Nasuverse Harry Potter crossover idea

[Garahs]

Alright, I think I saw a hint of an idea mentioned somewhere, but here's a somewhat plausible (to me at least) premise to a possible fic.

Spoiler warning (though if you're here I doubt it's a spoiler)

Immediately after the first scenario (This is what the anime is based off of, right?) Arthuria is sent back to her time between moments right before she dies. What if she took Avalon from Shiro back with her? For whatever reason, Avalon moves her forward to present day. She still posseses Avalon, but Excaliber has seemingly vanished. For what reason and where to I won't say in case I decide to try this. She wakes up and has to survive for a time on her own or with a small group. I'm not knowledgeable of what year the Grail War supposedly takes place in, but I'd want to adjust it to a HP school year.

This is just a rough idea, but here are some entertaining thoughts:

Shiro figuring out and using UBW on some death eaters at the graveyard just after resurrecting Voldimort...

Arthuria somehow accidentally using Excaliber to slice off the tower Trelawney uses for her class. Bonus points for either her or one of her students coming up with a "foretelling" of the event beforehand. More points if it's Ron.


Anyways, does anyone think this idea has merit? The focus, at least at the beginning, would be on Arthuria. It would be several chapters before wizards were introduced. I'm not quite sure (or decided) of what her first impressions of them and their ideas since Merlin was her teacher/advisor.

I could probably write up a prologue if people are interested, but I'm a very lazy writer that would rather get feedback first than write it and then have the idea shot down as impossible or whatnot.

 

[Shiakou]

Why would Avalon move her though time? It's as unlikely as the Cloak of Invisibility being able to transform into a zanpakuto. Avalon gives you Eternal Youth, Regeneration, and Limited Invulnerability . . . but time travel?

Unless you plan to stick her in her completely human body, wounds and all, she'll still need prana. And unless you plan to have her suck the very life out of people, that means that she needs a either magi trained for the Grail War (only they would know how to do it properly). . . or someone to do the horizontal mambo with.

IIRC, the Grail War happens four years after the Tsukihime event, which would canonically make it. . . 2000? 2001?

If she thinks of the wizards as Merlin's successors, things will go FUBAR right off the bat. What we know of FSN's Merlin indicates that he was powerful, perverted, and has a mean streak a mile wide. He once magically created/attached a dick to Arturia. Imagine Arturia meeting Dumbledore and mistaking him for Merlin. . . now imagine Arturia trying to chop Dumbledore into itsy-bitsy pieces while ranting about perverted old wizards.

 

[Shaderic]

...Isn't the creation of Futa-Saber Fannon?
This one doesn't particularily care for this Idea anyway. Seeing the glory of Fate/Stay Night mixed with HP... Well, this one finds it a foolish waste of time. <_<

 

[Shiakou]

...Isn't the creation of Futa-Saber Fannon?

No, it's canon. Or at least, Baiken tells me it's canon and I usually trust Baiken on Type Moon stuff.

Here's a relevant thread.

Futa-Saber is integral to the story. Without Futa-Saber, there's no Mordred. No Mordred = Arturia never dying and making the pact with the world = no Saber!Arturia.

At some point, Merlin apparently gave Arturia a penis out of a prank (although that could have been used to prove king Arthur was a man and actually meant to be useful, who knows).
A kid isn't born between two women.
Mordred was created from Arturia and Morgan. Mordred is a homunculus created with an ovule from Morgan and sperm from Arturia, who was at that point under the effect of Merlin's prank.
Arturia was unaware of Mordred's existence until Mordred came to him, so Morgan probably did more than just "sexually assaulting" Arturia, maybe some enchantment + surgical/magical extraction, or maybe enchantment + "manual" extraction.

 

[Garahs]

Avalon gives you Eternal Youth, Regeneration, and Limited Invulnerability . . . but time travel?

Alright, if Avalon gives eternal youth and regeneration, what about for some reason it puts Arthuria in stasis while her body heals from her fatal wounds? This is just a plot device to get Arthuria's real body to present day England instead of actually dying (though to the people in her time it doesn't make a difference meaning she still becomes a legendary hero), not to make continual use of it. That would be the only purpose of it. And if Merlin did that much stuff to Arthuria, it just allows for more possible humorous situations like how she would react when she finds out the wizards created the Order of Merlin.

 

[Shiakou]

Avalon gives you Eternal Youth, Regeneration, and Limited Invulnerability . . . but time travel?

Alright, if Avalon gives eternal youth and regeneration, what about for some reason it puts Arthuria in stasis while her body heals from her fatal wounds? This is just a plot device to get Arthuria's real body to present day England instead of actually dying (though to the people in her time it doesn't make a difference meaning she still becomes a legendary hero), not to make continual use of it. That would be the only purpose of it.

Because that Avalon was a copy created by the Throne of Heroes for Saber!Arturia. It's only a copy of the real Avalon and only works for her as long as she's a Servant. That's why it's called a Noble Phantasm. For that matter, the Excalibur she had with her throughout the Grail Wars wasn't the same Excalibur given by the Lady either, it too was a Noble Phantasm created by the Throne. That's why she didn't just use Avalon the first time she was dying and made a pact with the world instead; it was only created after she became a Servant.

As I see it, you have the following options:

1. You could have Arturia stay a Servant so that Avalon still works and puts her in stasis. However, you'd have to explain why she didn't wake up (regeneration would have eventually put her Servant body to rights) for fifteen hundred years, and why she didn't just fade away from lack of prana (Avalon can't protect Arturia from prana exhaustion).

2. You could ignore the rules of the FSN world altogether and make Avalon do what you want without regard to canon. I don't like it, but it's your choice, and it's been done countless times before to many canon worlds.

3. You could use another plot device. Example: Gaia thinks "You're pact is not yet done, King of Knights!" and sends one of her faeries to take Arturia to the Isle of Avalon where she can be kept in magical stasis, before she dies. This offers you the chance to use elements of both the original Arthurian legend and FSN instead of just FSN's version. You could even keep Excalibur (the original one) since Bedivere threw it to back to the faeries of the lake.

 

[Avider]

Strike this, forgot about a continuity error.

I originally suggested the idea that the real Avalon be found and returned to Arturia during her last moments, but then I remembered...if that was the case, then 1500 years later, it would not have been possible for Avalon to be used as a catalyst for summoning Saber, since it's...with Arturia.

In any case, we do have a wizard around, I think.

If anybody can whip up a long stasis spell, a wizard can most certainly do it. The reasoning could also be that the stasis was to prevent Arturia from dying until Avalon was found, then he would have unfroze her, except it wasn't found until around 1500 years later.

Now that I think about it...didn't Shirou returned the real Avalon to Saber in Fate?

What happened to it then?

It could be that when Saber returned to the past, Avalon remained in the present. Shirou could then take it...and the stasis could be broken. (Not meant to be canon, what did happen to Avalon in Fate canon?)

 

[zeebee1]

I'm pretty sure that Shirou using UBW any time soon, as in his life time, is impossible.

 

[Shiakou]

Strike this, forgot about a continuity error.

I originally suggested the idea that the real Avalon be found and returned to Arturia during her last moments, but then I remembered...if that was the case, then 1500 years later, it would not have been possible for Avalon to be used as a catalyst for summoning Saber, since it's...with Arturia.

In any case, we do have a wizard around, I think.

If anybody can whip up a long stasis spell, a wizard can most certainly do it.? The reasoning could also be that the stasis was to prevent Arturia from dying until Avalon was found, then he would have unfroze her, except it wasn't found until around 1500 years later.

Kishua Zelretch Schweinorg. Poor Arturia, plaything of Wizards.

Now that I think about it...didn't Shirou returned the real Avalon to Saber in Fate?

What happened to it then?

It could be that when Saber returned to the past, Avalon remained in the present.? Shirou could then take it...and the stasis could be broken.? (Not meant to be canon, what did happen to Avalon in Fate canon?)

I'm trawling the Beast's lair for info.

Avalon

-Found during the 4th Grail War (FSN-Zero) and given to Kiritsugu.

 

[Garahs]

Thanks. Number 3 looks like it'd be the closest to what I have in mind.

I have a question though. At the final fight, didn't Shiro give Avalon to Sabre and she used that Noble Phantasm to finally win? It's been a while since I watched it, but it seemed to me that Shiro never got it back. Or was it just a trace?

Is there some site I could go to in order to look up more indepth info on the goings on of F/S N scenario and universe? It might not seem like it from this idea, but I really would like to keep this as close to canon for both worlds as possible.

 

[Shiakou]

I used to get my info either by asking it in The Beast's Lair, a forum dedicated to Type Moon stuff, and Fuyuki Wiki. Unfortunately, the Wiki got deleted for some reason.

 

[Avider]

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/TYPE-MOON_Wiki

There's the alternate to Fuyuki, with many things transferred from it. Asking in Beast's Lair would be your best bet though.

For Fuyuki itself, use the Wayback Machine and look for fuyuki.pbwiki.com.

As for Avalon, from my knowledge, what Shirou gave to Saber in Fate was the real Avalon, allowing her to use it as a Noble Phantasm.

What happened to it after the return... :huh.:

Which reminds me...

Because that Avalon was a copy created by the Throne of Heroes for Saber!Arturia. It's only a copy of the real Avalon and only works for her as long as she's a Servant. That's why it's called a Noble Phantasm.

Might not necessarily be true. Shirou *did* give the real Avalon back to Saber, so I'm not sure if it's a copy. And I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work for her even if she weren't a Servant. Shirou isn't a Servant, and he could trace and use Noble Phantasms just fine. And, of course, Bazette with her Fragarach.

 

[Shiakou]

Because that Avalon was a copy created by the Throne of Heroes for Saber!Arturia. It's only a copy of the real Avalon and only works for her as long as she's a Servant. That's why it's called a Noble Phantasm.

Might not necessarily be true. Shirou *did* give the real Avalon back to Saber, so I'm not sure if it's a copy. And I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work for her even if she weren't a Servant. Shirou isn't a Servant, and he could trace and use Noble Phantasms just fine.

I should have clarified that.

Avalon (the original Noble Phantasm) - excavated by the Einzbern by the 4th Grail War. Successively given to Irisviel von Einzbern, Emiya Kiritsugu, Shirou, and in Fate route, to Arturia. On its own, capable of limited healing, and limited protection from death (can keep Shirou from dying from the fire, but cannot heal Shirou's arm after it was injured during HF route; uncertain if it can still protect the keeper from decapitation, disintigration or other more fatally certain methods), and agelessness. If in close proximity to Arturia, it is capable of nigh-instant regeneration (Irisviel suffered a serious wound but was healed with no visible scars after a mere touch from Saber). If returned to Arturia (destined user), it allows her to use the Noble Phantasm Avalon. This indicates that it's only a true Noble Phantasm if Saber uses it, otherwise it seems to be just another magical item.

Avalon (Noble Phantasm activated) - A phantasm of Avalon which grants Arturia massive Regeneration, and Invulnerability from physical, sorcerous, and True Magic attacks. This is the one I referred to as being created by the Throne. Can only be used by Saber!Arturia (not even Shirou can use it).

Shirou could use other Noble Phantasms because his sorcery is Tracing, which allows him to copy those Noble Phantasms. Because of this, he is an exception to the rule, and even then, he is usually limited only to weapons since shields/armors take up to three times as much mana, and such things as traced scabbards are unheard of. Aside from Shirou, only Bazett can use a Noble Phantasm and she requires the sacrifice of blood and time to do it.

In general, Noble Phantasms are attached to Epic Spirits, most of which are summonable as Servants. Arturia would not be capable of it once she becomes human again because she wouldn't be a spirit or a Servant anymore.

 

[Avider]

Right, but then there would be no problem if she doesn't activate it as a NP right?

As with the original idea, just use it for the regeneration and limited immortality. I mean the only reason she was dying was because she didn't have Avalon, not because even if she had it, she couldn't use it.

As opposed to:

That's why she didn't just use Avalon the first time she was dying and made a pact with the world instead; it was only created after she became a Servant.

Which is misleading. The real Avalon was around before she became a Servant, and it did have the regeneration + limited immortality. What it might not have had was the whole, activate and become a Fortress of Protection against --- and --- .

Which means this whole paragraph here:

Because that Avalon was a copy created by the Throne of Heroes for Saber!Arturia. It's only a copy of the real Avalon and only works for her as long as she's a Servant. That's why it's called a Noble Phantasm. For that matter, the Excalibur she had with her throughout the Grail Wars wasn't the same Excalibur given by the Lady either, it too was a Noble Phantasm created by the Throne. That's why she didn't just use Avalon the first time she was dying and made a pact with the world instead; it was only created after she became a Servant.

Would be invalid. The idea seemed to refer to the "real" Avalon, rather than the NP. The real Avalon would have worked its magic on Arturia, regardless of whether or not she was a Servant. Just like it worked its magic on Irisviel and Shirou, even though they clearly aren't Servants. In Shirou's case, I'm referring to all those time where Avalon's latent regeneration power saved him, not when he traced and activated the NP.

So again, I'm not sure why it couldn't:

Alright, if Avalon gives eternal youth and regeneration, what about for some reason it puts Arthuria in stasis while her body heals from her fatal wounds? This is just a plot device to get Arthuria's real body to present day England instead of actually dying (though to the people in her time it doesn't make a difference meaning she still becomes a legendary hero), not to make continual use of it. That would be the only purpose of it.

Arturia would have the real Avalon, it would have healed her. The stasis idea could be creatively worked out, the idea itself could have worked.

Unless I'm missing something.

 

[Shiakou]

Okay, assuming that we're referring only to the scabbard, if canon Arturia still had Avalon (I think she did too) and it still worked (ignoring the Prime Taradox! of two Avalons in the same time period), why would she still have died? Either she didn't have it, it didn't work. . . or she chose to die? Meh.

Ignoring that, I suppose it depends on the injuries she had taken, and the original cause of her death. I'm not sure even Avalon could restore a completely mauled body. A body dying from bleeding, on the other hand, is very much possible. So then Avalon heals Arturia up nicely. . . and then what? Bedivere finds her alive but for some reason she never wakes up? The only place I can imagine to keep a comatose King Arturia is the Isle of Avalon, which essentially ends up being the same as my third suggestion.

Of course, you can have her wake up and be conscious. . . but that would really, really, screw up a whole lot of history. Cue Arturia replacing Churchill as she leads the British invasion of Normandy in WWII. :rofl:

 

[Avider]

:snigger:

Oh the delicious thoughts.

Okay, assuming that we're referring only to the scabbard, if canon Arturia still had Avalon (I think she did too) and it still worked (ignoring the Prime Paradox! of two Avalons in the same time period), why would she still have died? Either she didn't have it, it didn't work. . . or she chose to die? Meh.

Er, are we talking about canon here? For the story idea, she wouldn't have died, and yeah, it would be akin to your 3rd idea, except for the World-pact thing.

Canon-wise...beats me. I guess Avalon didn't return with Saber to the past, so it remained in the present.

Which...

Now that I think about it...didn't Shirou returned the real Avalon to Saber in Fate?

What happened to it then?

It could be that when Saber returned to the past, Avalon remained in the present. Shirou could then take it...

 

[zeebee1]

I'm pretty sure that Saber didn't have the real Avalon. I think that it was stolen. That was supposed to be the reason she was killed in the first place.

 

[Shiakou]

I'm pretty sure that Saber didn't have the real Avalon. I think that it was stolen. That was supposed to be the reason she was killed in the first place.

We meant the one returned to Saber by Shirou at the end of Fate route. Did she bring that one back with her when she returned to the 5th/6th century? I can't find anything about it in the archives. . .