General fanfiction pet-peeves

zerohour

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#26
All the pet peeves listed are the symptoms, rather than the disease.

All of these boil down to basically the same thing:

Lack of talent, intelligence, or common sense.

A lot of the peeves you mentioned can be done well, assuming the writer has the aforementioned qualities.

Examples:

Chapter Introductions: If they are put at the end of the chapter, and act as a preview, I think they would be acceptable. You're not obligated to read it since you don't have to worry about the chapter suddenly beginning. It works fairly well for collections of oneshots, as long as teh author can exercise some taste. Author's notes can be important, but I agree that most of them shoudl be either kept on the profile page or at the very least relegated to the very end so those who care nothing about it can skip/ignore it.

Admittance of bad summary: Somewhat excusable, since some people have difficulty writing short and concise sentences, or just don't feel they can properly sum up their fic in 3 sentences. The former I know a guy who has this BAD (I'm talking wrote 10x over the word limit bad) and considering that most series have 2-3 paragraphs to summarize it on the back, I think that feeling your summary is poor is inevitable.

Bashing: Love Hina was effectively a giant bash fic for a significant portion of it, but a lot of us enjoyed it, because it was done well. Keitaro got his ass kicked on a regular basis for almost no reason at all, but we didn't mind because there is interaction beyond kicking teh crap out of him, and the girls slowly start recognizing him as more than just a punching bag.

Random Author's Notes: One of my favorite books, Good Omens had TONS of these. It pulled it off well because of several factors:

1. They weren't inserted into the story, they were put at the bottom of the page so people could look if they wanted, or ignore it.

2. Right setting. If it was a serious story, I would probably have been annoyed by them but since it was meant to be amusing, ti worked out well.

3. They were entertaining.


Pointless replacement:
This generally signifies a reluctance to deviate too far from canon, since they either don't have enough confidence to do anything way out there, or that they are concerned with diehard fans getting pissed off when things way, WAY out there start happening. An author always has to weigh the two sides of it, and most people who write fanfiction err on the side of caution.


A good way to get revenge: Save the crappy fics and PM/E-mail them to the author 3-5 years later, once they've had the chance to develop a brain. If they read it, the mortification and shame ought to serve as some form of payback for thei rcrappy writing.
 

Frank Cadena

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#27
Good suggestion Zerohour. I think I have a few crappy fics that I got during the 90s onwards archived on my old computer. Maybe I should e-mail them... hmmmmm....
 

foesjoe

Well-Known Member
#28
Frank Cadena said:
Another pet peeve that just jumped into my face reading a new fic today. An unexplainable, dominating OC that takes away the focus from the main character, known as a Mary Sue. I was reading a House story and suddenly another character just appears that somehow symphatises with House no matter how abrasive house is and suddenly House is actually liking her but trying to push her away, unbelievably I might add, and by that part I stopped reading.
God, most House fics are pretty crappy.

And what's with the abuse fetish in that fandom? I think 1/5th of all stories in the House fandom have a character either raped, stabbed, shot, or beaten half to death. Most of the time it's Cameron, and then House nurses her back to health.

House. Because he's the nurturing, sit by your bedside kind of person. Excuse me while I simultaneously laugh and cry at you and your story.

And these stories always end up with House and whoever got raped/stabbed/shot/beat up living happily ever after. Boring! I say Boring!

But you're right, the OCs taking over the stage is a pretty common phenomenon in House fanfiction. Maybe it's because House can only be paired up with a Mary-Sue. Everybody else would run away from him. :p

Personally, I'd like to see more of Cate, that psychiatrist who was stuck at the North Pole. I've found only one story with her as a main character that's half-way decent.
 

H-Man

Random phantom.
#29
House is an asstard, therefore he's wearing leather pants.

(What's with people's fascination with leather pants, anyway?)

So, peeves... how about those annoying pretentious morons who use their fanfiction as some sort of Large Hamlet Monologue?

One particular example is a NaruHina writer who insists in making his stories be a dissertation about things from our world that may not necessarily have the same origin and that are pretty much not serving a point besides 'woo, look at me, I'm S-M-R-T!...wait...'. (And a 'Chouji has a runny nose' fetish, I believe.) When he's not writing that, however, he writes all those fics about fanfiction and how only he doesn't suck.

Do I *really* need to have the fourth wall destroyed like that for no reason?
 

SotF

Well-Known Member
#30
With fic on FF.net, the opening discussion sections are often used as a way to work on a disclaimer and let people know of other changes that need to be known before starting.

And with misspellings, consistent ones don't annoy me as much, because it is often a case of them thinking they have the right one. It's happened to me when I was using on of the early Buffy novels for spellings only to find out an error in that printing run of them.
 
#31
My biggest peeve is when a character is suddenly pissed about something, THEY BREAK OUT THE CAPSLOCK OF DOOM! And they usually do it with really bad spelling and grammar too. Way to ruin the effect, you hack of an author.

!!! gets on my nerves too. One exclamation point followed by a "s/he shouted/yelled/verb-of-choice" is enough.
 
#32
I hate when people put together two incompatable series together in a crossover, such as House and Harry Potter. I was incredibly suprised those fics existed when I saw it.
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#33
One I've been meaning to mention, and keep forgetting.

Authors that every couple weeks edit or update an existing chapter of a story in some minor insignifigant way. I do not know if it is the end goal or not, but this tends on the larger archives like FanFiction.NET and MediaMiner.ORG to move a story to the top of the list.

A variation on this is posting the same story as two different stories, and alternate which one is updated.

An example of this might be a couple stories by antvasima on Mediaminer.ORG. Nabiki and Ranma - Together 4ever. This current time seems dubiously a legitimate one, as a omake was added. But most of the other times in the last several months have not been any new content, just enough tweaks to return it to the top.
 
#34
Stories that reveal that everything (one/many/all of) the main character(s) ever said or did was a lie and that s/he was secretly orchestrating everything from behind the scenes or was just waiting to do something completely opposite to his/her canon character.

Especially aggravating in crossovers, when one side is suddenly nothing more than OCs with the names of the series characters tacked on.
 

violetshadows

Well-Known Member
#35
Revenge fics, they're like bashfics with a plot that was scooped off the sidewalk with a plastic bag.
 

grant

Well-Known Member
#36
Fics that completely miss the point of the setting. Admittedly bashing GW fics and the like is shamefully easy, but it proves the point nicely.
Take a 'verse created to for an antiwar theme and where the (very) few hints of romance are platonic, then remove all of that and replace it with a destiny of two or more fourteen year old soldiers to become BDSM lovers who happen to be so far from the characters they have been named for that they might as well be OCs.

Next stop, Harry Potter. Take a story about three children who have a close friendship and ability to somehow work together to defeat the current Big Bad, tear all that away and replace with a Gary Stu (generally blond) half-whatever whose main purpose is either to romance a girl that in-canon he's best friends/despises/barely even know exists, or enter into a homosexual BDSM relationship with someone else who is definitely under the age of consent.

Code Geass. Take a series based on the ideas of rebelling against an unjust system (which admittedly is a repeat of Evil American Empire), mixed with two male characters that are (IN-FREAKING-CANON for crying out loud) heterosexual, chop off the politics, show how they were "in denial" and make a nice couple based on consensual rape whatever the hell that is.

Two minutes on FFnet reminded me of yet another example. Haruhi Suzumiya. Take a story of the antics of an eccentric and unaware goddess, narrated by a young man who she may or may not be in love with and is certainly interested in another young lady, all of whom are part of a nakama group. Get rid of that and decide the one main character we know almost nothing about is homosexual and that in reality the narrator is also homosexual. Or in what was originally an almost clever way around the inherent problems, decide that the goddess was a yaoi fangirl, thereby creating a justification for the situation but still keeping the narrator unwilling

Yes, I am fully aware that there are many good fics out there that don't really use the original setting but keep the names of the characters anyway. I have read many of them. I am also aware that there are many fics that fit my complaint that are not slash fics. My response to any author that I haven't mentally exempted or any fic that isn't explicitly PWP, what was the point of using these characters? The exact same thing could have been done with any character.
 

Hypothesis

Well-Known Member
#37
Is a month necroing?

Anyway, my pet peeves are the use of unimaginative dialogue tags. It may not be script format but having a full page of nothing but "blah, blah" Daniel said. "blah, blah" Jack said. annoys me mightily. It does not take that much effort to spice things up a little and therefore prevent eye strain from reading the same thing over and over.

The use of l33t speak. Don't do it. Please.

Transporting anachronistic technology into a universe for the sole purpose of giving the characters the means to text message or chat with each other online. I highly doubt that Kenshin would have a cellphone.

Chapter long shopping trips. Unless it is a plot point in which someone is snipered or mugged, I don't want to sit through fashion discussions or angst about the credit card limit.

Invoking the Rule of Cool without adequate build up. Don't give an American a katana just because. Please explain plausibly why this highschool boy in America would carry a katana around without being thrown into the back of a police car.

I'm done.
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#38
Transporting anachronistic technology into a universe for the sole purpose of giving the characters the means to text message or chat with each other online. I highly doubt that Kenshin would have a cellphone.
Sniggers... some technological animes really flub the use of technology.

A example... Starship Operators, which I happened to like, has one item that annoys me. The use of common now cell phones for texting and talking.

Ok... they have their uses, late in show they use them to get off of a space station. But early in series we see them being used to text and email people 5 feet away or at next table in a cafeteria.

So instead of taking 5 seconds to say hi, will you be their, yes, we see multiple typed messages being sent and recieved to get the same premise over a much longer period.

Bleagh... I hate cell phones, pagers, texting, and beepers. People do not use them right.
 

LightGuard

Well-Known Member
#39
Wow, this is another month jump.

Completely random Yaoi pairings. Especially in a crossover. For example: Over on Twisting the Hellmouth, Xander seems to enjoy the taste of man more than any other female EVER.

Don't even get me started when you change from Canon pairings. I enjoy CSI, and Gil being in a relationship with either Sarah or Lady Heather. Those are fine, and if Gil really did like Doc Robbins or Horatio that way, well, that's fine too. However, if you're just going to stick them together "Because I like it", please, please put a disclaimer in your summary (or choose Alt+F4 and don't save)!

Example, again, Twisting the Hellmouth. Was reading a perfectly good CSI/BTVS crossover where Willow or Xander fucked up with magic. Okay, Baby Xander goes to Vegas, fine. I can deal. DNA testing? Sure, why not. Having him share DNA with Gil and Mac Taylor of CSI: NY? Pushing it... Having everyone's favorite CSI Lab Rat Greg and Danny from CSI: NY in an alternative relationship? What the hell? Someone point out how they could have anything in common!

Spelling pisses me off. Nothing ruins a good Tenchi fic like "The Misaki residence?" So...it's Lady Misaki's home, if you're doing the OVA dance? *BZZT* We're done. <Back Button>

Finally, if you're going to take some cool Western character, like Deadpool, and shove him in with an Eastern character, like Inuyasha, please for the love of God give it a plot that actually involves both, rather than substituting a wise-ass disfigured crazy man for the perverted monk.
 
#40
Ok, I'm in a somewhat torqued mood from work; I think I'll contribute to this thread.

I find it pathetic that an author is so jealous of an illustration's interaction on paper or film with another illustration that they simply MUST punish that drawing! For that's what anime and manga characters physically are after all, illustrations and nothing more. Even if the 'offending' drawing was removed, you still can't have the one you want! Not real people! Ink and paper only!

I find it horribly irritating to start a fic with what looks like a promising story only to get a few pages in and have all the names stay the same but the characterization suddenly becomes something completely alien to the canon for that universe. I can live with a degree of OOCness if the setting is simply too different from the canon to allow some things to stay the same. Lets be real, a magical medieval fantasy setting using the gang from 'Cowboy Bebop' is going to force a change or two! But to stay in the same general universe and suddenly have Spike spouting 'peace and flowers' dialog is sincerely out of line!

We probably shouldn't revisit the issues raised when an OC usurps the canon lead's place either. Like him or hate him, Kira Yamato is the canon hero of Gundam Seed/Destiny. Replacing him with your own character simply does not cut it. Wherever you may think you are at that point, inside the SEED universe isn't it.

It has been noted that a lot of fanish work is done by authors who are - at least mentally - right around 15. And this is the downside of the chance the Net provides for any idiot to toss the dogflop from the back yard out there and call it a story. I am hoping someday the ubiquitous but never named 'They' will get around to creating a filter one can set to sieve through the glop for the gems buried in it. Not holding my breath mind you. But, lord it would be nice to have!!
 

Hypothesis

Well-Known Member
#41
Came across something else that is now a pet peeve of mine: Large Ham Writing. It's unintentionally humourous for about two minutes and after that I click the back button. What do I mean by large ham writing?

He turned around but suddenly the man appeared right in front of him! There was nothing he could do! He was going to die!
Alternately known as over punctuation and abuse of exclamation marks.
 

Godogma

Well-Known Member
#42
A point which I have rediscovered that I hate - those authors that seem to think hiding Slash from the reader initially is a good thing then springing it on them. Thankfully on Twisting the Hellmouth the staff actually does something about it when you report that sort of thing. Fanfiction.net on the other hand seems to have no established rules on that - and also doesn't even possess a Slash filter of any kind.

Has anyone ever found one? I'd be most pleased if you informed me if there is.
 

Mercsenary

Well-Known Member
#43
Godogma said:
A point which I have rediscovered that I hate - those authors that seem to think hiding Slash from the reader initially is a good thing then springing it on them. Thankfully on Twisting the Hellmouth the staff actually does something about it when you report that sort of thing. Fanfiction.net on the other hand seems to have no established rules on that - and also doesn't even possess a Slash filter of any kind.

Has anyone ever found one? I'd be most pleased if you informed me if there is.
Nope and if you bring it up on Ff.net you would probably be labeled as a homophobic bastard.
 

Hypothesis

Well-Known Member
#44
Mercsenary said:
Godogma said:
A point which I have rediscovered that I hate - those authors that seem to think hiding Slash from the reader initially is a good thing then springing it on them. Thankfully on Twisting the Hellmouth the staff actually does something about it when you report that sort of thing. Fanfiction.net on the other hand seems to have no established rules on that - and also doesn't even possess a Slash filter of any kind.

Has anyone ever found one? I'd be most pleased if you informed me if there is.
Nope and if you bring it up on Ff.net you would probably be labeled as a homophobic bastard.
Wow, seriously? That is rather pathetic and sad for multiple reasons. Surpriz!buttsecks is not a hallmark of good writing, period. But I guess when dealing with fangirls who will defend their improbable gays to the very last breath, little things such as professionalism won't bother them.
 

grant

Well-Known Member
#45
Characters who are fairly clearly irredeemable monsters, yet people still insist on fiction showing them to be better than anyone else in the series.

Case Example 1.

Bellatrix Lestrange (Harry Potter): She is shown to be a murderess, likes to torture people until they are driven insane, and after her boss got blown away she didn't even make the pretense of being under brain control because she is so psychotically evil. Despite this the amount of fiction that either completely ignores this or decides that she was under brain control flourish, usually with a theme of springing Potter from jail. Admittedly I haven't read the last two books, but if she was somehow redeemed in them my rage will reach a new high.

Case Example 2.

Sephiroth (FFVII): A soldier who goes insane after discovering his mothers nature and decides to kill everything on a planet, with one of the most pivotal scenes in the game being his murder of Aeris. In the movie Advent Children he asks Cloud who is most precious to him so he can kill them. Despite this the sheer amount of SIs and OCs who he falls in love with probably makes up more of the fics than Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aeris combined.

Case Example 3.

Creed (Black Cat): An assassin who hated the idea of Train leaving his killing ways so much that he went to kill the woman who was changing Train and has pretty much been on a killing spree since then. I suggest that you measure all the Creed/Train fanfiction out there and then compare it to all other Train/anyone female fanfiction.

Case Example 4.
Pinhead (Every Hellraiser movie) I don't think I really need to go over what kind of a person he is, go to Youtube and go through a few scenes from any one of the movies. Suffice to say that in a dictionary his name should be next to Psychotic, Sadist, Murderer, Torture, Pain, Evil and just about any other word to mean bad. I found a fic where apparently he meets a nice Mary Sue and becomes an angel.
 

Mercsenary

Well-Known Member
#46
grant said:
Case Example 4.
Pinhead (Every Hellraiser movie) I don't think I really need to go over what kind of a person he is, go to Youtube and go through a few scenes from any one of the movies. Suffice to say that in a dictionary his name should be next to Psychotic, Sadist, Murderer, Torture, Pain, Evil and just about any other word to mean bad. I found a fic where apparently he meets a nice Mary Sue and becomes an angel.
Pinhead. Suffice to say that in a dictionary his name should be next to Psychotic, Sadist, Murderer, Torture, Pain, Evil. I found a fic where apparently he meets a nice Mary Sue and becomes an angel.
Pinhead. I found a fic where apparently he meets a nice Mary Sue and becomes an angel.
Pinhead. becomes an angel
Pinhead. Angel.
What... WHAT THE FUCK!? Seriously? It has to be a joke. A parody, a satire. There can not be any way that is a serious fic. What kind of perosn would see Hellraiser and think, "You know what Pinhead needs? A girl friend. And then they could have a house and two kids and dog and call him Mr. fluffy and become an angel and blah blah blah."
 

grant

Well-Known Member
#47
There are people who think that Adolph Freaking Nuts Hitler was a good person, ignoring the whole "Final Solution" problem. There are several million Russians who feel that Joseph Starve 'Em All Stalin was the greatest Russian in the nations history, sidestepping the entire 20-some million killed. And yes, there are people creepy enough to write to Clive Barker about how they want to carry Pinheads child. I really don't have much faith in humans to make intelligent decisions, and if there is a god I'm just waiting for the angels to come and turn the planet into a giant ball of salt.
 

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
#48
grant said:
There are people who think that Adolph Freaking Nuts Hitler was a good person, ignoring the whole "Final Solution" problem. There are several million Russians who feel that Joseph Starve 'Em All Stalin was the greatest Russian in the nations history, sidestepping the entire 20-some million killed. And yes, there are people creepy enough to write to Clive Barker about how they want to carry Pinheads child. I really don't have much faith in humans to make intelligent decisions, and if there is a god I'm just waiting for the angels to come and turn the planet into a giant ball of salt.
I can give credit to Germany on one point only. They took a war ravaged country post WWI, and in a little over 10 years after starting, turned it into a world power.

As for their crimes and methods though... no.

And please... let us not turn this into soem huge debate on it.
 

Croaker

Well-Known Member
#49
Bellatrix Lestrange (Harry Potter): She is shown to be a murderess, likes to torture people until they are driven insane, and after her boss got blown away she didn't even make the pretense of being under brain control because she is so psychotically evil. Despite this the amount of fiction that either completely ignores this or decides that she was under brain control flourish, usually with a theme of springing Potter from jail. Admittedly I haven't read the last two books, but if she was somehow redeemed in them my rage will reach a new high.
No, just neutered.

I think in-line author's notes could be done well (see: Terry Pratchett), but it would have to be comedy (see previous) and the author would have to know what they were doing.

My biggest peeve is AU/Divergence fics that... don't. Like, something drastic will change the main character or whatever, but other than that it's straight up canon.
A Harry Potter example because it demonstrates this perfectly: Harry somehow got some of Voldemort's memories in 1981, and regularly dreams them. But canon happens.
Wut.
Edit: And the dreaded high school AU doesn't count as good here. :|
 

Hypothesis

Well-Known Member
#50
Croaker said:
Edit: And the dreaded high school AU doesn't count as good here. :|
I don't think those even count as AU's so much as they are original fiction that questionably attach canon names to people. Where on earth is the justification for that kind of fic? If its Harry Potter, there's no magic. If its Avatar, there's no bending. Just some strange half baked plot that shoves whoever the Die-For-My-Ship author wants together. WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT!?
 
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