Nasuverse Ilya and Caster

[tjalorak]

Just a random idea thrown out here.

This would be an Ilya-centric story and from her POV. For whatever reason, she messes up and instead of Berserker, she gets Caster. While it would have the usual fight scenes and what not, I think the interesting part would be the dynamic between Ilya and Caster foremost and if Caster summons another Servant, then the trio.

The relevant point would be Ilya's a child... and Medea has child issues. Ilya, however, is a rather unique child. She's impulsive, arrogant, a fairly good Master, lots of magic circuits and knowledge, but also one that has lots of family issues and is a pretty insecure girl. For the first part, this probably means Ilya isn't going to alienate Caster as a Master and that with Ilya's power, Caster probably doesn't need to go around eating souls.

I've been reading through some of the translations of Fate / Zero novels and it's weird how different the tone is from Fate / Stay Night. I can't imagine growing up, knowing you're not really human, you're going to be sacrificed to be a vessel just like your mom was before you (paraphrased, as a kid, Ilya says that mom told her that she's going away and not coming back).

I was also reading through the Fate / Kaleid Liner manga. Granted, it's an alternate universe. However, I was stunned at how with just a little difference in family life brings out Ilya. She's got a sense of humor, she's imaginative, she wants to be friends with the other girl, she's emotionally stable... Okay, she still likes Shirou, um, perhaps more than she should given they're siblings, but overall, she's a happy kid.

I don't know enough about the two maids of hers, but it occurs to me that their presence is a mix between taking care of her financially, legally, and physically - I guess even as a mage, going through customs looking like a 12 year old kid would probably cause problems - but also they're both pseudo-guardians and pseudo-jailors. Ilya doesn't get to run away from this war if she were so inclined.

So. What does this mean for Ilya and Caster? Despite the grimness of the setting, I really hope that putting the two together would cause some healing on both sides eventually getting to the point where Ilya would have a parental figure that's concerned with her personally - i.e. not as a vessel, not as a mage from a prominent mage family, etc. - and for Medea, some redemption / relief for her own actions with her children. Doesn't change the past, of course, but maybe it'll change the future for them.

 

[sigfried27]

The problem of saying that Ilya messes up and gets Caster is that a lot of preperation has been put into getting Herakles as opposed to anyone else. Plus, I don't think that there is any instance we know of where people using an artifact for their summoning has not given them the servant that they had planned for. The only "screw up" that we know of is Rin, and she was not aiming for any one particular hero so much as she was aiming for a class. Plus, as I recall, she accidentally had an artifact in her summoning, so she still got the servant that corresponded with her artifact.

In addition, this whole idea is assuming that Medea bothers to "stick things out" at all. She had no desire for a "wait and see" attitude with her first master, getting him to waste command spells as soon as possible and then killing him. Whose to say that she won't attempt to do something similar with Ilya, or some other plan to produce the same results.

Also, there is no guarantee that Ilya would hold any attachment to Caster. She holds an attachment to Berserker due to the fact that he was summoned early and the two of them were left alone out in the woods to survive and deepen their bond. Who is to say that a similar bond would form between Ilya and Caster or not.

 

[tjalorak]

The author says, of course.

The good thing is that Heracles and Medea are from roughly the same time period, which makes it slightly more likely for a mix up. Something they thought was Heracles' maybe turns out to be related to Medea.

As to the second, well, if that happened, that'd be interesting. I think it'd be fun to see how Ilya would handle an uncooperative Servant and end up gaining her respect. It wouldn't make sense to have Caster cooperative right away.

In fact, this answers to the third. Caster is summoned early and Ilya and Caster have to survive in the woods while Ilya possibly has to dodge being killed. Should add some spice to their wilderness sojourn.

 

[zeebee1]

That still leaves the question of who gets Berserker. The berserker class has to be summoned first. That's one of the rules.

 

[tjalorak]

That still leaves the question of who gets Berserker. The berserker class has to be summoned first. That's one of the rules.

Whoever the author wants.

Maybe one of the Clock Tower mages got impressed with the Berserker class from the last grail war and has the bright idea to summon Alexander (presumably the artifact that Waver uses is still around and falls back into the hands of the Clock Tower, caveat: I've only read 1.5 books of Fate/Zero) as a Berserker.

Hrm. I wonder if he still gets access to his divine bulls then if he's a Berserker. Probably... Heracles still had his semi-divine mojo going on.

 

[nick012000]

The Berserker from the 4th Holy Grail War was one of the Knights of the Round Table, if memory serves. The one that makes any weapon he weilds a Noble Phantasm.

 

[Elvarein]

Hes Lancelot if I remember correctly.

 

[toraneko]

You do.

 

[tjalorak]

You do.

How odd. I had guessed it was Mordred... So why does Lancelot not like Saber?

 

[sigfried27]

Eh, it's not really so much that Lancelot hates Saber so much as just Mad Enhancement at work. Lancelot and Saber got caught up in a turn of events that essentially turned them against each other unwillingly in their lifetime, and afterwards, Lancelot lost his mind due to guilt, and the fact that through it all, Arturia never really hated him or blamed him for anything.

 

[Elf]

That still leaves the question of who gets Berserker. The berserker class has to be summoned first. That's one of the rules.

That still leaves the question of who gets Berserker. The berserker class has to be summoned first. That's one of the rules.

Where on earth does that say that?

The Berserker class doesn't have to be summoned at all. Look at the Third War. There was no Berserker there and Berserker wasn't summoned first at all in the Fourth War.

The only three Classes that have to be summoned are the Knight Classes: Saber, Archer and Lancer.

After those three, everything else is fair game.

 

[toraneko]

1. There's almost no info available on the First or Second Heaven's Feel.

2. The Third was fraught with hax. The twin Edelfelt Sisters each summoned a Saber-class Servant (apparently only possible due to twinhood), and the Einzberns brought in Avenger. Shit that shouldn't have been possible was happening all over in that one. Don't use it as an example.

3. There was a Berserker in the Fourth HF - Lancelot du Lac. We just went over this.

 

[Avider]

Berserker wasn't summoned first at all in the Fourth War.

I missed that part at first too.

And, I don't remember any rules saying that the Berserker class has to be summoned first. Considering that a Berserker class isn't even needed...