Nasuverse Heroic Villian Ranma or some such

[shout27]

the main premise of the story is that Ranma is framed for a mass murder at the time of the first Grail War. from there one of the main families involved manipulate his story into a legend to fit a class of their choosing and when the fourth Grail War happens he pops up.
some of the things i have been trying to figure out was how they would spread the story without it being dismissed out of hand, i can see it being dismissed as another myth by the time of the fourth as long as at the time it was believed worldwide.
one of the other ideas i had was for him to have an altered version of the Vacuum blade, and the explanation given was he found the scroll his father used for his ideas which when combined with his knowledge/experiences with the final technique has made him capable of one which can extend up to six feet before it pulls itself apart.

 

[Fatuous One]

...What?

Firstly, the first Grail War took place in 1800, so unless Ranma (and I'm assuming that you mean Ranma from Ranma 1/2) is suddenly from the seventeen hundreds... That doesn't work. Secondly, Ranma doesn't know the Yamasenken (which I'm assuming is what you're talking about with the vacuum blades). Legends can influence NP's and people's potential power, but the Yamasenken would be actual knowledge of a technique, which Ranma doesn't know, canonly.

Please be more comprehensive, I can't understand what you're talking about.

 

[shout27]

Yes, Ranma 1/2
Sorry, :sweat: i just wanted to show what i had thought of, considering the fact that the Umisenken scroll ended up being used as a wrapping. I didn't think it would take a considerable stretch of imagination to have Ranma find, a for lack of a better word, an ideas scroll by Genma which has at most the foundations of the foundation for the Umisenken, Yamisenken, and a few ideas he never developed upon due to his concentration on thieving.
Now as for the First Grail War I'm not entirely sure what i want to do there but i do want them involved with him from that time period, maybe a deriative of him (Ranma) where his master learned who he was to be and planned for a way to control him or something.
as for the legend spreading i just don't want scientists to utterly dismiss his legend from a lack of proof that what he did was possible the way he did it.

 

[Fatuous One]

Now as for the First Grail War I'm not entirely sure what i want to do there but i do want them involved with him from that time period, maybe a deriative of him (Ranma) where his master learned who he was to be and planned for a way to control him or something.

Personally, I would avoid that idea. What you'd be doing is basically no different from those fics that stick the various characters into a 'high school' setting for no reason. Ranma is Ranma, he's from 1980 (or something close to that period), not 1800. If you must, use something like the Nanban mirror and throw Ranma into that time.

As for 'scientific disproving' and such... well, you're completely overlooking the point of this stuff. Legends and myths exist regardless of whether these things are 'possible'. Most people don't actually believe that there was a guy in Greek who knows how long ago that was the son of Zeus and so powerful he could hold up the skies. That doesn't mean that Heracles' legend is any less valid in such cases. If rumors and lots of crap spread about a guy who can chuck vacuum blades and around and all that jazz, and it STAYS about enough that it sticks in people's minds, then there's no reason why some glasses wearing blokes should make that anything less then what it is. *shrug*

And no, it isn't all that much of a stretch to think that Ranma could learn the Yamasenken one way or another. He doesn't already know it though. The author should add something within the fic that allows him to gain knowledge of it, as having him just 'know' it one way or another leads to stupid fanon beliefs.

 

[raedric]

The only real way I can see Ranma in the first grail war is for him to become a great hero in his own time, because as Archer proves it doesn't matter if they're from the past, present, or future. He would have to be a servant, though. Preferably taking Archers place!

 

[shout27]

okay , what i don't think your getting is that Ranma will have his own lesser version of the Vacuum Blade technique and some ideas for others he will not be actively improving on said technique as he'll see that haveing SIX feet of unstoppable cutting power at his command as more than enough for himself. what i meant by expierence with the Genma's version is he already knows the ending point of the tech. the scroll i'm bringing in will have at the very most the starting directions for making VBs.

Great Hero in his own time, yup, his Master uses a command seal on Ranma to learn his story, that will be where the manipulations begin for developing the kind of Noble Phantasm they wish him to have as well as manipulating his future story to make up for any of his truly weak points.

Random thought, i wonder if i should rate his luck as E outside of battle and A within.

 

[FH_Meta]

I have no idea why, but I feel that if Ranma is summoned, that he should end up as Beowulf, and whatever class you feel would be appropriate.

 

[ttestagr]

No no no, Ranma in the Grail War is a bad bad idea. Canon Ranma is a comedic tool and can't be taken seriously, and fanon Ranma that is used for serious stories is annoying and painful to read.

Besides, Ranma gets crossed with everything. Leave Type Moon out of it.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Wouldn't it be amusing if, thanks to the Internet, the characters of a videogame eventually became legendary, and people thought they really existed, somewhere in the far future?

Imagine a Grail War where someone summons Assassin... and ends up with Sephiroth (and Koujiro is a precedent, so it's possible).

Or having someone summon Rei from BoF3 as Berserker... although, would he turn into the Weretiger when berserking? That was how he lost control...

It's just a random idea, but feel free to dissect it.

 

[shout27]

Hey Ttestagr, if you're serious i'll drop the idea.

 

[shout27]

meh, fuck it, i like this idea so i'm going to continue it though it'll be awhile before i put it up in the previews section.

 

[evilplushie]

It would be kind of amusing if Ranma was to be summoned as Berserker. In permanent Neko-ken mode. Otherwise, it'd be a bit hard to Ranma to fit any of the classes or even the general feel of FSN.

 

[Steel]

Amusingly, and while I don't know near as much about FSN as other members of the board, but assuming that someone does go with this idea...I could see him summoned as Caster.

 

[evilplushie]

Doesn't caster actually have to know some spells? I could see Lina Inverse summoned as Caster but probably not Ranma. Or maybe Gosukungi could summon Caster accidentally, have Caster kill him and then Ranma would become Casters new master by accident.

And I don't think Ranma needs much pushing to become a legend. I mean, he did kill Saffron. That's already an event that could be manipulated to push him into legend status .

 

[Moshulel]

Great Hero in his own time, yup, his Master uses a command seal on Ranma to learn his story, that will be where the manipulations begin for developing the kind of Noble Phantasm they wish him to have as well as manipulating his future story to make up for any of his truly weak points.

Sigh...

Not possible >>> Check Archers case for reference.