Gundam Wing Rewrite

[Azure]

Don't know about them being friends (or maybe just not close friends or anything). I wouldn't want my readers to think I'm trying to set up a love triangle.

To me it was a good oportunity to have Heero open up with relationships that are not with Relena or with a fellow pilot (mainly Quatre, Trowa and Duo). Plus it would be kinda funny seeing Heero having to deal with a totally normal person while he awkwardly tries to be friendly and just fails.

Now for the questions.

If Dakem hated Oz for killing the original Heero Yuy then why was he ok that one of their top officers knocked up his only daughter in Heero's episode Zero story.

Also, Traze went to great lengths to kill every single pacifist on earth, but why? No one had been listening to them for years. I highly doubt they were much of a threat to his takeover. And why did he end up supporting Relena's cause later on in the show? I understand he didn't kill her because of Zech but why help Heero save her later on?

For the first, I think that Dakem was just being smart, even if he hates Oz, keeping Mariemeia was a good political move, since he could use her to blackmail Treize down the line or use her as a symbol like he did when Treize died.

About Treize, he killed the pacifists since they were in the way of Oz getting into power, specially since the Gundams were actually doing their job and forcing the Alliance to actually consider negotiating with the colonies and stop being dicks to spacenoids. The reason Treize supported Relena was not because he really agreed with her (though helping her helped his cause at the moment of opposing the Romefeller), but because she had the determination to keep fighting for her ideals even if it would never work. Remember that Treize is a bit of a romantic, and that he monologues a lot about how much he admired the Gundam pilots who were able to keep fighting even if they have lost everything (that is the Glory of the Defeated that the manga was named after), so I could see Treize admiring Relena when she starts to show that same Glory when she enters the political stage and somehow ends as Queen of the World after getting her country burned to the ground by never giving up her ideals.

 

[LadyRelena]

To me it was a good oportunity to have Heero open up with relationships that are not with Relena or with a fellow pilot (mainly Quatre, Trowa and Duo). Plus it would be kinda funny seeing Heero having to deal with a totally normal person while he awkwardly tries to be friendly and just fails.

If you want awkward I could throw Dorothy in there with all her lovely ideas about war and her much beloved commentary on Heero yuy vs the politician Heero Yuy. :snigger:

But seriously, that's a nice idea and I might just do that.

The reason Treize supported Relena was not because he really agreed with her (though helping her helped his cause at the moment of opposing the Romefeller), but because she had the determination to keep fighting for her ideals even if it would never work. Remember that Treize is a bit of a romantic, and that he monologues a lot about how much he admired the Gundam pilots who were able to keep fighting even if they have lost everything (that is the Glory of the Defeated that the manga was named after), so I could see Treize admiring Relena when she starts to show that same Glory when she enters the political stage and somehow ends as Queen of the World after getting her country burned to the ground by never giving up her ideals.

This makes a lot of sense now. Thank you  ^_^

On another note, I'm trying to flesh out some of the characters a little more and I need some help with it. Like, what do you think Relena wanted to be before she decided to take up politics? I was thinking maybe a nurse or a vet... The same question also applys to Sylvia Noventa and maybe even Dorothy as well. I mean, we don't know what Dorothy wanted out of life before she started spying on Relena.

Also, I can't seem to find a decent tittle for this fic. Every idea I throw at the wall sounds completely generic.

 

[H-Man]

New Mobile Reporter: Another Wing, mayhaps?

 

[LadyRelena]

It's kind of embarrassing posting these but here is what I got so far.

• Gundam Wing: The Seeds of Change

• Gundam Wing: White Reflection

• Gundam Wing: The Whisper of Stars

• Gundam Wing: Cry for a Dream

• Gundam Wing: Legend of Zero

• Gundam Wing: Flight Towards The Future

• Gundam Wing: Beneath the Surface

• Gundam Wing: Crossing of two worlds

• Gundam Wing: The Edge of Tomorrow

• Gundam Wing: Between Two Worlds

• Gundam Wing: When Worlds Collide

 

[Azure]

To me it was a good oportunity to have Heero open up with relationships that are not with Relena or with a fellow pilot (mainly Quatre, Trowa and Duo). Plus it would be kinda funny seeing Heero having to deal with a totally normal person while he awkwardly tries to be friendly and just fails.

If you want awkward I could throw Dorothy in there with all her lovely ideas about war and her much beloved commentary on Heero yuy vs the politician Heero Yuy. :snigger:

But seriously, that's a nice idea and I might just do that.

Nah, Dorothy would be more like a love rival for Relena, and thus would compete with Heero for Relena's time and attention, so she would firmly end in Heero's enemy list. Like I said this would be a chance for him to try making a friend outside the war, and that is not Relena and thus a bit more normal.

The reason Treize supported Relena was not because he really agreed with her (though helping her helped his cause at the moment of opposing the Romefeller), but because she had the determination to keep fighting for her ideals even if it would never work. Remember that Treize is a bit of a romantic, and that he monologues a lot about how much he admired the Gundam pilots who were able to keep fighting even if they have lost everything (that is the Glory of the Defeated that the manga was named after), so I could see Treize admiring Relena when she starts to show that same Glory when she enters the political stage and somehow ends as Queen of the World after getting her country burned to the ground by never giving up her ideals.

This makes a lot of sense now. Thank you  ^_^

On another note, I'm trying to flesh out some of the characters a little more and I need some help with it. Like, what do you think Relena wanted to be before she decided to take up politics? I was thinking maybe a nurse or a vet... The same question also applys to Sylvia Noventa and maybe even Dorothy as well. I mean, we don't know what Dorothy wanted out of life before she started spying on Relena.

Also, I can't seem to find a decent tittle for this fic. Every idea I throw at the wall sounds completely generic.

Dorothy, I think was someone who probably didn't have anything too interesting in her life and was just going to get into politics. I get the feeling that getting caught in the changing times with the Gundams and OZ awakened a passion within her and that is what changed her enough to really start glorifying war like she did and then start spying Relena because she was interesting to her. On Relena's case, I think she would still have gone into politics, but on a more low-key way and ended as her Father's aide at first and then moved on to do ambassador work on her own- basically the trip she took with her father to the colonies was setting up for that kind of thing and it would neatly explain why Relena was so good at politics- she already knew a lot of the basics from her father.

For Sylvia, her wanting to join the military to help her grandfather in his peace agenda, might be an interesting angle, as well as something more normal like being a nurse, I guess it depends on what you want to do with the character. Finally, about the title, don't worry about that for now, just pick something when you have an idea of what you really want to do.

 

[LadyRelena]

Sorry to bring back a dead thread (I got yelled at the last time I did this) but I had another question and I didn't want to make a whole new thread just to ask it.  

About Treize, he killed the pacifists since they were in the way of Oz getting into power, specially since the Gundams were actually doing their job and forcing the Alliance to actually consider negotiating with the colonies and stop being dicks to spacenoids.

Now that I really think about it, what was Treize's end goal anyway? I know he hated the Alliance because they were corrupt and hypocritical (another reason why he wanted Martial Noventa and his allies killed as well) And he kept going on about ushering in a new era of Oz - but why? Had everything gone smoothly, what would that have meant or looked like? Although he killed all the pacifists, it was more like he was against them personally and no so much their idea of peace between Earth and Space. So, the only conclusion I could come too was - he wanted a singular ruling body between Earth and Space that would have a firm but semi benevolent hand, and that he was the only one who could do that properly.

Also, I don't understand why he killed Relena's father. He seemed like such a small nuisance to his takeover, if even a threat at all. He also never had a reason to hate Mr Darlian or label him a hypocritical pacifist, unlike  the Alliance Pacifists. Did he really feel the need to eradicate all opposition to his takeover, even the smallest voice?

 

[H-Man]

It's not a necro when it comes to expanding your own thread on its actual subjects.

So anyway, Treize. Treize likes duels. He likes the idea of risking your life for your goals, but he especially likes it when the risk is even for both sides. The whole reason why he hates Mobile Dolls, for instance, is because one side gets an unfair advantage that leads to less bloodshed. With the problem being that the people who are creating the Mobile Dolls are not actually using them to spare their own side's lives as much as they're genocidal jerks who want to kill people with THEIR tech [see Tubarov].

His intended world was one where humans understood the value - and price - of life. The Colonies were needlessly abused so that would stop, but similarly the Colonies wouldn't be allowed to perform any Operation Meteor without getting punished. It'd remain severe and no less dangerous, but on the other hand it would also mean no Mobile Dolls, who are a pretty bad way of handling the reduction of casualties [sure, your side takes less human losses, but machines do not understand a battlefield like humans can, and any error could lead to attempts to surrender only leading into genocide, for instance].

As for Relena's father, remember that Treize basically told Une, one of his most trusted minions, 'WTF are you doing' when she went overly pacifistic and supporting the Mobile Dolls. Treize doesn't really want a world of pure peace, though a world of pure war is also something he does not want permanently unlike the Romefeller Foundation. He's not an arms dealer and he doesn't profit from war. He just wants duels, he wants humans to care about who they are fighting, and he wants respect involved. The Darlians were more on the 'total pacifism' side that everyone seems to hate in that series.

 

[LadyRelena]

Honestly, when I try to boil this down, it sounds Treize 'did' want the war to continue but just with both side being equally equip to fight or 'duel' eachother. And since the colonies are lacking in mobile suits and weapons, that means he would have to give them some to be on equal footing.