Ranma ½ Got Change?
- Thread starter Lord Raa
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I'm planning to add what I have for chapter 5 when I have a bit more to share.
I feel that the out of sequence bits require more work before they should resurface.
I'm not sure on the Carbon Creek thing. It could fit, but it's also Enterprise. And let's not kid ourselves, Enterprise is the worst of the Trek TV.
It's similar to the DS9 season 5 episode "The Begotten" where Odo is turned back into a Changeling.
I feel that the out of sequence bits require more work before they should resurface.
I'm not sure on the Carbon Creek thing. It could fit, but it's also Enterprise. And let's not kid ourselves, Enterprise is the worst of the Trek TV.
It's similar to the DS9 season 5 episode "The Begotten" where Odo is turned back into a Changeling.
Well... the Enterprise series IMHO has competition for worse of Trek...
I despise the ship in the reboot JJ Abrams series even were I to accept everything else.
The STO game system plot/story line and ship setup is horrid to my sensibilities on a number of levels... A handful of ship designs actually appeal to me (Exeter, Nobel, Armitage, a couple others), but that is about it.
I despise the ship in the reboot JJ Abrams series even were I to accept everything else.
The STO game system plot/story line and ship setup is horrid to my sensibilities on a number of levels... A handful of ship designs actually appeal to me (Exeter, Nobel, Armitage, a couple others), but that is about it.
Moar?
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Got Change?
By Lord Raa
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Disclaim-me-do: There’s only 37 ways to find out, unless this calculator is broken.
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Part 5
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On the morning walk to Furinkan, Nabiki was deciding the best way to ask Ranma about his ‘condition’.
‘If he’s allergic to something, then I should know. Surely a doctor would need to know in the event of a medical emergency,’ she reasoned. She glanced over at Ranma, who seemed to be in deep thought about something.
“Ranma,” Akane said, speaking for the first time on the journey. “What did you say to Kuno?”
“Why?”
“Well, he’s standing at the gates,” the youngest Tendo explained. “And he’s dressed in armour.”
“This is new,” Nabiki mused. “Looks like his carrying a proper sword this time.”
Ranma’s expression darkened. “I know that I’ve been travelling for a while, but the last time I checked, you needed a damn good reason to carry a sword out in the open. That idiot doesn’t have one.”
“So, the unsavoury oaf dares to sully the hallowed grounds of Furinkan once again!” Kuno announced, drawing the attention of every student within five hundred metres.
The Changeling looked around and clicked his fingers in understanding. “Oh, I see now, you’re talking about yourself.”
Nabiki and Akane edged away from Ranma as the crowd paused. No-one had dared speak to Tatewaki Kuno like that before.
“Y-you dare insult the Blue Thunder so casually!?!” Kuno spluttered with rage.
“I merely stated the obvious, Blue Thunder,” Ranma said calmly. “I suggest you step aside and allow everyone to attend their class.”
The kendoist’s hands dramatically moved to the hilt of his sword, signalling his willingness to draw it. “You are in no position to tell me what to do, Saotome.”
“You are quite right, Kuno. After all, who could stand in the way of someone who is only allowed to behave like a child because of who his father is?”
“What?”
“Your father is the principal of Furinkan, is he not? That is why the others allow you to indulge your fantasies. At least, that is the only reason I can think of,” Ranma shrugged. “For some reason, you think that we should be enemies, and because of that you behaved in an unforgiveable manner towards me.”
“It is you who has behaved unforgivably!” Kuno sneered.
“Why? Because I’m interfering in your unsavoury little game? No, Tatewaki Kuno, you are the indefensible one here.”
The Blue Thunder face contorted with fury as he drew his sword. The blade glittered in the morning sunlight as it pointed at Ranma’s chest.
“Have at you!”
Ranma simply planted his feet as the delusional swordsman charged him. Just as Kuno launched an overhead strike, the Changeling calmly caught the blade between the palms of his hands.
“Is this all you have?” Ranma asked mockingly. He lashed out with a snap kick and knocked Kuno to the ground. “Fighting you is no challenge, Kuno. If you end this charade now and I won’t destroy you and everything you hold dear.”
“Sorcery!” Kuno insisted. “It must be sorcery that enables you to block my righteous strikes!”
The Changeling sighed. “I guess that you’re going to continue this farce of a feud. Still, it might entertain the rest of the school.”
Ranma turned to where Nabiki and Akane were standing. “Glad to see that you have faith in my abilities.”
“Well, you’ve never seen Kuno fight before!” Nabiki insisted.
“You make it sound like he’s invincible,” the pigtailed martial artist said, gesturing to the crumpled heap that was Kuno. “Clearly, he’s just an idiot who can wave a stick about. Anyway, it’s time for school.”
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Ranma took his seat, unheeding or uncaring of the commotion his casual dismissal of Kuno had caused.
One of the young men in his class found the bravery to ask Ranma about the morning fight with Kuno.
“What of him? He’s nothing.”
“You must have had some serious fights if Kuno’s nothing special to you.”
“You misunderstand. He is not ‘nothing special’ – he’s nothing,” Ranma corrected. “I will destroy him.”
“Destroy him?”
“Yes,” the Changeling confirmed. “The name ‘Tatewaki’ will become a warning to others about the dangers of hubris, arrogance in ill manners.”
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In their classroom, Kuno was ranting about the four sorcerer that had humiliated him with black magic to Nabiki.
“To think that he could appear from nowhere and defile Furinkan with his presence in such a brazen manner...”
“Kuno, I’ll tell you one last time – be quiet or go out into the hall,” the teach spoke up in a voice that indicated he was tired of the arrogant youth’s behaviour.
“But... that Saotome! How can you tolerate his presence?”
“I have it on good authority that Saotome is not disrupting his classes, unlike you, Kuno-kun. Hallway, buckets, now.”
The kendoist reluctantly accepted his punishment and left his desk.
At least, that was his plan. Without warning, he left to unleash some divine justice upon the troublesome Saotome.
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Feel free to suggest things for future developments. I'm interested in knowing whether or not you want more Star Trek bits or more of Ranma the Changeling in Nerima.
I will consider all ideas, no matter how outlandish. If you're not comfortable sharing your idea/suggestion/request publicly, then you can reach me via PM and I'll look at it there.
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Got Change?
By Lord Raa
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Disclaim-me-do: There’s only 37 ways to find out, unless this calculator is broken.
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Part 5
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On the morning walk to Furinkan, Nabiki was deciding the best way to ask Ranma about his ‘condition’.
‘If he’s allergic to something, then I should know. Surely a doctor would need to know in the event of a medical emergency,’ she reasoned. She glanced over at Ranma, who seemed to be in deep thought about something.
“Ranma,” Akane said, speaking for the first time on the journey. “What did you say to Kuno?”
“Why?”
“Well, he’s standing at the gates,” the youngest Tendo explained. “And he’s dressed in armour.”
“This is new,” Nabiki mused. “Looks like his carrying a proper sword this time.”
Ranma’s expression darkened. “I know that I’ve been travelling for a while, but the last time I checked, you needed a damn good reason to carry a sword out in the open. That idiot doesn’t have one.”
“So, the unsavoury oaf dares to sully the hallowed grounds of Furinkan once again!” Kuno announced, drawing the attention of every student within five hundred metres.
The Changeling looked around and clicked his fingers in understanding. “Oh, I see now, you’re talking about yourself.”
Nabiki and Akane edged away from Ranma as the crowd paused. No-one had dared speak to Tatewaki Kuno like that before.
“Y-you dare insult the Blue Thunder so casually!?!” Kuno spluttered with rage.
“I merely stated the obvious, Blue Thunder,” Ranma said calmly. “I suggest you step aside and allow everyone to attend their class.”
The kendoist’s hands dramatically moved to the hilt of his sword, signalling his willingness to draw it. “You are in no position to tell me what to do, Saotome.”
“You are quite right, Kuno. After all, who could stand in the way of someone who is only allowed to behave like a child because of who his father is?”
“What?”
“Your father is the principal of Furinkan, is he not? That is why the others allow you to indulge your fantasies. At least, that is the only reason I can think of,” Ranma shrugged. “For some reason, you think that we should be enemies, and because of that you behaved in an unforgiveable manner towards me.”
“It is you who has behaved unforgivably!” Kuno sneered.
“Why? Because I’m interfering in your unsavoury little game? No, Tatewaki Kuno, you are the indefensible one here.”
The Blue Thunder face contorted with fury as he drew his sword. The blade glittered in the morning sunlight as it pointed at Ranma’s chest.
“Have at you!”
Ranma simply planted his feet as the delusional swordsman charged him. Just as Kuno launched an overhead strike, the Changeling calmly caught the blade between the palms of his hands.
“Is this all you have?” Ranma asked mockingly. He lashed out with a snap kick and knocked Kuno to the ground. “Fighting you is no challenge, Kuno. If you end this charade now and I won’t destroy you and everything you hold dear.”
“Sorcery!” Kuno insisted. “It must be sorcery that enables you to block my righteous strikes!”
The Changeling sighed. “I guess that you’re going to continue this farce of a feud. Still, it might entertain the rest of the school.”
Ranma turned to where Nabiki and Akane were standing. “Glad to see that you have faith in my abilities.”
“Well, you’ve never seen Kuno fight before!” Nabiki insisted.
“You make it sound like he’s invincible,” the pigtailed martial artist said, gesturing to the crumpled heap that was Kuno. “Clearly, he’s just an idiot who can wave a stick about. Anyway, it’s time for school.”
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Ranma took his seat, unheeding or uncaring of the commotion his casual dismissal of Kuno had caused.
One of the young men in his class found the bravery to ask Ranma about the morning fight with Kuno.
“What of him? He’s nothing.”
“You must have had some serious fights if Kuno’s nothing special to you.”
“You misunderstand. He is not ‘nothing special’ – he’s nothing,” Ranma corrected. “I will destroy him.”
“Destroy him?”
“Yes,” the Changeling confirmed. “The name ‘Tatewaki’ will become a warning to others about the dangers of hubris, arrogance in ill manners.”
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In their classroom, Kuno was ranting about the four sorcerer that had humiliated him with black magic to Nabiki.
“To think that he could appear from nowhere and defile Furinkan with his presence in such a brazen manner...”
“Kuno, I’ll tell you one last time – be quiet or go out into the hall,” the teach spoke up in a voice that indicated he was tired of the arrogant youth’s behaviour.
“But... that Saotome! How can you tolerate his presence?”
“I have it on good authority that Saotome is not disrupting his classes, unlike you, Kuno-kun. Hallway, buckets, now.”
The kendoist reluctantly accepted his punishment and left his desk.
At least, that was his plan. Without warning, he left to unleash some divine justice upon the troublesome Saotome.
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Feel free to suggest things for future developments. I'm interested in knowing whether or not you want more Star Trek bits or more of Ranma the Changeling in Nerima.
I will consider all ideas, no matter how outlandish. If you're not comfortable sharing your idea/suggestion/request publicly, then you can reach me via PM and I'll look at it there.
Why is Ranma going so easy on Kuno in this, Changlings are noted believers in a police state and as I pointed out in Ranma and the MGCA thread Kuno's actions count as Assault with a Deadly Weapon and appear to be Attempted Forceable Statuary Rape and Conspiracy charges are likely.
Statuary Rape is what pedophiles are charged with by the way.
Statuary Rape is what pedophiles are charged with by the way.
This is a little tricky to evaluate, honestly. I am aided in so doing by having few memories of Star Trek more recent than about 15 years old, meaning that I am not overly afflicted by seeing changeling mentality in every action. After some thought, I realized that regardless of the protagonist’s actual nature (has Ranma been absorbed entirely into the fallen Changeling, which has then incorrectly assumed his memories are its own due to lacking any information to the contrary, or is it a true merging of their personalities, hindered only by the Changeling’s traumatic amnesia?), the resulting mind’s motivations would be pretty similar. It would have received a strong desire for justice and sense of right and wrong from both antecedent personalities, but in the absence of any coherent memories but Ranma’s, the course of action it would consider obvious in any given situation would be quite startling to any other Changeling. While the manga reveals very little of Ranma’s opinions and true beliefs, I estimate that his upbringing would leave him with neither contempt nor much respect for governmental authority and, by extension, law enforcement—his entire existence in canon, apart from attending a ridiculous high school which would never be tolerated in any other context, seems largely orthogonal to the organizational strictures most of humanity lives within, be they rooted in law and order or in organized crime. Once Ranma is fed, everything comes back not to “is this legal,” but rather to “is this honourable.” His principles in canon become childishly flexible when a cure for the curse is presented, but otherwise he seems pretty consistent.
I think that distinction is why this Ranma doesn’t seem quite right to so many of us previewers. You seem to have him reasoning based on whether people are acting lawfully rather than whether they are behaving honourably. Series-start Ranma, as far as I can see, wouldn’t and didn’t see much wrong with being attacked by Kuno in itself, absent any other consideration. If his expectations of formal challenge and so on are anything to go on, he objected strongly to Kuno’s aspersions on his character and attempts to dictate who was allowed to date whom, but viewed fighting him as normal and possibly even expected. While we would expect a merger of Ranma and Changeling to have a new state of mind, the alien with Ranma’s face that you have written about does not even share the same frame of reference. That’s where disbelief loses suspension for me.
I think that distinction is why this Ranma doesn’t seem quite right to so many of us previewers. You seem to have him reasoning based on whether people are acting lawfully rather than whether they are behaving honourably. Series-start Ranma, as far as I can see, wouldn’t and didn’t see much wrong with being attacked by Kuno in itself, absent any other consideration. If his expectations of formal challenge and so on are anything to go on, he objected strongly to Kuno’s aspersions on his character and attempts to dictate who was allowed to date whom, but viewed fighting him as normal and possibly even expected. While we would expect a merger of Ranma and Changeling to have a new state of mind, the alien with Ranma’s face that you have written about does not even share the same frame of reference. That’s where disbelief loses suspension for me.
With the caveat that I've had a couple of drinks and am probably misconstruing people's comments, I think that the major problem you are all seeing is that Ranma's change to Founder is too quick for what I've written.
If that is the case, can I fix this and if so, what would you all consider to be the best way(s) to do so?
If that is the case, can I fix this and if so, what would you all consider to be the best way(s) to do so?
Hmmm... from my own standpoint, I did not really see too much an issue, thus why that is not where my own commentary in the past has been. But I will admit having said that it definitely could become one.
A couple things I think reviewers need to keep in mind when reading this particular story.
1. Exactly what Odo was told about his own origins by that head female founder, while I would say her words might well have been lies, I actually do not think so, and we can probably take at face value the fact they seeded worlds with barely aware founders.
2. Odo's one time of recounting his earliest memories under the original scientist that studied him, as his earliest memories are not of Founder indoctrination or race memories, but of even needing to learn how to change forms. Even after years of practice, he could not form the details to fully mimic faces.
3. Odo's force of personality and experiences have taken him in directions the founders never intended, and made him actually betray them for his own ideals. Well, to be clear, they think of it that way, not Odo. Odo's sense of justice is his own personal mantra... Gul Ducat likely had no idea what he was doing when he gave Odo that initial position. Odo has survived and thrived in his position as head of security regardless of whom stood in control of the overall station, he was respected enough for his views, if not his attitude at times, to have kept the position through all the countless changeovers, and is likely even more so than Quark or Morn a cornerstone of the station. Given all that, I could picture the same from Ranma.
4. The fact that a merger with normal corporeal 'solid' life forms was *never* actually intended by the founders, as they abhor them... There may well be side effects.
Given the above, I can see Ranma being like portrayed here, but I would expect the baseline personality to still be by far the majority influence...
A couple things I think reviewers need to keep in mind when reading this particular story.
1. Exactly what Odo was told about his own origins by that head female founder, while I would say her words might well have been lies, I actually do not think so, and we can probably take at face value the fact they seeded worlds with barely aware founders.
2. Odo's one time of recounting his earliest memories under the original scientist that studied him, as his earliest memories are not of Founder indoctrination or race memories, but of even needing to learn how to change forms. Even after years of practice, he could not form the details to fully mimic faces.
3. Odo's force of personality and experiences have taken him in directions the founders never intended, and made him actually betray them for his own ideals. Well, to be clear, they think of it that way, not Odo. Odo's sense of justice is his own personal mantra... Gul Ducat likely had no idea what he was doing when he gave Odo that initial position. Odo has survived and thrived in his position as head of security regardless of whom stood in control of the overall station, he was respected enough for his views, if not his attitude at times, to have kept the position through all the countless changeovers, and is likely even more so than Quark or Morn a cornerstone of the station. Given all that, I could picture the same from Ranma.
4. The fact that a merger with normal corporeal 'solid' life forms was *never* actually intended by the founders, as they abhor them... There may well be side effects.
Given the above, I can see Ranma being like portrayed here, but I would expect the baseline personality to still be by far the majority influence...
I think it would be as easy to solve as having it take longer for Ranma to lose his temper and maybe Kuno being a bit more of an ass. For all the influence the founder's memories may have on him you want us to buy that this is still the guy that tolerated Ryoga's honest to god attempt to murder him with the Breaking Point. Kuno busting out a sword and armor, while a serious issue in reality, may not be as big a thing in the world Ranma takes place in. Heck, there are limited times when Soun busts out samurai armor and his naginata in public.
The only real OOC I can take out of this for Ranma over all is the slide for him in reactions does not feel right.
To put it in D&D terms he grew up as a chaotic neutral but now he is switched to order (lawful) neutral. This feels like what he will do to Kuno will be less of a direct beat down and more something that would get rid of him legally. Making it so that Kuno knows that direct attacks are not effective. Kuno in cannon will use any resource to win, including trickery and magic (ironically) if you remember the wishing sword. As such Ranma would have to take special measures to neutralize Kuno without killing him.
To put it in D&D terms he grew up as a chaotic neutral but now he is switched to order (lawful) neutral. This feels like what he will do to Kuno will be less of a direct beat down and more something that would get rid of him legally. Making it so that Kuno knows that direct attacks are not effective. Kuno in cannon will use any resource to win, including trickery and magic (ironically) if you remember the wishing sword. As such Ranma would have to take special measures to neutralize Kuno without killing him.