Gamestop Retro Sale

[KageX]

Gamestop has begun their Retro Sale.

Used PS1, Dreamcast, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, and N64 are all on sale with a smattering of some of the most famous games for these systems.

Personally I am interested in the PS1 games due to the fact that PS3 can still play any PS1 Discs.

To any RPG fans I strongly suggest you take a look as the games featured in this sale are going for a hell of a lot less then they are on Amazon or any other site.

Now if you will excuse me I am going to get Star Ocean the Second Story for 19.99.

I am tempted to get the two Lunar games, but the first is 29.99, and the second 49.99.

And I am strapped for cash.

 

[Contrabardus]

Gamestop has begun their Retro Sale.

Used PS1, Dreamcast, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, and N64 are all on sale with a smattering of some of the most famous games for these systems.

Personally I am interested in the PS1 games due to the fact that PS3 can still play any PS1 Discs.

To any RPG fans I strongly suggest you take a look as the games featured in this sale are going for a hell of a lot less then they are on Amazon or any other site.

Now if you will excuse me I am going to get Star Ocean the Second Story for 19.99.

I am tempted to get the two Lunar games, but the first is 29.99, and the second 49.99.

And I am strapped for cash.

The PS3 can -not- play any old PS1 disk unless you have one of the launch beast PS3 systems. It had the hardware of the PS2 inside of it, which also played PS1 games due to the fact that the PS2 had the hardware for the PS1 in it. The launch PS3 therefore has the hardware elements of all three systems in it, which is why it is backwards compatible with every PS game. Every version of the PS3 after the launch edition had those hardware elements removed.

If you try to put a PS1 disk into any other PS3 besides the fat launch editions, you'll be sorely disappointed. Fair warning.

Source: I still have a working launch PS3 and have tried putting PS1 disks into the newer versions of the system that belong to others. PS1 disks only work in the fat one, some PS2 disks will work in the newer ones, but not all of them.

They also run like crap in the newer versions of the system when they do work because the newer versions use software emulation and not hardware emulation like the launch systems have.

So, as a PSA, don't buy any PS1 or PS2 on disk games expecting to play them on the PS3 unless you are still using one of the fat launch systems. They don't work, and if they do actually run, they run like absolute crap. If you have any of the versions of the system beyond the launch version, you're better off just getting the digital download versions of PS1 or PS2 games off of PSN. They run in custom shell programs that work a lot better than software emulation that the disks run on.

 

[KageX]

Gamestop has begun their Retro Sale.

Used PS1, Dreamcast, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, and N64 are all on sale with a smattering of some of the most famous games for these systems.

Personally I am interested in the PS1 games due to the fact that PS3 can still play any PS1 Discs.

To any RPG fans I strongly suggest you take a look as the games featured in this sale are going for a hell of a lot less then they are on Amazon or any other site.

Now if you will excuse me I am going to get Star Ocean the Second Story for 19.99.

I am tempted to get the two Lunar games, but the first is 29.99, and the second 49.99.

And I am strapped for cash.

The PS3 can -not- play any old PS1 disk unless you have one of the launch beast PS3 systems. It had the hardware of the PS2 inside of it, which also played PS1 games due to the fact that the PS2 had the hardware for the PS1 in it. The launch PS3 therefore has the hardware elements of all three systems in it, which is why it is backwards compatible with every PS game. Every version of the PS3 after the launch edition had those hardware elements removed.

If you try to put a PS1 disk into any other PS3 besides the fat launch editions, you'll be sorely disappointed. Fair warning.

Source: I still have a working launch PS3 and have tried putting PS1 disks into the newer versions of the system that belong to others. PS1 disks only work in the fat one, some PS2 disks will work in the newer ones, but not all of them.

They also run like crap in the newer versions of the system when they do work because the newer versions use software emulation and not hardware emulation like the launch systems have.

So, as a PSA, don't buy any PS1 or PS2 on disk games expecting to play them on the PS3 unless you are still using one of the fat launch systems. They don't work, and if they do actually run, they run like absolute crap. If you have any of the versions of the system beyond the launch version, you're better off just getting the digital download versions of PS1 or PS2 games off of PSN. They run in custom shell programs that work a lot better than software emulation that the disks run on.

Actually it's not just the launch edition the PS1 Disks work on.

All models are meant to have backwards compatibility with PS1 Disks, though I have heard of issues with some of the more recent "Super Slim" versions that came after the first slim one. But they are exceptions to the rule.

And they are still generally better then on PS2 or PS1, as due to most modern TV's changing screen format using the old cables for these systems makes them look like crap. Unless you play a PS1 disk on a PS3 you need to get an HDMI Adapter (which is a thing for both PS1, PS2 an a lot of other older systems) or it will look at the best "slightly off" and the worst "absolute crap".

However while not as good as an HDMI Adapter using the launch edition PS3 cables does give a noticeable increase in picture quality over the original PS2 cables.

 

[Contrabardus]

Looking into it further, it seems that they are more compatible than I had originally thought.

I did try using a few game disks that didn't work. Ghostbusters the Video Game for the PS2, Red Faction, and Wipout 3, all of which failed on the newer PS3s but ran fine on the old one. Several others had massive glitches and bugs, and a few were really, really slow. Wild Arms 3 freezes frequently, Unreal has sound issues, shadows often disappear in games, and random artifacts appear, etc.

None of the numerous games I tried on newer PS3's have worked worth a damn, most of them were PS2 titles. They all had some form of glaring issue though.

It's worth noting that it's not all older games, but there is a sizable number that just plain don't work, and a great many have unknown compatibility. The software emulation often causes glitches and issues even when a game does work, horrid loading times, and even in games that run well often stutter and slow down.

The only version that doesn't have these issues is the launch PS3 because it has the hardware in it to run the games. All other versions use software emulation which is why they are unreliable.

You're still better off buying the downloads in the custom shells from PSN just for reliability's sake.

The only time I'd recommend using an actual physical disk is when there's no other option available for a particular game, and if that is the case be prepared for disappointment and emulation issues. The only exception to this is with games you already own. It's worth trying to save a few bucks if you've already got the disk, just expect issues when playing. It's just a question of whether or not the issues break the game or not for you.

Outside of the launch edition with the hardware in it, in my experience the PS3 has the worst implementation of 'backwards compatibility' out of any console that has had it as a feature. It works, but barely so.

 

[Altered Nova]

Dude, you really need to pay closer attention to the posts you are replying to. They are talking about original PS1 games, which all PS3 models can play. It's only PS2 games that have spotty backwards compatibility. Here's the breakdown:

Launch edition PS3s (CECHBxx and CECHAxx models) have hardware-based PS2 backwards compatibility. They can play all PS1 and PS2 games as they basically have actual physical PS2s inside them.

Second wave PS3s (CECHCxx and CECHExx models) have partial software-based PS2 backwards compatibility. They can play all PS1 and PS2 games (as far as I am aware) but PS2 emulation is buggier than launch edition PS3s.

All other models of PS3s still have software-based PS1 backwards compatibility, but PS2 emulation was removed completely to cut production costs.

 

[Contrabardus]

Dude, you really need to pay closer attention to the posts you are replying to. They are talking about original PS1 games, which all PS3 models can play. It's only PS2 games that have spotty backwards compatibility. Here's the breakdown:

Launch edition PS3s (CECHBxx and CECHAxx models) have hardware-based PS2 backwards compatibility. They can play all PS1 and PS2 games as they basically have actual physical PS2s inside them.

Second wave PS3s (CECHCxx and CECHExx models) have partial software-based PS2 backwards compatibility. They can play all PS1 and PS2 games (as far as I am aware) but PS2 emulation is buggier than launch edition PS3s.

All other models of PS3s still have software-based PS1 backwards compatibility, but PS2 emulation was removed completely to cut production costs.

I didn't say they couldn't and I'm not the only one who needs to pay attention. Or rather I did originally and then corrected that after more information was pointed out to me. I've tried PS1 games on the newer systems, Wipeout 3 does not run, and several others ran like shit. I stand by what I said. I didn't say that backwards compatibility didn't work outside of my first post. I said that the emulation in the newer versions of the system is shit, and it is.

"Can Play" is actually more like "Can Run, and are maybe playable on a case by case basis".

PS1 emulation is shit on all models of the PS3 but the launch version. Wipeout 3 is a PS1 game and does not work on newer versions of the system, and there are several other PS1 games that don't, load times are increased for most games, and glitches are apparent throughout both PS1 and PS2 titles, particularly freezes. There are a lot of PS1 games with unknown compatibility as well.

I'll grant that the PS2 emulation is worse, but the PS1 emulation is spotty as well and unreliable. Gamers with newer systems are better off getting the PSN versions that have been tweaked individually to run well, they have much better load times and are less prone to glitches and freezes. That goes for PS1 or PS2 games.

 

[Shirotsume]

Just gonna mention, those prices are straight terrible, and old game refurb isn't hard at all.


I say this as someone that owns a literal magnitude more game consoles that are 'retro' than are current.

 

[atlas_hugged]

No kidding. When I can buy modern games for the fraction of the cost of the old games they're offering, that isn't a sale, that's a scam. Even accepting that their rarity drives prices up, a cursory look at Ebay shows that you can still get the games about 40% cheaper than what Gamestop is charging.

Or you could just set up an Emulator.