Harry Potter Harry's Secret Harem

jimmy73

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#26
It's interesting to see the various ways fanon works itself into people's minds, eventually replacing entire parts of canon.
 

pidl

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#27
jimmy73 said:
It's interesting to see the various ways fanon works itself into people's minds, eventually replacing entire parts of canon.
Especially the Ron as 'bad' influence. That one is really starting to get on my nerves.

actually IIRC unless there are outside forces involved (like the need to learn Patronus because his extreme reaction to dementors) Harry is not motivated to excel in anything, except maybe quiddich because it's fun time for him and DADA because he is rather talented in it
So apparantly all people should try to excel in things they:

1) don't like
and
2) are bad in it?

What kind of retarded logic is that?
 
#28
Ron IS Lazy on schoolwork because he is behaving like a normal average student would, Hemione IS overachieving because she is a book worm and LIKES the school.
Harry is in a fucked up situation, wanting to be normal and sides with Ron because that is what most of the normal kids do.
preffering having fun to study (unless they find sttudying fun) and if you had a little reading comprenhension you would note the quotation marks in the 'bad' because i put them there to imply that Ron's normal 'lazyness' can be and is considered a Bad influence on Harry.
or to be more clear: kid A is an underachiever and is friend with kid B who follows kid A because what he does is entretaining for him and keep postponing their homework, even if they get average or avobe average grades the parents of kid B would consider kid A to be a 'bad' influence.


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So apparantly all people should try to excel in things they:

1) don't like
and
2) are bad in it?

What kind of retarded logic is that?
apart from Hystory and potions what are the classes that Harry doesn't like or is doing bad on them?
did you not try to excel in school or in your job?
because if you didn't well some people would call you mediocre or simply stagnant, but then I fortunately ain't you.
 

pidl

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#29
shioran toushin said:
Ron IS Lazy on schoolwork because he is behaving like a normal average student would, Hemione IS overachieving because she is a book worm and LIKES the school.
Harry is in a fucked up situation, wanting to be normal and sides with Ron because that is what most of the normal kids do.
preffering having fun to study (unless they find sttudying fun) and if you had a little reading comprenhension you would note the quotation marks in the 'bad' because i put them there to imply that Ron's normal 'lazyness' can be and is considered a Bad influence on Harry.
or to be more clear: kid A is an underachiever and is friend with kid B who follows kid A because what he does is entretaining for him and keep postponing their homework, even if they get average or avobe average grades the parents of kid B would consider kid A to be a 'bad' influence.


and for
So apparantly all people should try to excel in things they:

1) don't like
and
2) are bad in it?

What kind of retarded logic is that?
apart from Hystory and potions what are the classes that Harry doesn't like or is doing bad on them?
did you not try to excel in school or in your job?
because if you didn't well some people would call you mediocre or simply stagnant, but then I fortunately ain't you.
It's still Harry deciding to play chess, and not Ron forcing him to do it. Harry can say no as much as he wants. According to your logic, basically the only 'good' influence there is, is Hermione. Yet, she was influenced by Harry and Ron to become less obsessed with grades, is that than also considered a 'bad' influence?


And for that second part the way you phrased it looked to me that you were complaining that Harry didn't want to excel except for quidditch and DADA but you think those don't count because he enjoys them/is good at them.

So the way I read it was that you said that excelling at something only counts when you hate it/are bad at it.

And as for me trying to excel in school? It depends on what you consider excel. Do I try to get an average of 16/20? No. Can I get that average? If I wanted to. But that would mean I have to devote all my time to it, time I could devote to other things, like having a social life. I try to excel in getting decent grades (12/20) with a minimum of effort. There simply isn't any advantage in devoting all that time in getting 16, or at least not enough advantages for me to consider.
 
#30
no, i meant that he only felt motivated to excel on those two things because quiddich was fun and he needed DADA to survive.
and yes both Harry and Ron can be considered 'bad' influences on Hermione, and ithey are called influences because they influence you, not make you do anything you don't want, but in the ent the 3 of them balanced eachother even if some of us would have felt better if Harry and Ron woke up from their dream of 'normality' (because as long as Rond decides to stay with Harry his life can never be normal, at least until Voldy is dead and we ignore the celebrity boom) and steped up in the 6th book instead of Rowling diminishing the importance that the end of the 5th book should have on the characters beyond going emo.
Influence: the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself
:the influence of television violence
I was still under the influence of my parents
their friends are having a bad influence on them


the power to shape policy or ensure favorable treatment from someone, especially through status, contacts, or wealth:
the institute has considerable influence with teachers

a person or thing with the capacity or power to have an effect on someone or something:
Frank was a good influence on her


and if you reread my posts they were about how Harry didn't have enoug motivation to excel in other areas because they held little interest for him, he has the capacity to excel in them? Yes. Has he the motivation to excel in them? No, because the only subjects that mattered to him were DADA, Quiddich and how to stop the Evil plot of the year.
 

pidl

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#31
shioran toushin said:
and if you reread my posts they were about how Harry didn't have enoug motivation to excel in other areas because they held little interest for him, he has the capacity to excel in them? Yes. Has he the motivation to excel in them? No, because the only subjects that mattered to him were DADA, Quiddich and how to stop the Evil plot of the year.
But he doesn't really have the capacity to excel. Well, he probably has the 'capacity' but he doesn't have the time. Excelling at something takes a lot of time unless you're already good at it. He already spends a lot of time on excelling at quidditch and DADA. And the other time he has is spent on the Evil plot of the year.

So he spends his time on the Evil plot because you know, it's going to kill him otherwise. Then he spends the remaining time in excelling at quidditch and DADA, why those two and not something else? Because he likes them.

I mean, personally I find it highly impressive that between all those life-threatening situations he still finds the time to excel at two subjects. That's more than we can say about 99,9% of the other people in the books.
 
#32
actually if you go by that logic he only excels at quiddich because as you know DADA keeps him alive, also he has the time to do well in other subjects as the Evil plot of the year happens gradually and it's not the all consuming task it could be.
also Quiddich he just spends the same time as everyone else on the team, no more and honestly he spendt less time practising it than any other member of the team.

he shows no trouble at all mastering and learning spellwork that is too adanced for his peers, he did learn Sectusempra from a few notes on Snape's book, IMHO the actual papaerwork is what he finds boring, uninteresting and tedious because he does really good on the practical side of it, even if and when he doesn't give his 100%.
 

pidl

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#33
shioran toushin said:
actually if you go by that logic he only excels at quiddich because as you know DADA keeps him alive, also he has the time to do well in other subjects as the Evil plot of the year happens gradually and it's not the all consuming task it could be.
also Quiddich he just spends the same time as everyone else on the team, no more and honestly he spendt less time practising it than any other member of the team.

he shows no trouble at all mastering and learning spellwork that is too adanced for his peers, he did learn Sectusempra from a few notes on Snape's book, IMHO the actual papaerwork is what he finds boring, uninteresting and tedious because he does really good on the practical side of it, even if and when he doesn't give his 100%.
Oh, he 'does well' in all his subjects, at least his OWL scores say so, he just doesn't excel at them. And how do you know he spent less time practicing? Unless you mean when he's in the hospital/detention, which still doesn't give him anymore time to do other things then the rest of the team. Besides, how does practicing just as much as the others on the team mean he has a lot of time? Perhaps the others on the team also don't have much time to study other things.

And yet he struggled a lot with learning 'accio.' A spell we can assume he had plenty of motivation to learn, you know, a dragon.
 
#34
well i made a mistake there.
Historically he has on year less of training compared to his teamates + he didn't even knew what quiddich was while most of the team grew on quiddich?
and the accio was what on the fifth-Sixth year curriculum? also while most of them learned it in the span of months IN class with a competetnt and experienced tutor, he got it at most in 2 months between clasess at irregular and inconsistent intervals and with the help of Hermione.

also He too srtruggled with the patronus spell, but he did cast it unlike many full trained and grown wizards, or what about resisting the imperious? he also strugled with it but he resisted it.

Honestly , and correct me if i'm wrong, but the only subjects in which Harry really struggled were potions (and with Snape looking over your shoulders, the Slytherins , draco principally geting on your case i would applaud you if you did not struggle on it) and Occlumency and that was because .... actually, did we learn Why harry couldn't defend himself correctly and Draco could in more or less the same period of time? besides the Snape is a bad teacher-Harry didn't want to learn from him theory?
 

Ordo

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#35
shioran toushin if you want a character that excels at everything during his magical education, can I suggest "In the Name of The Wind" by Patrick Rothfuss, that might be more to your liking.
 

pidl

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#36
shioran toushin said:
well i made a mistake there.
Historically he has on year less of training compared to his teamates + he didn't even knew what quiddich was while most of the team grew on quiddich?
and the accio was what on the fifth-Sixth year curriculum? also while most of them learned it in the span of months IN class with a competetnt and experienced tutor, he got it at most in 2 months between clasess at irregular and inconsistent intervals and with the help of Hermione.

also He too srtruggled with the patronus spell, but he did cast it unlike many full trained and grown wizards, or what about resisting the imperious? he also strugled with it but he resisted it.

Honestly , and correct me if i'm wrong, but the only subjects in which Harry really struggled were potions (and with Snape looking over your shoulders, the Slytherins , draco principally geting on your case i would applaud you if you did not struggle on it) and Occlumency and that was because .... actually, did we learn Why harry couldn't defend himself correctly and Draco could in more or less the same period of time? besides the Snape is a bad teacher-Harry didn't want to learn from him theory?
You know, you got me really confused about what exactly you are arguing for.

And is it ever stated which year they are supposed to learn it? Hermione managed it a lot faster and she was less motivated. And wut? Months spent on a single spell in class? That would mean they know circa 20 spells when they graduate.
 
#37
you know what? you are right, it's never specified how their curriculum went.
and i went into the discussion saying that one of the reasons for harry to not excel in various things was because he hadn't the interest or the motivation to do it, not because he were an idiot/underachieving/etc. and then it delved into this.
 

rdde

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#38
Harry had his motivation verbally and physically beaten out of him by his relatives for most of his formative years.

Can you imagine Aunt Petunia or Uncle Vernon giving a two year old Harry the love, the care and the attention that he needs? Or Harry maintaining his motivation through primary school as he was beaten up for being better than Dudley or not being Dudley's victim and then forced into his cupboard without so much as medical attention? Or being told that he was a freak and that his parents were wastes of life?

Children are not resilient! Adopting some kid who was abused for eleven years, plan to shower him or her with love and expecting everything will be hunky dory will only end in tears. You will also need a good crowbar, a lot of hard work and patience to fix the child or you will unleash yet another psychopath onto the world.

I'd like to see how James Potter, Albus Dumbledore, Snape, Draco and perhaps even Voldemort can maintain their respective motivations to achieve as much under the same childhood circumstances. A Motivated!Harry is an OOC!Harry. Cut the poor guy some slack.



Back on topic, is it just me or is this idea expecting that Harry won't fall in love with someone else while all this hanky panky is going on? I'd like to see how his shadow-harem-of-bethrothed-wives would deal with Harry publicly falling in love with Hermione or something. :snigger:
 

Lord Raine

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#39
Since this get necro'd. . .

With all the fics out there I have never seen one that actually tried to get Harry out of obligations by using the "I died" loophole. Nobody ever tried to cheat him out of his fortune that way either. It might make for an original plot point, but perhaps not for this story.
I have. It was a oneshot. Harry Won? and wiped out Voldemort. However, Fudge hated Harry, and a lot of people in the Ministry were utterly terrified of him because of how powerful he was. So they decided to bring him up on charges of murder for killing Voldemort. In Wizarding Law, you have to be brought before the Wizengamot and have whatever crimes you've committed confirmed by a jury of your peers. Because Voldemort had never been captured, he had never stood trial, and because he had never stood trial, "Tom Marvelo Riddle" was, technically speaking, legally innocent of any wrongdoing, as none of his crimes had ever been confirmed before a jury of his peers.

So Harry gets dragged up before the Wizengamot, and they're going to sentence him to death, and Dumbledore is there, and he's tried to get Harry off and has argued at what an injustice and travesty this is, but his hands are completely tied, because nearly everybody is terrified of Harry and is for this, and they are technically correct, as far as legality goes.

So they render the sentence, but before the closing, they ask Harry if he has anything to say. He blurts you "you can't kill me" in a panic. Fudge laughs, and asks why.

Harry is all "You can't kill me because. . . because. . . " and he gets this distant, far-away look in his eye. Then he said the kicker.

"You can't kill me. I'm already dead."

Everybody stops.

Wait, what?

Harry explains. "It's a matter of public record that the Potters were attacked by Voldemort at the end of his first reign, right? And it's also a matter of public record that Harry James Potter was struck by the killing curse, right?

"Well, the Killing Curse is unsurvivable. Everybody knows that. And no magic can resurrect the dead. Everybody knows that, too. Ergo, Harry James Potter died when he was one year old."

Fudge is flabbergasted. He turns around and consults a group of wizened members who are carrying books of law. They flip through pages back and forth, whispering furiously. Fudge gets paler, and paler, and paler.

Finally, shaking, he turns around. Harry was right. No one can survive the Killer Curse. Anyone struck by it is dead. His hand trembling, he has no choice but to strike his gavel and declare that Harry James Potter is free of all crimes, and indeed legally cannot commit any crimes, because he is a dead man, and you cannot apply crimes to people after they've died in wizarding law. He can't be incriminated for anything. Ever. He has total, absolute legal immunity to do whatever the hell he wants, and there's nothing they can do to stop him.

Everyone is stunned. Horrified, even. Harry Potter smiles, stands up, and hits Fudge with a Killing Curse. He falls off his podium, and hits the floor. Harry walks out of the courtroom, whistling jauntily and twirling his wand. Dumbledore is laughing.
 

Lord Raine

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#41
He-who-voted-for-Kodos said:
...I think I'd kind of like to read that. Do you have a link?
I would, but I can't remember what it was called or who wrote it. Just that it was a one-shot, and that synopsis is pretty much the entire thing in a nutshell.

It was actually really good. Short, but a fun read, and with an obvious crowning moment of awesome. Plus the silent implication that the Ministry, and indeed everybody who decided to kill Harry out of fear of him, is completely and utterly fucked, because they not only tipped their entire hand by showing him exactly who they all are, but their attempt to kill him wound up making him legally invincible.

I like to think that Harry spent the next month or so casually killing them off one by one in public places, and nobody could so much as lift a finger to help or stop it.

And Dumbledore was laughing all the way to the bank. The only thing that could have made the fic more awesome is if the author had worked the twins in there somewhere, and their reaction to what amounts to the ultimate prank on the entire magical world.
 

rdde

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#42
LR, your synopsis is much better and more enthralling than what I could write. I am so jealous.
 

vessal

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#44
well my favorite part of the idea was the part were a familiy died out but gave Harry Potter something for getting revenge for them by killing Voldy wish there were more like that
 

Yamakami

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#45
Excellent fic that addresses that point and many other apparent fanon theories and plot holes:
<a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4912291/1/The_Best_Revenge' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4912291/1/The_Best_Revenge</a>

It did turn out that Harry had received gifts of money and property from people who had lost family to Voldemort, but his fan mail was full of portkeys, cursed or poisoned gifts and tracking charms so Dumbledore had had to put total ban on all mail. DD was very busy so he could not check all the packages and letters so they piled up in storage rooms at Hogwarts.

Also, Harry's vault is called a trust vault because it holds all that is left of the Potter fortune in trust.
As in James Potter was not allowed to use that money to fund the war against Voldemort.
Like the saying goes, you need three things to wage war: Money, money and more money. :sisi:
In his defense, money wouldn't have helped him if they lost the war so best to use it.
 

Innortal

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#47
I think Harry's lackluster desire to apply himself and excel was created thanks to the Dursleys.

At some point, he must have thought if he could prove his worth at school, they might treat him better.

I doubt they enjoyed him surpassing Dudley.

After that, he saw no point in it, so just started coasting. I doubt as a kid, he saw any point in it, thanks to them insisting he'd be nothing, so didn't really plan for after school, such as college, because that's not something 5-6 year olds think about. It could also explain why he hates the Boy-Who-Lived expectations. Such things as being valued earned him nothing but pain in the past.

Nothing to suggest it has changed, because thanks to it, he now has people trying to kill him.

He was set to become this way thanks to the Dursleys, and no one sought to try and change this.
 
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