Harry Potter Harry's Secret Harem

loki-l

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#1
This is an idea based on the standard Harem/Multiple-Marriage/Marriage-contract type of fic out there. The twist being that the fact that he has multiple wives it is kept from Harry. The motivation would not be the Potter fortune, the prophecy or the fact that Harry suddenly turned onto an unresistable chick-magnet, but mere self-preservation The whole things starts out of a little harmless deception and then further lies to cover up the original lie and then snowballs from there as the original perpetrators are caught up in the web they spun when first they practiced to deceive.


After the death of her aunt Susan Bones is left with no immediate family. The closest living relative she has is a great-uncle that she never was particularly close to and who she knows to be big on "traditional wizarding values" i.e. a proto-pureblood-supermacists. In addition to his political leaning Susan suspects him of planing something that would result in him gaining permanent control of her inheritance; probably an arranged marriage, a fatal accident or a permanent stay at St. Mungos mental ward.

Susan manages to come up with a way out of her bad situation. She just has to 'fudge' the truth a little bit and bide her time for a few month until she is of age.

Susan explains her brilliant plan to her muggleborn friend Hannah when they meet in muggle London near Diagon Alley. Hannah is somewhat shocked to learn about some wizarding customs like not taking a childs wishes into account when appointing a guardian. Susan tells her that in order to avoid becoming her uncles ward, she plans to claim that she has someone who supersedes his claim to her. A husband of fianc�e if he has sufficient social standing could easily become her guardian.

Susan tells Hannah that she initially considered Neville for this, but thought better of it when she remembered that he might not be free. Hannah blushes at the implications and denies everything.

Susans recounts how she eventually settled on Harry Potter as her secret would-be husband. Harry's social status, despite being a halfblood, would be sufficient for her purposes and the fact that he is on Voldemorts most wanted list would give her an excuse to have the whole matter classified and declared secret. So secret that Harry would never have to know. After she has come of age she plans to have the whole paperwork error cleaned up without Harry or anyone else ever being the wiser. There are enough friends of her aunt still left in the ministry to allow her to get away with such minor bureaucratic errors.

Hannah is appalled by this, but not nearly as much as Daphne Greengrass and Tracey Davies who overheard the conversation.

The two Slytherines join the Hufflepuff girls. They are not really upset on behalf of Harry, but about the fact that Daphne has already implemented a similar plan to avoid an arranged marriage. She chose Harry as someone with a sufficiently powerful reputation to intimidate her father and a good reason to keep a relationship silent. Daphne planned to slip some documents into the right folder at the ministry in case her father checked up on her story. A few galleons were supposed to grease palms and make people look the other way. Harry would never have known and would be unlikely to get into any serious relationship that would expose her lie anytime soon. Like Susan she expects the charade to hold until her birthday when she will be of age.

The two girls are at an impasse. Hannah thinks they will be rivals who are likely to expose each other, but Tracey thinks that they could actually join forces, pool resources and back each other up. Hannah does not understand how that is supposed to work. "I am married to Harry Potter, belive me. Just ask his wife she will confirm it."

Susan explains that this might actually work. There are provisions in wizarding law for polygamy. At least they are still on the books even if nobody actually used them in a long time. It would take a special case such as a wizard who was especially powerful magically to warrant this and it would be a very unequal relationship, but the girls think that they can pull it off.

In order for Harry to take over guardianship of the girls of course has to be emancipated. Susan assumed that he was an emancipated minor because of the trial when the girls learn that he isn't they quickly move to rectify that minor bureaucratic oversight.

Harry has a somewhat unearned reputation as a great wizard. Anyone who did not know him personally could easily believe that Harry is something like the second coming of Merlin based on what is know about him. The girls themselves know that Harry is just another wizard but everyone else sees him as the lager than life Boy-who-Lived.

Together they conspire to make it look like they are secretly part of Harry's Harem.

The secret will be well kept, at least from Harry Potter other people might learn of it easier.

Another player in this game might be Griphook the goblin. Over the years he has told the story of his chance encounter with the boy who lived again and again, enhancing the tale in every retelling somewhat. He pretends to be some personal acquaintance of Potter and implies that it was no accident that he, Harry and the unimportant half-giant together emptied the vault that was later that day successfully broken into. While claiming confidentiality he acts like he was personally involved in rescuing the treasure in the vault from thieves and that he helped Harry make alternate security arrangements for it.

His bragging and lying has benefited him quite a bit and helped him advance his career. It is only when someone actually expects him to use his connections to Potter that he gets into trouble.

Luckily for both the Goblin and the would be Harem they end up unwittingly helping each and backing up the others deception without discovering it.

With Griphook's unwitting help the girls get their status legally confirmed by Gringotts and gain access to one of Harry's unused properties. A small magical country manor that he inherited from a family that was mostly wiped out by Voldemort and whose sole surviving member willed it to the Boy-Who-Lived in thanks for avenging their family.

The girls reason that Harry doesn't know about it and probably won't care. They assume that he is living in some palatial Potter estate surrounded by servants.

In order to keep up appearances the girls are forced to go to increasing length to cover their misdeeds. The lie will become much larger and more concrete then it was when they first practiced to deceive.

The Harem will grow as more and more girls will want in on it for their own reasons. They lie and make deals in the name of their would be husband to keep their secret. Declining marriage contracts and putting extreme demands in the answer to those they can't deny.

None of the girls actually close to Harry get involved, so they base their deception on what they think Harry is like and not what he really is.

Harry all the while remains clueless throughout the rest of the summer and most of the following school year. He is not directly affected by any of this, but might get some indirect benefits without quite understanding why.

The fact that the girls had him emancipated means that he can do legally magic over the summer, but he thinks that Dumbeldore is responsible for squashing his underage magic warnings.

Some people might treat him slightly differently, but he barely notices and doesn't give it much thought. When some stamina potions make it through his mail wards he does not question their origin and completely misses the double entendre in the accompanying card.

He and his harem might inadvertently be brought closer together through magical means without ever meeting. The girls might review his DA lesson in a pensive to familiarize those members of the harem who never spoke more than a few words to him with the Boy-Who-Lived. A magical device gifted by the goblins and delivered by Griphook meant to help Harry with his occulomancy problems might end up in his harems possession and be used by them to rearrange Harry's mental landscape without knowing the consequences of their actions.

When going back to Hogwarts the Harem might go as far as moving into some married quarters, swearing the staff to secrecy without Harry in his dorm room learning of it. He might get some funny looks from McGoonagal and some pointed comments from Snape, but it mostly goes over his head.

His saving people thing might lead him to come to the aid of on of his wives when she gets bullied at school, an action that will be seen quite differently from the perspective of those 'in the know'. Harry might be confused when Snape has Draco back down and apologize unexpectedly not knowing that from their perspective he got very close to a duel to defend the family honor.

It's not that Harry is a completely clueless idiot. He just never had much contact with anyone outside Gryffindor to begin with and is rather preoccupied with the whole Voldemort thing. Eventually he will notice what is going on and he and his wives will have a very frank talk about everything, but he might need to defeat a Dark Lord before everything can be sorted out. The fact that the girls actions might have unknowingly helped him at certain points might work in their favor.
 

Schema

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#2
Interesting idea, but there are a few holes which would need to be filled.

There would need to be letters from the goblins to Harry pretty consistently, "Mr. Potter, in the past one of your properties was rented out to tenants, but when your parents died by default we closed them down due to no care takers. My brother goblin Gargleplex would like to become the care takers for these properties and split the profit 80% 20% with you."

Then let the wives live there "rent free" so no "profit"

Simple things that either got left out because they would be implemented at the time of writing, but needed none the less.

Still, pretty Crack-y

This also has the potential to have an interesting development of Sprout, which is sadly lacking,
 

loki-l

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#3
Schema said:
Interesting idea, but there are a few holes which would need to be filled.

There would need to be letters from the goblins to Harry pretty consistently, "Mr. Potter, in the past one of your properties was rented out to tenants, but when your parents died by default we closed them down due to no care takers. My brother goblin Gargleplex would like to become the care takers for these properties and split the profit 80% 20% with you."

Then let the wives live there "rent free" so no "profit"

Simple things that either got left out because they would be implemented at the time of writing, but needed none the less.

Still, pretty Crack-y

This also has the potential to have an interesting development of Sprout, which is sadly lacking,
The wives are supposed gain access to Harry's vaults and properties by showing them forged documents from the ministry that they are married to Harry Potter. thanks to Dumbeldore keeping Harry incommunicado over the summer they can't write or contact him to confirm this and have to rely on the word of Harry's 'good friend' Griphook. Any attempts to gain further confirmation out of Dumbeldore might end up being miscommunicated due the war with Voldemort and Dumbeldore being to busy having his arm rotted of by horocruxes to pay to much attention.

The Goblins might have dug deeper if they sensed any intent to steal from Harry, but with the girls not taking anything from his vaults and keeping their own vaults deliberately separate, they are less mistrustful. the Property the girls choose is not one of the bigger ones and it has been empty since Harry inherited it so there is no lost rent.

I had the idea that the Manor the girls move into was left to harry by an old widow who lost her entire family in the war and having no one else decided ti leave the home to the boy who avenged her loved ones. She passed away a few years ago and not much has happened since. For further plot points the Old widow might have had an interesting career in her youth and left some of her magical tools behind to be misused by ignorant harem-girls.
 

MTing

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#4
Interesting idea but you have to remember the theme of the story. A story like this can and will runaway from an author. Will this be a comedy? Focused on the cluelessness of one Harry Potter and his Secret Harem? Will it be a drama? Focused on the the lives of HP's secret 'wives' and why they first practiced to deceive?

The hook of this story is that it's a harem story with a unique twist. Remember, at this point in the canon storyline, Harry is trying to find a way to fight against Voldemort and not get killed before, during or after the fight. How will you explain why Harry should care that he has a secret harem? Right now, he's more worried about not getting secretly assassinated and finding a way to fight back.
 

zeebee1

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#5
But what's the point? I can't see the ending, and without that there is no real purpose.
 

loki-l

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#6
The point of the story would be mostly, the girls digging themselves deeper and deeper as they add further lies to keep their secrets secrets. Circumstances are conspiring to make things worse for them. The eventual inevitable conclusion would be Harry finding out and not being happy about it.

Voldemort, Horocruxes and Hollows would be something going on in the background to keep Harry occupied and to foil any attempts to deescalate the growing Harem deception for security reasons.

A recurring theme would be how different the way everyone sees Harry is. The general wizarding population sees him as a larger than life legend. His classmates have seen him falling asleep in History and getting dirty in Herbology. They see him as a not really all that impressive average and sort of scrawny young boy. The members of the DA saw a slightly different side of him. The girls use fact that Harry is seen as something close to the second coming of Merlin by society for their own advantage while thinking they can get away with it because he is just a not very impressive boy.

They have all sorts of assumptions about Harry, such as him living on some potter estate surrounded by servants and private tutors during the summer. The Slytherine girls have different assumptions than the ones who are slightly closer to Harry. Eventually they will need to build a coherent image of their husband to present to the outside while getting to know the actual Harry and influencing him without having too much real contact with him.

In the end it should all be so mixed up that nobody can be sure what the real Harry Potter is like and how he will deal with his harem once Voldemort is taken care of.

To go into some further detail:

The girls might invent and put to paper some outrageous rules for their harem to scare away prospective new members. Unfortunately they end up being bound by these rules themselves. They have to rely on the fact that Harry is not in the habit of demanding sexual favor from near strangers when they meet him, because they aren't sure that they could say no at that point. If Harry found out about the power he has over his wives he could make them do all sorts of things if they don't want to be thrown into Azkaban for fraud. If Harry were so inclined he could be awfully mean to them.

At the same time the girls indirectly get to know the real Harry Potter and have to revise their opinion about him. Their actions in furthering their deception have unintended consequences that mostly help Harry on his quest and in later stages they might actually go out of their way to proactively help him from behind the scenes. They might help Harry by managing his affairs, building alliances and making him politically powerful without him noticing more than that the prophet and ministry treats him nicer.

The eventual ending that everything would work towards would be the revelation. what is Harry going to do? Is he going to feel betrayed? Will he feel the need to punish his harem, maybe take advantage of them as the girls feared? Will he decide to keep up the deception because everyone involved benefited from it? Will they end up making the lie a reality and life together happily ever after? Most importantly how will the girls feel about Harry at that point? Perhaps they won't mind too much if Harry decides to take advantage of them? Or it could all end in tragedy and tears. There is also the whole Voldemort business that needs to be taken care of before thing can be cleared up, which might make for further drama.

Along the way there should be enough room for the reader to experience some Schadenfreude as the girls get caught up in their own web of deception and are set up for some more or less well deserved comeuppance. And some enjoyment from a pseudo omniscient perspective as the reader knows exactly where everyone makes a wrong assumption or a bad decision that will only end up making things worse.

The sort of thing you have in your average screwball comedy when you have a cut in your crazy car-chase towards tow guys carrying a pane of glass across the street, a worker neatly finishing of some cement in a walkway and somebody setting up a fruit stand in the marketplace. Then you cut back and find that the car the guys stole for the chase doesn't have any working breaks. You know that won't end well for anyone involved.
 

TmDagger

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#7
loki-l said:
The point of the story would be mostly, the girls digging themselves deeper and deeper as they add further lies to keep their secrets secrets. Circumstances are conspiring to make things worse for them. The eventual inevitable conclusion would be Harry finding out and not being happy about it.
So... point stays the same as in 'Make a Wish' and the rest of Mr. Black series, only with slightly more serious feel to the story?
Girls would dig themselves deeper and deeper, trying to survive, strive and arrange back-doors for if things get really ugly, only to end up dug further 'in' while screwing with each other's escape plans. Harry gets support from background, while remaining too busy to notice what the hell's been going on. And his legend keeps growing: partly due to Griphook's lies, partly due to girls efforts, partly due to a lot of miscommunication, crapload of coincidences, assumptions and wrongly drawn conclusions.
More, if author edits out some nonsense that Ro pulled in later books... To quote Myst Shadow:
I was browsing the various threads over at the Dark Lord Potter forums, and they summed up everything I despised about book five and six. To quote, (well, aside from some creative editing to delete several expletives - (PG-13!) - and fix some spelling), the general consensus was that:
"When Voldemort was 16 he was becoming immortal, when his [Harry's] dad was 15 he could already do silent spells, when Snivellus was 16 he was inventing spells and creating new ways of making potions, when Draco bloody Malfoy is 16, not only can he do occulemency, but he made up a plan that lead to the death of one of the most powerful wizards in the world. Heck, even Peter was an animagus when he was what, 15, 16. What the hell is Harry doing?
That's the crux of the matter, isn't it? All this time Harry hasn't tried to better himself, yet he has all these examples of wizards beginning to show greatness at the same age as he. Dumbledore can be added to the list above, remember the O.W.L. examiner said that she saw Dumbledore do things with a wand in his exam that she had never seen before? Harry seems unmotivated and unwilling to work, or even to try to gain anything - power, greatness, or just vengeance on his parent's murderer."
Would like to see some of <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3557725/1/Forging_the_Sword' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Motivated!Harry</a>.
 
#11
didn't Harry 'technicaly' died in Deadly Hallows? so then there is the possibility of the Harem being widowed and Harry living as normal without knowing abot it and then marry another girl (even the canon Ginny marriage which still came out of nowhere for me)
P.D. and honestly the sixth book never made ANY sense for me.
 

Voivod

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#12
shioran toushin said:
didn't Harry 'technicaly' died in Deadly Hallows? so then there is the possibility of the Harem being widowed and Harry living as normal without knowing abot it and then marry another girl (even the canon Ginny marriage which still came out of nowhere for me)
P.D. and honestly the sixth book never made ANY sense for me.
Unless the Ministry has some-sort of magical device that automatically records the deaths of witches and wizards, I don`t think Harry would've ever been considered Legally Dead, as he would've been gone an hour tops. If the had signed a Magical contract I could see it, invalidating upon his death. Perhaps Harry being a nice guy, or some girls could try and use it as a loophole but I don`t see much of an effect. Of course that is just my interpretation.

Anyway this seems really intriguing and I'd love to see something come of this
 

loki-l

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#13
Voivod said:
Unless the Ministry has some-sort of magical device that automatically records the deaths of witches and wizards, I don`t think Harry would've ever been considered Legally Dead, as he would've been gone an hour tops.
If they had such a device, someone clearly wasn't paying attention to it when Barty Jr., Peter Petigrew or Tom Riddle were concerned.

With all the fics out there I have never seen one that actually tried to get Harry out of obligations by using the "I died" loophole. Nobody ever tried to cheat him out of his fortune that way either. It might make for an original plot point, but perhaps not for this story.
 
#14
IIRC there were one fic that had harry loose his 'fortune' by dieing in DH.
but then he didn't lose any sleep for it.
 

Lord Raine

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#16
If you want a shonen, go read a shonen. Don't read Harry Potter. All of those people were geniuses. Harry was a genius at nothing, except possibly Defense, and it was clearly illustrated how he was playing with seventh year and above material before he was even in his fifth year.

He could also be argued as being a genius teacher, seeing how he turned a bunch of schoolchildren into a force capable of holding off an entire group of Death Eaters in a running firefight.

But that's not good enough for you, is it? No, it isn't. Because having your talent be "is a really awesome teacher and excells at defense" isn't flashy enough.

But the problem is, even there? You're still wrong. I don't know what books you were reading, but they clearly weren't the same ones I was. Because in the ones I read, Harry killed a thousand year old Basilisk in second year, and became Triwizard Champion in fourth. Did James do that? Riddle? Anyone EVER?
 
#17
but he kinda/seemed to lose that 'awesomeness' in the 6th book, i personally never understood the 'wanting to live like a normal child while I KNOW that a fucking madman with a veritable army is going AFTER ME, DUMBLEDORE & HOGWARTS, killed my parents, my godfather, maimed my friends and has gone after me EVERY FUCKING YEAR + the goverment sent DEMENTORS after me' IMHO he just held the idiot ball and felt motivated to behave like a brat-normal teen, and when he was doing something important, like finding about the Draco plot, he got ignored, belieted and called crazy.
so still he got the idiot marble while every 'good' held the beach ball, except Albus, he just held the basketball sized one.
 

Lord Raine

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#18
The Marauders were only awesome because they worked together. They would not have accomplished any of what they did alone. Voldemort was a one in a generation genius, and even then, the ritual for Horcrux creation is not actually that difficult. Try not to forget that one got made by sheer fucking accident. It's obscurity and Evilness? is what makes it rare, not it's difficulty.

Harry had done more by the end of his fourth year than the Marauders, Snape, and Voldemort had done COMBINED.

And even if you wanted to argue the point, and I know some of you do, whether you actually have a point at all or not, it doensn't change the fact that this is not a goddamn shonen. It saddens me that you consider the fact that Harry is not a dumb ape quasi-caveman armsrace of power escalation a bad thing. What? Because your hero doesn't constantly get new powerups, suddenly he's lame? Then clearly this is not a series for you.
 
#19
Raine did you respond to my post?
because my problem with the 6th book was going from the 5th ending of Shit just got real and incoming conflict i got the WTF plot of Harry and everyone else suddenly behaving ooc.
Harry behaving like a normal teen, idiocy and all, wich he is not and didn't show signs of that behavior before
Albus with his really idiotic suicide plan, that somewhat worked in the end.
harry's friends not taking him seriously when months before thwey followed him willingly into the MM knowing that it was most likely a trap.

and siriouslyt the 2 things that Harry never did were the Animagus thing and the Spell creation because unless something is after him or threatening his people he IS rather lazy and came from a damaged background.
 

loki-l

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#20
I think part of the problem with Harry's 'lack of awesomeness' is the fact that he is an absolutely average teenager who doe not apply himself very much when he is not in a life and death situation and who get most of his specialness handed to him on a silver platter.

He chooses the least academically challenging electives in school. He does not seem to study much and his OWL results were mostly E's. He is no genius and unlike for example the twins he does not work too much outside his studies to improve himself as a hobby.

Harry eventually becomes a teenager with normal teenage hormones and moods, with alls the idiocy that implies. He might be better at DADA than most of his classmates, but that is mostly because they had abysmal teachers and Harry had a real need to learn. Draco still gets the better of him on the train in sixth year, so he is far from invincible. Much of his success in the tri-wizard competition can be explained by sheer dumb luck and fake-moody secretly helping him.

Most of what makes Harry special is not something he had to work for or can take much credit for. The Prophecy, his connection to and protection from Voldemort, his parseltounge talent are all just things that happen to him through no fault of his own. He inherits his cloak and his map. The times when he has to actually make an effort to gain some advantage are few and far between like him learning patronus and accico when he has to. But he also fails to learn occulomancy completely, so its a hit and miss.

Canon Harry Potter is not the ?ber-Wizard that many fanfics would like him to be. In theory having a more average hero might make it easier for the readers to connect with him, but judging by the amount of fics that 'fix' things by making Harry smarter and more powerful many people feel differently.

Really, in my opinion Harry could achieve high levels of increased awesomeness simply by getting more motivated than in canon.
 

Lord Raine

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#21
He chooses the least academically challenging electives in school.
NEWT Potions? NEWT Transfiguration? Any lessons at all with Hagrid? Let's stop beating around the bush; you're complaining that Harry chose not to learn magical calculus (Arithmancy) or a different language (Runes). I find that exceedingly petty.

doe not apply himself very much when he is not in a life and death situation
Taking extra lessons with Lupin doesn't count, then?

who get most of his specialness handed to him on a silver platter.
You need to pull that fanon stick out your ass. Ignoring the fact that the major theme of Harry Potter is "fame and talent is overrated and ultimately doesn't mean anything," Harry worked his ass off to be able to cast a viable Patronus, and he earned every single bit of his skill in combat. If you think SPECIALNESS is what makes Harry Potter good, then I would argue that you've completely missed the point of the entire series.

He does not seem to study much
Neither does Hermione. Rowling does not show characters studying, because studying is deadly boring. The only time we ever see study sessions is when characters start talking about something else that is relevant to the plot, or when they get interrupted by or turn into events that are relevant to the plot. We also don't see nearly any of the actual classes for the same reasons, plus the fact that it would have been a pain to invent hundreds and hundreds of class scenes, and even more of a pain to write them all out.

unlike for example the twins he does not work too much outside his studies to improve himself
That's hilarious. Since when did the twins ever do anything even sort of like that? The twins only ever gave a damn about one thing, and that was pranking. It's just their luck that they were able to turn it into a job. You will note that Fred and George never finished their education.

Most of what makes Harry special is not something he had to work for or can take much credit for. The Prophecy, his connection to and protection from Voldemort, his parseltounge talent are all just things that happen to him through no fault of his own.
Someone didn't pay any attention to the books. The prophecy was total bunk, his protection from Voldemort was a gift from his mother, and the parseltounge was far more of a curse than it was a gift. Name one time being a parselmouth actually helped Harry? You can't. The one time it could have been useful (the Chamber of Secrets), the snake in question chose to ignore the fact that Harry could talk to it in favor of trying to eat him.

What makes Harry special is that he is brave and kind and noble and clever and intrinsically noble in his outlook on life. And, most of all, what makes him special is that Harry does not crave power. He does not want it, he does not desire it, and he would not accept it if it was offered to him. It is these traits that make Harry special. This was explicitly stated to be true in the books, and they are part of what makes Harry, Harry. To argue that they are poor traits because he did not have to work for these traits is absurd. Since when did you ever work for any of the positive traits inherent to what makes you you? Does that make those traits any less valid or commendable?

You need to drop the delusion that something can only have worth if you first have to expend a great deal of effort to acquire it.
 

loki-l

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#22
The fact that Harry and Ron choose their electives because they were less challenging is canon. Maybe I am biased because of my feeling for real life people who choose 'easy' subjects and avoided 'hard' subjects like math, science and foreign languages as much as possible, but that decision simply does not endear Harry to me.

As mentioned I consider the lessons with Lupin to cast the Patronus as one of the few positive exceptions where Harry actually applied himself, but the truth is that if it weren't for the immediate threat of the Dementors he probably wouldn't have brothered.

I used the twins as an example of people who really fail academically but still mange to achieve something outside of their normal studies. They invent innovative things like extendable ears and create things like portable swamps. The marauders made their map and became animagi. Severus Snape literally corrected the textbook in potions class and invented new spells. Riddle started out like Harry but he had the ambition to excel. Even Neville seems to have a Hobby in herbelogy that he puts in extra effort outside class. There are many canon examples of people Harry's age achieving something new or extraordinary outside their classes. Harry never really created anything new or build any magical artifacts.

Harry is a nice guy. Kind and courageous and everything. When pressed into something he does perform well, but he usually needs some outside push like a teacher dragging him to the quidditch captain or a death eater entering him into the Tri-Wizard tournament or talked into holding the DA by Hermione. The closest he came to an extracurricular effort not motivated by a direct outside threat or something that he was dragged into by his friends, was stalking Malfoy in 6th year. Maybe if he didn't have the threat of Voldemort and death eaters hanging over him he would have developed some hobbies to pass the time or started some project.

I just would have liked it if at some point Harry would have seen something and thought. "That looks cool. I want to do that." or "Look. what I've made."

Don't get me wrong. The Aesop of the power of determination, courage , love and friendship winning over dark magic is definitely worthwhile. But Harry could have been also been cool and awesome if he also focused a bit more on his Ravenclaw and Slytherine traits of curiosity and ambition in addition to being a nice guy Gryffindor/Hufflepuff.
 

Ordo

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#23
loki-l said:
The fact that Harry and Ron choose their electives because they were less challenging is canon. Maybe I am biased because of my feeling for real life people who choose 'easy' subjects and avoided 'hard' subjects like math, science and foreign languages as much as possible, but that decision simply does not endear Harry to me.

As mentioned I consider the lessons with Lupin to cast the Patronus as one of the few positive exceptions where Harry actually applied himself, but the truth is that if it weren't for the immediate threat of the Dementors he probably wouldn't have brothered.
Here's the thing, Harry chooses to stand up to the forces of Darkness from book one, and is seen going out of his way to do that in every single book in the series. I mean he takes defense against the Dark Arts VERY seriously, and when it comes to application and field expierence goes much farther than many others.

Harry never really created anything new or build any magical artifacts.
.....because he's kind of busy fighting the forces of Darkness? I mean standing against evil IS Harry's hobby, along with Quidditch. And claiming he had to be dragged into playing Quidditch is unfair. His professor introduced him to the team the very instant he showed any talent for the riding a broom. That's like me playing kickball during recess for the first time in kindergarden and being dragged over to the soccer field immediatly afterwards. I don't know what Soccer is but the teacher seems to think I'd be good at it.

Harry excelled at that game, became team captain eventually, and managed to get Ron to be a rather brilliant goalie.

A lot of Harry's life was influence by forces outside his control, but that should not be allowed to take away from the things he has accomplished. He took the hard road, he stayed in the fight and told the truth even when the wizarding world called him a liar. He learned to defend himself and then taught others to do so, even when it would've been easier to do nothing. How many lives has he saved by standing up for what he believes in, for pushing through when things looked bleak?

Then you come here and say he's not awesome enough because he didn't take up a hobby (not true) or because he didn't invent something?
 

Ninsaneja

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If I was a wizard, my hobbies would probably be the same. Only, I think the porn I watch would be more interesting.

Get some metamorphmagus action imo. $19.99 per month on MorphingHonies.wiz
 
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actually IIRC unless there are outside forces involved (like the need to learn Patronus because his extreme reaction to dementors) Harry is not motivated to excel in anything, except maybe quiddich because it's fun time for him and DADA because he is rather talented in it, and has Ron as a 'bad' influence, mostly because Ron IS rather normal and wants to have an easy education and find a work after school and if there weren't for the prophesy or if Voldy stayed dead Harry could have the same aspiration, but alas that isn't the case.
also Remember that until the Sixth book harry was a child in the desition making process outside of extremelly stressful situations. 10-15 yo
and when he was 16 he made some 'bad' decitions.

and the Newts weren't for genii, but they were the naturall progression of the academic journey, also they were requeried for Auror.
so lazy and unmotivated in school Harry was.

and about the Twins: didn't their pranks involved some rather advanced/obscure/innovative research and reverse engeenering and wanted to become part of Zonko, you know that Pranking supplies store in Hogsmade? so don't come sprouting shit like
That's hilarious. Since when did the twins ever do anything even sort of like that? The twins only ever gave a damn about one thing, and that was pranking. It's just their luck that they were able to turn it into a job. You will note that Fred and George never finished their education.
and fred&George did that Final prank to distract Umbridge and let the DA continue on their quest?


also Harry's strong point was his people skills and DADA more than his more academicaly/innovative aspects, because he ,like many have said , just wasn't motivated to excel.
 
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