesting, voodu-like personal style of magecraft. I do think Leviathan and Kuradeel would make good partners, I mean, blood and scary-ass monsters, a match made in slasher flicks.

And as for Enforcers killing the SAO survivors one by one, the power match-up between SAOers and the Clock Tower has been debated back and forth like, a million times on this thread already to no achievable consensus, but suffice to say the Enforcers won't have it so easy as that.
 
Well most of these abilities require them to cut themselves to use their effects or using bladed weapons to gain access to an opponent's blood to use against them (recently got this idea after seeing My Hero Academia's Hero Killer: Stain's power that required he ingested his enemies blood to create a link between himself and his target)) had a few ideas as to the applications of certain powers listed but not all have to strictly take place in the body as he could simply prepare a bunch of stuff beforehand etc.
 
Lab_Accident said:
MathiasNightlord01 said:
Something I've been curious about is if/when the players of SAO realize that the Magecraft they learned in the game is real will we see a situation where Shirou, Illya, and the Eastern Mage's form a new break away Organization of Spellcasters

(the Type-moon technical term given to those who use Magecraft without following the way of the magus, such as Kiritsugu Emiya and Flueger who treated Magecraft as just a tool. Usually, their general skill with Thaumaturgy is low, but it is not uncommon for them to be highly proficient in a single field that they choose to specialize at. Also includes mages who lack formal training such as Shirou Emiya and Sakura Matou.)

Similar to the scenario in Fate/Apocrypha where the Yggdmillennia family split off from the association, though the circumstances are obviously different.

The way I see it, if they didn't band together and form a new eastern society for Spellcasters or reach some sort of agreement with the Clock Tower they would likely be killed off by the Enforcers one by one until everyone involved with Kayaba's SAO experiment was eliminated to protect the secrecy of Magecraft.

===================================================

Also when I re-read the fic up to chapter 62 When the OC Leviathan is introduced it got me thinking about the possibilities for someone with the "Blood" element. I went to Superpower wiki and typed in "Blood" and the list of possible powers and abilities associated with it were surprising. Here is just some articles that I found on the wiki you might find interesting.

Blood Clotting
Blood Generation
Blood Consumption
Blood Attacks
Blood Cloning
Blood Link
Blood Crystallization
Blood Empowerment
Cardiology Manipulation via Blood Manipulation
Blood Pressure Manipulation
Blood Property Manipulation
Haemopotent Replication
Haemokinetic Constructs
Bone Manipulation: Blood is produced in bone marrow.
Acidic Blood
Cursed Blood
Toxic Blood
Thermovariance: To boil targets blood
Adoptive Muscle Memory and/or Knowledge Replication using blood as a medium to access things like Genetic Memory.
Blood Absorption
Dermal Armor by increasing the density of one's own blood
Blood Marionette (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Neurocognitive Deficit by reversing the flow of blood to cause unconsciousness.
Blood Creature Creation
Healing Blood
Genesis Blood
Flammable Blood
Mutagenic Blood
Electrolytic Blood
Blood Transfusion
Pain Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Paralysis Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
=========================================================================

This was something I composed in a message a while back but never got a reply on so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were regarding these ideas.
Well, some of them are either impossible or very complicated in this scenario, as Nasuverse is relatively high up in the Sci-fi hardness scale. For example, making his blood denser? That would also make it heavier, and significantly harder for his heart to pump. He could get around that by manually (magically) pumping his own blood for the duration of such a spell, but it would likely be ridiculously painful, dangerous, or both. So basically, it would be Nasuverse magecraft. Toxic blood? Well, possible, with a clever use of Reinforcement. That said, doing it to your own blood is a terrible idea, and doing it to enemied dounds great until either anyine attacks them and gets them to bleed out toxic blood or they just plain simple coff toxic blood at you. I do like the Blood Link and Blood Marionette options (by directly controlling his opponent's blood, even if he ends up using a small part of his own blood as a medium), I feel he could probably make an interesting, voodu-like personal style of magecraft. I do think Leviathan and Kuradeel would make good partners, I mean, blood and scary-ass monsters, a match made in slasher flicks.

And as for Enforcers killing the SAO survivors one by one, the power match-up between SAOers and the Clock Tower has been debated back and forth like, a million times on this thread already to no achievable consensus, but suffice to say the Enforcers won't have it so easy as that.
uhm note i want to add to the "toxic blood is a bad idea" notion.
it does seem stupid at first, but you could go the mithradatism route, and slowly build up your toxins while getting your body adjusted your blood composition.

basically: Poison blood is possible, just slow to execute. also: How do you intend to get your blood into THEIR bodies? i mean thats logistically impressive at least.

maybe poison darts?

Also: Is there any reason why he would only be able to controll his OWN blood?
because if there isnt could he do some origin-bullet type stuff with blood instead of bones?


-Edit- I realised another logistical method of weaponising ones own blood. would need Ilya's help (her families skills with homonculous craft) and a transhumanist effort.

i read that the mythological children of Tiamat had venomous blood once. which Always made me wonder VENOMOUS blood? don't you mean poisonous? but if he got somekind of transhumanism thing going, and had like poison-sacks like a cobra installed that would work.
it wouldnt be great, (limited use. every attack would sacrifice some of your blood. so attacking to much would kill you by anemia.) but at least the idea of toxic blood can be weaponised. it'd be a great trump card in a fight, but limited use.

also: When kariya inevitably brings in phantasmal beasts in the game, is Leviathan going to go Sigfried? (the "empowered through mystic-blood concept, not the involnerable concept")
 
richardsphere said:
Lab_Accident said:
MathiasNightlord01 said:
Something I've been curious about is if/when the players of SAO realize that the Magecraft they learned in the game is real will we see a situation where Shirou, Illya, and the Eastern Mage's form a new break away Organization of Spellcasters

(the Type-moon technical term given to those who use Magecraft without following the way of the magus, such as Kiritsugu Emiya and Flueger who treated Magecraft as just a tool. Usually, their general skill with Thaumaturgy is low, but it is not uncommon for them to be highly proficient in a single field that they choose to specialize at. Also includes mages who lack formal training such as Shirou Emiya and Sakura Matou.)

Similar to the scenario in Fate/Apocrypha where the Yggdmillennia family split off from the association, though the circumstances are obviously different.

The way I see it, if they didn't band together and form a new eastern society for Spellcasters or reach some sort of agreement with the Clock Tower they would likely be killed off by the Enforcers one by one until everyone involved with Kayaba's SAO experiment was eliminated to protect the secrecy of Magecraft.

===================================================

Also when I re-read the fic up to chapter 62 When the OC Leviathan is introduced it got me thinking about the possibilities for someone with the "Blood" element. I went to Superpower wiki and typed in "Blood" and the list of possible powers and abilities associated with it were surprising. Here is just some articles that I found on the wiki you might find interesting.

Blood Clotting
Blood Generation
Blood Consumption
Blood Attacks
Blood Cloning
Blood Link
Blood Crystallization
Blood Empowerment
Cardiology Manipulation via Blood Manipulation
Blood Pressure Manipulation
Blood Property Manipulation
Haemopotent Replication
Haemokinetic Constructs
Bone Manipulation: Blood is produced in bone marrow.
Acidic Blood
Cursed Blood
Toxic Blood
Thermovariance: To boil targets blood
Adoptive Muscle Memory and/or Knowledge Replication using blood as a medium to access things like Genetic Memory.
Blood Absorption
Dermal Armor by increasing the density of one's own blood
Blood Marionette (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Neurocognitive Deficit by reversing the flow of blood to cause unconsciousness.
Blood Creature Creation
Healing Blood
Genesis Blood
Flammable Blood
Mutagenic Blood
Electrolytic Blood
Blood Transfusion
Pain Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
Paralysis Inducement (via injecting his own blood as a medium into the target)
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This was something I composed in a message a while back but never got a reply on so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were regarding these ideas.
Well, some of them are either impossible or very complicated in this scenario, as Nasuverse is relatively high up in the Sci-fi hardness scale. For example, making his blood denser? That would also make it heavier, and significantly harder for his heart to pump. He could get around that by manually (magically) pumping his own blood for the duration of such a spell, but it would likely be ridiculously painful, dangerous, or both. So basically, it would be Nasuverse magecraft. Toxic blood? Well, possible, with a clever use of Reinforcement. That said, doing it to your own blood is a terrible idea, and doing it to enemied dounds great until either anyine attacks them and gets them to bleed out toxic blood or they just plain simple coff toxic blood at you. I do like the Blood Link and Blood Marionette options (by directly controlling his opponent's blood, even if he ends up using a small part of his own blood as a medium), I feel he could probably make an interesting, voodu-like personal style of magecraft. I do think Leviathan and Kuradeel would make good partners, I mean, blood and scary-ass monsters, a match made in slasher flicks.

And as for Enforcers killing the SAO survivors one by one, the power match-up between SAOers and the Clock Tower has been debated back and forth like, a million times on this thread already to no achievable consensus, but suffice to say the Enforcers won't have it so easy as that.
uhm note i want to add to the "toxic blood is a bad idea" notion.
it does seem stupid at first, but you could go the mithradatism route, and slowly build up your toxins while getting your body adjusted your blood composition.

basically: Poison blood is possible, just slow to execute. also: How do you intend to get your blood into THEIR bodies? i mean thats logistically impressive at least.

maybe poison darts?

Also: Is there any reason why he would only be able to controll his OWN blood?
because if there isnt could he do some origin-bullet type stuff with blood instead of bones?


-Edit- I realised another logistical method of weaponising ones own blood. would need Ilya's help (her families skills with homonculous craft) and a transhumanist effort.

i read that the mythological children of Tiamat had venomous blood once. which Always made me wonder VENOMOUS blood? don't you mean poisonous? but if he got somekind of transhumanism thing going, and had like poison-sacks like a cobra installed that would work.
it wouldnt be great, (limited use. every attack would sacrifice some of your blood. so attacking to much would kill you by anemia.) but at least the idea of toxic blood can be weaponised. it'd be a great trump card in a fight, but limited use.

also: When kariya inevitably brings in phantasmal beasts in the game, is Leviathan going to go Sigfried? (the "empowered through mystic-blood concept, not the involnerable concept")

Well most of these abilities require them to cut themselves to use their effects or using bladed weapons to gain access to an opponent's blood to use against them (recently got this idea after seeing My Hero Academia's Hero Killer: Stain's power that required he ingested his enemies blood to create a link between himself and his target)) had a few ideas as to the applications of certain powers listed but not all have to strictly take place in the body as he could simply prepare a bunch of stuff beforehand etc.

There is also a power called Blood Matter State Manipulation, which allows user to change their blood into to another state of matter (Liquid to Gas to Solid) which is a sub power of blood manipulation and blood property manipulation.

This ability would allow say for example to change toxic blood from a liquid into a gas after it leaves his body creating a toxic gas cloud. Another it changing it from a liquid to a solid to form weapons (which is viable considering there is trace minerals in the blood that would make such constructs durable enough weapons)

Plus, the blood doesn't necessarily have to be in his body in order for it to work as he could modify it using his prana once it's outside his own body or prepare weapons and things beforehand as well.
 
I think {Deadman Wonderland} is a nice blood powers source?

Also, blood consists of many things, water, salt ions, proteins... Cells. I think weaponized leukocytes are very Magi thing to do. (Weaponized and improved immune system in general, actually. Maybe a projection of immune system into immaterial would allow him to get his Magic Resistance higher than most?) Basically, if leukocytes are used, he can use them as familiars that eat everything on their path...
 
aryana98 said:
I think {Deadman Wonderland} is a nice blood powers source?

Also, blood consists of many things, water, salt ions, proteins... Cells. I think weaponized leukocytes are very Magi thing to do. (Weaponized and improved immune system in general, actually. Maybe a projection of immune system into immaterial would allow him to get his Magic Resistance higher than most?) Basically, if leukocytes are used, he can use them as familiars that eat everything on their path...
You`re idea opens some interesting avenues. The immune system is pretty destructive. If Levi could weaponize it that would be great. It tends to destroy anything it considers foreign. If Levi can set up an AOE-like spell that tries to destroy what Levi designates as foreign or an enemy he could increase his firepower by quite a bit. Even if it didn`t do a lot of damage a wide range bleeding effect (can`t remember proper term) would greatly help him and the other players.
 
Immune system is also capable to memorize the things it encountered, which also can be applied. Like, a mystery which allows Levi to gain resistance to already encountered spells. (Stupidly useful for farming mobs)
 
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