Gods vs Titans

Lord Raine

Well-Known Member
#1
00:41 LR I am concieving of a world
00:41 Ryomu That's a lot of sex.
00:41 LR Where there is a war, not between Angels and Demons, or between Good and Evil
00:41 LR But between the gods and the titans
00:41 LR Some of which are good, and some of which are evil
00:42 Ryomu Are we talking Grecian gods and titans?
00:42 LR The world the gods promise is free of the 'imperfections' of the world of the titans. They speak of immortal cities paved in gold, and of feasts of milk and honey
00:43 LR The world the titans promise is flawed, but it is self-sustaining. The world will endure forever, as will the mortal races, if they can care a place for themselves within it. It is a harsh place, a wild place, but a place of beauty and utter fairness.
00:44 LR The Titans created a world. The gods rebelled against their fathers and mothers to recreate it to their ideals.
00:44 LR So
00:44 LR Who do you side with?
00:44 LR This setting
00:44 LR Is Druid vs Cleric
00:45 Ryomu I'd play.
00:45 LR Druids and Sorcerers aligned with the Titans, and Clerics and Wizards aligned with the Gods
00:45 Chaos341 Titans yo
00:45 Chaos341 Fuck perfection
00:46 Ryomu Personally? Titans.
00:46 LR Titans for me too
00:47 LR This is basically a magic centric campagin, with a focus on divine magic
00:47 LR You 'can' play a Fighter if you want. I wouldn't stop you
00:49 LR But wouldn't it be much more fun to play a monk who follows the path of the Hundred Handers, the unassailable titans who could not be defeated by any mortal or immortal in personal combat? Mimicking the form, replicating the style, the gods and their slaves shall learn to fear the Thousand Palms Blow?
00:49 Ryomu Yes.
00:50 LR Through sheer speed and skill, two fists become one hundred
00:50 Chaos341 Also aren't fighters kinda gimped in epic level combat?
00:50 LR That is some choice shit in my book
00:50 Chaos341 Read Shatterpoint again huh?
00:50 LR I haven't read it again, but that doesn't make it any less awesome
00:51 Ina heh
00:51 Ryomu What do followers of the gods do?
00:51 Ryomu *get to do?
00:52 LR They believe the gods perfectly represent whatever it is they happen to represent (Magic, Law, Chaos, Good, ect), and either worship that fact, or attempt to replicate it in themselves by becoming more like their god.
00:52 Ryomu Sorry, misspoke.
00:52 LR Clerics of Heronious seek to become more like the ideal Heronious represents
00:53 LR And so forth
00:53 Ryomu What's the god-following equivalent of monk?
00:53 Chaos341 A god following monk?
00:53 Chaos341 Just some different focuses
00:53 LR A monk that trains themselves with the express goal of transcending and becoming more like a god.
00:53 Chaos341 Depending on the god
00:54 Ryomu Let's set this shit up.
00:54 LR The 20th level Monk that follows a Titan would argue that they Transcended at 20th because they proved themselves worthy of it
00:54 Ryomu Seriously, I want to play.
00:54 LR The 20th level Monk that follows a God would argue that they Transcended at 20th because they became enough like their God that they became like-a-god themselves
00:55 LR Same result, two different philosophies on why, two different paths to get there.
00:57 LR So 20th level Godserving Monks say they did it because they became a sort of quasi-demi-god, while the 20th level Titanfollowing Monks say it happened because they made themselves so in-tune with themselves and the universe that the Titans created that the line between the two blurred
00:58 Chaos341 And neither diverges for what a monk *is*
00:58 LR Exactly. Functionally, no difference. In terms of flavor, they're almost two different classes altogether
00:58 Chaos341 I wonder how fucked up a monk of Myrkul would be
01:00 LR There would also be a bunch of kickass setting-specific feats, like Titanforged Soul, where you allow a Titan to touch your soul and unlock it's innate potential, and Godwrought, which gives a perfection bonus to your saves because your patron literally reforged you with divine magic
01:02 LR I'd also like to stress that this is not a contest between good and evil
01:02 LR There are good gods and evil gods, good titans and evil titans.
01:02 Chaos341 Naturally
01:02 Chaos341 This is a battle of conflicting ideologies
01:02 Ryomu Again, I want to play this.
01:02 LR There are Paladins on both sides of the conflict
01:02 LR And Blackguards, for that matter.
01:02 LR Assassins serve the Titans and the Gods
01:03 Ryomu Let's write a rulebook and release it.
01:03 Chaos341 Pretty plain to say that thus will be 3.5 given your hate of 4
01:04 LR And of course, this raises a lot of interesting problems on it's own, like what happens when a Paladin of a Good God bumps into a Paladin of a Good Titan
01:04 Chaos341 One could say that their quest for the perfect world the gods promise can justify the fight
01:06 LR Right. So you end up with something of a minor violation of the core rules, in that Good characters can end up (reluctantly) fighting other Good characters
01:06 LR I would argue that as being considerably more realistic than all Good forces being, at worst, neutral towards each other
01:06 LR Sometimes the good guys end up on opposite sides of the fence, and that's not necessarily because either of them is wrong
01:06 Chaos341 You could also create a scenario where the two good guy are fighting and a blackguard pops in to watch and kill the winner
01:07 Chaos341 And a prompt temporary team up to kill the blackguard insues
01:07 LR And then the good guys wind up in a dilemma. Do they keep fighting, or join against the Blackguard because he's evil? But since there's two of them, one of them must be on the same side as the Blackguard, so there's 'that' issue to deal with as well
01:08 Ryomu Out of curiosity, could atheists actually exist in this setting?
01:08 LR The "fuck the divine" faction would probably exist.
01:08 Chaos341 Yup and they end up a mortar in the Wall
01:08 Chaos341 as*
01:09 LR They would be capable of existing because while they personally may hate both the gods and the titans, the titans don't /mind/ if they're hated. Their method of 'ruling the universe' is hands-off.
01:09 LR So while ideologically speaking, they're a party unto themselves, cosmologically speaking, they would fall under the blanket of the titans, because the titans would probably appreciate that sort of initiative being shown by mortals
01:10 Ryomu Do the titans/gods actually take a physical form and walk amongst mortals?
01:11 LR Which would likely piss off some of the atheists, but then again, the more pragmatic among them would likely realize that if it wasn't for the fact that the titans didn't dislike them for their choice to not believe in any of this, they would have probably been destroyed by the Godservants long ago
01:12 Ryomu That is, is it actually *possible* to not believe in the divine?
01:12 LR So most atheists would probably prefer pure strength of arms and vanilla magic, and shun divine magic as corruptions
01:13 Chaos341 I am pretty sure you can acknowledge their existence after seeing them walk by
01:13 Chaos341 Unless you have your head really deep in the sand
01:13 LR No, not really. It's actually mentioned in core D&D that a 'true' atheist basically has to be a dumbass, because you can go into any city and find a Cleric who can do miracles on demand. The Atheist in D&D is typically described as someone who either hates all the gods, or as someone who chooses to believe them as being nothing more than Outsiders with delusi
01:13 LR delusions of grandeur
01:13 Ryomu Thank you.
01:14 LR So the Atheist in this setting would basically be the same. Either they hate all the gods and titans and say fuck you to all of it, or just view them as being powerful manifestations of magic and cosmic energy that have deluded themselves into believing they're responsible for everything
01:15 Chaos341 Even then they root for the titans if they are fucking sane
01:15 Chaos341 Because having your soul turned into mortar and crushed and tortured forever just fucking blows
01:16 Chaos341 Mask of the Betrayer showed that quite well
01:16 Ryomu This should be posted in the TFF RPGs section.
And thus, the basic gist of it. This is a setting where the primary conflict is not between Good and Evil, or even the (supposedly) more edgy Law and Chaos. This is a conflict between the Titans, creators of the universe, and the Gods, the children of the Titans. The Titans want to keep the universe the way they designed it, harsh but fair, where all life struggles, but they claim becomes the stronger and better for it. The Gods, on the other hand, reject this world and the methods of the Titans as flawed, and seek perfection, remaking the world in their image.

In this setting, cooperation between disparate alignments that might otherwise be in constant conflict is commonplace, and the difficult questions, like how a Paladin should respond when meeting another Paladin on the field of battle, are not so clear-cut. A Chaotic Good Sorcerer might find themselves in the temporary service of a Lawful Evil Titan while their normal patron is otherwise occupied, and a Paladin might find themselves choosing between fighting a fellow Paladin or allying with a Blackguard.

Some general themes:

To the Gods, mortals are at best viewed as beloved servants, and at worst as pawns to be manipulated and discarded. To the Titans, mortals are at best viewed as grandchildren and part of a vast family of creation, and at worst as no more worthwhile than pond scum or a rock, things to be defended on principle only, and not for any practical value.

The ultimate goal of the Gods is to make the universe perfect and have all mortals emulate them in vast eternal cities ruled over by the divine. The ultimate goal of the Titans is to allow mortal life to develop on it's own, and choose it's own fate in a world that is balanced and enriched both spiritually and elementally. The Gods wish to rule directly, and are hands-on. The Titans are content to live apart and observe, and are hands-off.

Both Titans and Gods walk amongst mortals. Both Titans and Gods can be slain.

In regards to the classes, Godservants tend to prefer classes that are academically based and involve institutions of learning. Contrawise, Titanfollowers tend to prefer classes that can be learned on their own through intuition and experience, and do not require a reliance on outside resources.

In accordance with this:

Wizards and Clerics are most likely to be Godservants.

Sorcerers and Druids are most likely to be Titanfollowers.

Monks are split evenly between Godservants and Titanfollowers.

Fighters are very inclined towards Godserving.

Barbarians are very inclined towards Titanfollowing.

Bards choose based on personal individual taste, and as a group, have no preference.

Paladins, true to their ideals first, are equally split between the Good Gods and the Good Titans.

All Alignment-centric classes and prestige classes have roughly equal representation between the Gods and the Titans.

Classes that favor intuition, instinct, and self-improvement tend to be Titanfollowing.

Classes that favor education, instruction, and strict discipline tend to be Godserving.


Examples of characters that might occur in this setting:

An order of Monks who choose to emulate the great dragons that sprang from the blood of the Titans and were chained by the Gods, developing draconic martial styles that harness the elements, such as Northern Serpent Fist, and Drakestrike Battle Meditation.

A knighthood of Paladins dedicated to persuading the Evil Gods to reform and killing those who do not, so as to convince the Titanfollowing Paladins that the Godserving path is for the greatest good.

A Barbarian who greatly admires the Hekatonkhires methods of fighting, and combines furious speed to emulate the effect of possessing one hundred hands with a high proficiency in throwing weapons.

A Fighter who seeks to attain physical and martial perfection, and worships all martial deities as exemplars of what he hopes to eventually become.



Thoughts?
 

zerohour

Well-Known Member
#2
This sounds like it could be a lot of fun, certainly an interesting departure fromt he classic alignment structure, thought it does seem the emulate Chaos vs. Law a bit, given that the gods want perfection and the Titans prefer to let things develop as they will.

So are there any "neutral" parties, such as those that hate all things divine, regardless if they are titan or god? Or those that want to pierce the veil of creation to explore worlds yet unborn?
 
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zerohour said:
So are there any "neutral" parties, such as those that hate all things divine, regardless if they are titan or god? Or those that want to pierce the veil of creation to explore worlds yet unborn?
Yes.
Lord Raine said:
01:08 Ryomu Out of curiosity, could atheists actually exist in this setting?
01:08 LR The "fuck the divine" faction would probably exist.
01:08 Chaos341 Yup and they end up a mortar in the Wall
01:08 Chaos341 as*
01:09 LR They would be capable of existing because while they personally may hate both the gods and the titans, the titans don't /mind/ if they're hated. Their method of 'ruling the universe' is hands-off.
01:09 LR So while ideologically speaking, they're a party unto themselves, cosmologically speaking, they would fall under the blanket of the titans, because the titans would probably appreciate that sort of initiative being shown by mortals
01:10 Ryomu Do the titans/gods actually take a physical form and walk amongst mortals?
01:11 LR Which would likely piss off some of the atheists, but then again, the more pragmatic among them would likely realize that if it wasn't for the fact that the titans didn't dislike them for their choice to not believe in any of this, they would have probably been destroyed by the Godservants long ago
01:12 Ryomu That is, is it actually *possible* to not believe in the divine?
01:12 LR So most atheists would probably prefer pure strength of arms and vanilla magic, and shun divine magic as corruptions
01:13 Chaos341 I am pretty sure you can acknowledge their existence after seeing them walk by
01:13 Chaos341 Unless you have your head really deep in the sand
01:13 LR No, not really. It's actually mentioned in core D&D that a 'true' atheist basically has to be a dumbass, because you can go into any city and find a Cleric who can do miracles on demand. The Atheist in D&D is typically described as someone who either hates all the gods, or as someone who chooses to believe them as being nothing more than Outsiders with delusi
01:13 LR delusions of grandeur
01:13 Ryomu Thank you.
01:14 LR So the Atheist in this setting would basically be the same. Either they hate all the gods and titans and say fuck you to all of it, or just view them as being powerful manifestations of magic and cosmic energy that have deluded themselves into believing they're responsible for everything
01:15 Chaos341 Even then they root for the titans if they are fucking sane
01:15 Chaos341 Because having your soul turned into mortar and crushed and tortured forever just fucking blows
01:16 Chaos341 Mask of the Betrayer showed that quite well
 
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