Harry Potter Harry and the Black family

[Wonderbee31]

Okay, Meterioicshipyard's fic, Luna's Hubby has a scene in the latest chapter, where Bellatrix is speaking with her sister, Andromeda, and says something to the effect that she loved James Potter, which gave me an idea to ask permission to use.

What if, James had married Bellatrix instead of Lilly, with maybe Lilly and Remus marrying? How would this effect things when Voldemort attacked, (I can just imagine this Bella going complete apeshit on Tom if he threatens her child, Harry, considering how possesive she seems to be even besides being crazy-nutso), and maybe if James were killed, but Bella survived? Imagine this Harry in Hogwarts, after growing up with his mother, Bellatrix Black Potter, (the mean-ass Black sister) :lol:

I will try to post something of this in the next little while.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Keep in mind that Bellatrix is about seven years older than James; she was in her last year when he was a firstie. This is not directly stated in-book but it is very heavily implied and can be deduced by reading some of Rowling's notes. So you need a way for James to have found Bellatrix later, because he most likely would have hardly noticed her when he arrived at school; she being so much older and in a different house besides (her in Slytherin, him Gryffindor).

There's also the quite obvious fact that canon James did not share the pureblood bigotry that Bellatrix is maniacally in favor of, so you'll have to change either his character or hers very greatly.

And if James shared Bellatrix's attitudes he almost certainly would not have become best friends with Sirius Black, who doesn't share the Black family prejudices. Matter of fact, if James shared Bellatrix's attitudes it's very possible that he'd have ended up in Slytherin. James was pureblood after all. He'd have been sharing a dorm room with Severus Snape, who like James was a very clever, and creative student. Pureblood bigot! James might have found an alliance with Snape very useful indeed.

This changes the dynamics in Gryffindor very much...need to think more about how.

 

[Wonderbee31]

Any help you and the other folks can provide would be appreciated. My feeling is this won't be a nice James Potter, maybe closer to what Snape feels he is in school, except to those folks he lets in, and if he could have somehow found out that Tom's a half-blood, he'd not likely follow him either.

I've got to check the ages, but since this is AU, might go ahead and maybe have Bella only be two or three years ahead, maybe he didn't make friends with Sirius, or Sirius is more like the rest of the Black family. Will try to post something soon, and get some response to that and this idea.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Whatever you do, you should try to start with the smallest possible change, and logically work from there; letting the water ripple from a stone instead of blowing up the lake.

 

[jbcarpen]

How very... Zen.

 

[Waruiko]

It's good advice. An example would be if Bella got off the same way Malfoy Sr. did. From ther you might say that with Sirus in jail she needs to take up the role of god parrent for him. If she could get an someone to investagate the living contitions of the BWL then she could gain custady claiming to be a better choice. This entire set up is dirived from a single thing however, and that is Bella not confesing like a lunatic in front of the entire court room.

 

[nuclear death frog]

It's good advice. An example would be if Bella got off the same way Malfoy Sr. did. From ther you might say that with Sirus in jail she needs to take up the role of god parrent for him. If she could get an someone to investagate the living contitions of the BWL then she could gain custady claiming to be a better choice. This entire set up is dirived from a single thing however, and that is Bella not confesing like a lunatic in front of the entire court room.

By "Malfoy Sr." I presume you mean Lucius?

I think Lucius's father Abraxis Malfoy got him off by making some kind of deal with Barty Crouch senior. Lucius would have been way too young (only upper 20's when Voldemort got disembodied) and didn't have nearly enough influence. He was just the clain heir or somesuch; not the head.

 

[Waruiko]

It seems I didn't word that properly, buy yes I did meen to say that Bella would arange for the same thing to happen for her as it did for Lucius.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Only way I can see her getting off is if she didn't participate in the Longbottom torture at all, if she wasn't even there, else they'd have her dead to rights on Cruciatus, which is Unforgivable; among any other charges.

 

[yamaban]

Idea: At the Longbottoms, Bella seeks out baby Neville, out of sight of the other DE she does away her mask, finds Neville, coo's over him (maybe 'cous she's sterile, can't have own), only to be stunned by Grandma Longbottom. If she'd made sure to 'clean' her wand befor the mission, nothing would make it to hard to get her off court with barly a slap on the wrist. :hmm:

Cheers, Yamaban.

 

[nuclear death frog]

They could still most likely nail her for being an accessory or similar; and given how gruesome the others' crimes were and how popular the Longbottoms were, she might still get a very long sentence in Azkaban, if not life. The British wizarding world doesn't exactly have a fair legal system.

In any event the OP has said she's fertile.

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Wonderbee31: Is Bellatrix even a DE in this? Does she share her family's prejudices, or not?

 

[SotF]

I would doubt her being a Death Eater in this type of thing.

One option would be for it to be set up early on. Sirius being friends with James could lead to an arranged marriage if the Potters have more wealth or power than the Blacks. Even if they don't have an agreement, and with Bellatrix being older, she could theoretically have access to that power and funds while James is still in school and thus be very tempting for her parents. You also have the possibility of her being used as a spy, I mean if James and his family are predominantly light side, Bellatrix would still not be expected to be cut off from her family and could thus be questioned if nothing else, even carefully so it seems like she simply slips up every now and then.

 

[lonetemplar]

Yeah, I would have to agree with the others about Bella being a Death Eater in this scenario. After all, a Death Eater gaining custody of the BWL would be a disaster for the Light Side. :lonegunman:

 

[nuclear death frog]

Okay, then further questions. If she's not a Death Eater, is she a pureblood supremacist like the rest of her family? Is James like her family? Or are Bella's attitudes in this like James' in canon?

If both she and James are pureblood supremacists it makes one wonder why they're not Death Eaters. Voldemort is very persuasive, after all.

Also, if you accept the Black family tree fragment Rowling released about a year ago -- there are obvious questions w.r.t. timing but the information shouldn't be terribly off -- James' mother was a Black. Dorea Black, who married Charlus Potter and had one son, who is unnamed on the Black family tree. The exclusively pureblood families are all interrelated.


If Bellatrix and James are both on the side of the Light, it makes one wonder how they stayed under Voldemort's radar. Narcissa Black, Bellatrix's youngest sister, married Lucius Malfoy, a Death Eater. Andromeda Black, the middle sister sweat: Andromeda should be oldest) married a Muggle-born, Ted Tonks. Voldemort probably wouldn't pick "Harry" as the child of the prophecy because "Harry" in this would be pureblood, and Neville Longbottom is also pureblood; Voldemort would want to pick a halfblood, like himself. There would have to be a third possibility.

 

[zeebee1]

If in this story they actually had a brain they could just leave the country. Many dark lords have come before Voldemort, and they all fell. They could just leave until the battle is over. The problem is that in that case they would be wrong. Only Harry's presence would stop the war. But leaving, so that they could avoid dying, or being conscripted, would be a logical choice. Also, both the Blacks and the Potters are old and important families. I doubt that they would want to serve someone who wouldn't even dare to prove that his lineage was pure.

 

[Wonderbee31]

Ididn't plan to have Bella be a DE in this fic. She's married to James with what was supposed to be an arranged marriage, that the two were betrothed when young, but, asd they met at Hogwarts, they found that they hit it off prety well. She won't be a pure-blood supremacist, but she does know how to play the game politically. I thought of having Dumbledore somehow "let slip" Tom's half-blooded-ness, and she and James would not go for him, as they have already have a lot of power, and are not planning to follow any half-blood. It may just be a one shot, but maybe more if more ideas can flow from you guys, which I'm trying to utilize now.

Harry will be a pure-blood, but wjile a little like Draco, will also not be so snobbish as to allenate potential allies, as I plan on having the Potters still be friends with Sirius, Remus, and Lilly, as they know that there's more to life than simple blood lines, imo. Let me know what else I could do to improve things.