I can't believe I'm going to say this

sith2886

sith2886

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Just finished One More Day and I have to say....It's not as bad as I thought it would be.
the plot is shaky and stupid I'll give you but its not the 'I want your marriage just for the lulz' I had been lead to believe.

There is a legitimate reasoning behind Mephisto wanting the Marriage and Peter did, from the very begining of the arc say He'd do anything.

Don't get me wrong I wanted to hate it but, I just...can't. :huh.:

Do I still hate them for doing it yes,but all in all it's not that bad.

7.5/10
 
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A Curious Stranger

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The stupidity isn't that Mephisto wanted the marriage gone.

The stupidity is the fact that Peter agreed to make a deal with the Devil.
 
sith2886

sith2886

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Only after every possible source he could think of/went to/watched himself go to was expired.
 
Prince Charon

Prince Charon

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sith2886 said:
Only after every possible source he could think of/went to/watched himself go to was expired.
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Its still stupid, especially given that he didn't do that when Aunt May died in the '90s, and he eliminated he daughter from ever having existed.
 
sith2886

sith2886

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When did I say it wasn't stupid? I said it was, and I quote
shaky and stupid
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but it was still a good read, pulled at my heartstrings and all that crap.
 
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GenocideHeart

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sith2886 said:
Only after every possible source he could think of/went to/watched himself go to was expired.
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Wrong. He explicitly refused to try Dr. Doom. Now, Doom may be a supervillain, but HE IS NOT THE DEVIL. In fact, he'd have been the first to tell Peter to NOT make deals with Mephisto, after the misery he put him through over his mom's soul. And Doom can also understand wanting to save family at all costs - he went to absurd lengths to save his mother's soul from Hell.

And for all that Doom is a villain, once he gives his word he keeps it. His self-esteem demands it.
 
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zeebee1

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That just goes to show you that Mephisto is seen a nicer guy by Superheroes than Dr. Doom.
 
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GenocideHeart

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zeebee1 said:
That just goes to show you that Mephisto is seen a nicer guy by Superheroes than Dr. Doom.
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Which is bullshit, given how even Dr. Doom wouldn't sink so low as to make a pact with him. Hell, when the F4 met Mephisto, Ben Grimm outright stated he made Doom look like a nice guy, and he's one of the few people the Silver Surfer actually genuinely HATES.
 
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Meinos Kaen

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GenocideHeart said:
zeebee1 said:
That just goes to show you that Mephisto is seen a nicer guy by Superheroes than Dr. Doom.
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Which is bullshit, given how even Dr. Doom wouldn't sink so low as to make a pact with him. Hell, when the F4 met Mephisto, Ben Grimm outright stated he made Doom look like a nice guy, and he's one of the few people the Silver Surfer actually genuinely HATES.
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... Guys, are you seriously arguing about the evilness or less evilness of freaking Satan marvel version?
 
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Chuckg

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GenocideHeart said:
And for all that Doom is a villain, once he gives his word he keeps it. His self-esteem demands it.
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Not to mention that Doom helped Reed save Kitty Pryde's life and didn't charge the X-Men anything at all. Granted, Victor was trying to take his payment in 'chunks carved off of Reed Richards' sanity', but that's Tuesday.
 
Prince Charon

Prince Charon

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Chuckg said:
GenocideHeart said:
And for all that Doom is a villain, once he gives his word he keeps it. His self-esteem demands it.
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Not to mention that Doom helped Reed save Kitty Pryde's life and didn't charge the X-Men anything at all. Granted, Victor was trying to take his payment in 'chunks carved off of Reed Richards' sanity', but that's Tuesday.
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Reed Richards To Do List:

Fix Everything.
 
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zeebee1

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That's what started World War Hulk. It's also the cause of the Civil War.
 
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Shiakou

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Prince Charon said:
Chuckg said:
GenocideHeart said:
And for all that Doom is a villain, once he gives his word he keeps it. His self-esteem demands it.
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Not to mention that Doom helped Reed save Kitty Pryde's life and didn't charge the X-Men anything at all. Granted, Victor was trying to take his payment in 'chunks carved off of Reed Richards' sanity', but that's Tuesday.
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Reed Richards To Do List:

Fix Everything.
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That's what started World War Hulk. It's also the cause of the Civil War.
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Reed Richards To Do List:

<s>Fix Everything. </s>

Go Into Private Practice. I can't try to fix the world's problems without making things worse.
 
Prince Charon

Prince Charon

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zeebee1 said:
That's what started World War Hulk. It's also the cause of the Civil War.
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No, that was on his to-do list in the comics after both events, during Dark Age. It was a new entry.
 
Prince Charon

Prince Charon

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GenocideHeart said:
There's a reason why a trope on TvTropes is called Reed Richards Is Useless.

:lol:
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Yeah. Its the reason someone wrote a fic that had one of Dr. Doom's minions tells him 'You've already won,' in regard to his competition with Richards.
 
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grant

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I haven't been reading the new Spider-man series, partly out of utter disgust and partly because I usually don't read mainstream works, but a thought occurs to me. The retcon is that Stark, Richards and Strange erased the memories of everyone in the world to protect Peter's identity right? Didn't Stark and Richards lead the pro-registration side a few issues ago in large part to prevent this sort of thing being done arbitrarily by super humans?
 
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zeebee1

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At one point Reed's explanation is that he developed a fortune telling machine that said either the registration happened or everyone died. He didn't care about manipulating people, and manipulation is all Stark was doing. Strange wa absent from the war so his actions are still valid.
 
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GenocideHeart

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zeebee1 said:
At one point Reed's explanation is that he developed a fortune telling machine that said either the registration happened or everyone died. He didn't care about manipulating people, and manipulation is all Stark was doing. Strange wa absent from the war so his actions are still valid.
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FORTUNE TELLING?

EVen Destiny's Diaries aren't 100% accurate, and Destiny was a bona fide farseer who could just plain see the future with ungodly accuracy. And I should believe Reed Richards built a FORTUNE TELLING MACHINE (in spite of him having gone on record as not believing in fate) that's more accurate than a seer who accurately predicted 99% of the events in the last 10 in-series years?
 
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Chuckg

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Oh yeah, the 'Reed has psychohistory!' thing was hilariously stupid.

For one thing, one of the FF's rogue's gallery is /defined/ by the psychohistory shtick -- the Mad Thinker. And its been a plot point of virtually every one of his storylines that there is an 'X factor' that renders psychohistorical calculations unreliable. I mean, really, for a guy whose entire shtick is using math to predict his memories, the Thinker never, ever actually wins. You think this would tell Reed something. Notably, that trying to predict the future with math /never works/.

Also, the SF novel "In The Country of The Blind" by Michael Flynn contains an excellent example of how psychohistory only works if nobody else in the equation is predicting or operating on future knowledge, because if more than one side has access to predictions then it just turns into a <a href='http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThirtyXanatosPileup' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Thirty Xanatos Pileup</a> played in four dimensions and you're right back to where you started from, that is, unable to know the future with certainty. And the MU is /full/ of time travellers and precogs; hell, one of them (Cable) was deliberately trying to manipulate the early stages of the Civil War, until he gave up and took his marbles and went home. Given that Reed's arch-enemy was the first guy to invent the time machine, not to mention Reed's own chronal explorations, not to mention the X-Men crossover arc that was sodding defined by people coming back from the 'Nightmare of Future Past' timeline that Reed was there for... you think Reed would already know this one.
 
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GenocideHeart

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There's also Kang the Conqueror, who's living proof that things can change if you try hard enough.
 
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zeebee1

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I think it was later retconned that Reed was tricked with magic or something. You shouldn't bet everything on knowledge if there are people who can alter the data.
 
akun50

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Actually, I thought people were pissed because Aunt May herself told Peter it was her time to go and that he should just let her pass on, but Peter decided it was better to give up his marriage and unborn baby to save her via the pact with Mephisto (aka Joe Quesada) and had more retcon BS with Mary Jane choosing to forget Peter.
 
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unwake

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akun50 said:
Actually, I thought people were pissed because Aunt May herself told Peter it was her time to go and that he should just let her pass on, but Peter decided it was better to give up his marriage and unborn baby to save her via the pact with Mephisto (aka Joe Quesada) and had more retcon BS with Mary Jane choosing to forget Peter.
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You nailed it right there. aside for the ending and the glaring fact that the MU's best and brightest couldn't do anything for a simple gunshot wound, it was a fairly sweet tale of coming to terms with a loved ones death. What ticked people off, myself included, was that it turned peter parker into a perpetually unemployed middle-aged schmuck mooching off his aunt. Also the recently explanation for why Mary Jane wanted it is chock full of unfortunate implications.
 
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